Mengistu Haile Mariam Vs. MSB

[zingii]

Qabiliste waaxid.

[GENERAL_SNM]

Mengistu Haile Mariam
-Toppled an autocracy.
-Purged his political rivals by either jailing them or killing them.
-Yearned to be Soviet puppet.
-Human rights violator.
-Nationalized majority of the industries, businesses etc
-Toppled and ended up in Harare, Zimbabwe.

Siad Barre
-Toppled a democratic government.
-Purged his political rivals by either jailing them or killing them.
-Yearned to be a Western puppet.
-Human rights violator.
-Nationalized majority of the industries, businesses etc.
-Toppled and ended up in Lagos, Nigeria.

SIad Barre and Mengistu Hailemariam are interchangeable. Different soldiers of the same struggle (Dictatorship).

How ever one swallowed his pride and left his country intact the other fought and destroyed somalia

[The_Patriot]

A/W,

All I know is that if you guys didn't kill because of qabiil we wouldn't have been in anarchy for the last 20 yrs...

Also, If I try to remember a group killing others because of tribe I would say yes I remember:

Your adeer and his militia attacked;

1. Murursade and killed and called it Kuwait war.
2. You attacked Abgal and killed 10 of thousands.
3. You attacked Hiiraan and occopied months killing.
4. You attacked and killed tens and thousands of Raxanweyn.
5. You attacked Galkacyo and killed Cumar Maxamuud elders.

Yes you folks killed and killed and killed...if that will make you somebody

you simply are the most sick and morally depraved person on this dump. and you're an old habar.

insha'allah you'll be raised with the sick and murderous and traitorous dictator you worship and love

Stupid shegatoo the girl is simply stating events that did occur in history and if you have objections, state them rather than becoming a HG PR.

[The_Patriot]

Mengistu Pros killed as many Amhara aristocrats as his hands could lay upon
cons perpertrated henious crimes in Ogadenia and settled Amharas in our regions

Siyad Bare Pros Saving Somalia in late 1960's from a possible civil war.
Cons Initiating the Ogaden war and aborting it without consultation from his advisors.

[luis1]

What about Gral Ochoa?

He changed the history of Somalia forever.

[BODHI]

kambuli,

you're sick with tribalism. considering your advanced age, i doubt there is any hope for you. the least we can pray and hope for is that you don't poison the hearts and minds of the next generations with your venomous cuqdad, hatred and sickness.

HG have had both their good and bad in the last 20yrs. no one is denying this because - beside the prophets (when it comes to matters concerning the deen) - no one or nothing is mistake free from the creation. every clan has committed unimaginable atrocities and abuses against innocent somalis in the last 20yrs. but the noble sacrifice made by the religious and business leaders of the HG clan during the last 20yrs for the sake of allah's deen and unity among all somalis has no equal in the history of the somali race. compare that to what the repressive marxist regime did...its demolishing of the deen and prosecutions and killings of the truthful ulema, the countless massacres and clan abuses, the betrayal of ogaden somalis in 1974 for the sake of international marxism and the again betraying them in 1988 by exchanging our islamic and somali rights to ogaden for few more years in power, the stoking of clan hatred and fitnah among somalis for another few more years in power..etc.

p.s. i'm not HG, you sick habar. and this further illustrates your sickness.

BULLSHIT RELIGION SO TELL ME WHY ARE THE ISLAMISTS FIGHTING EACH OTHER, KILLING WOMEN AND CHILDREN, FIGHTING DURING THE MONTH OF RAMADAN ARE YOU f-king SERIOUS YOU REALLY MUST BE BLIND SIAD BARRE WAS BAD BUT THE ISLAMISTS TODAY ARE WAY WORSE THEY ARE SAVAGES WHICH THE HOTTEST HELL IS WHERE THEY BELONG

[rabanam]

What about Gral Ochoa?

Isn't that the drug dealer who was sentenced to death?

[luis1]

Those were false charges,but the impoortant issue here is Gral Ochoa defeated Somali Army in 1978.

Can anyone deny that Cuba and Ochoa defeated Somalia in 1978?

I want to see proofs of the somali victory in 1978

[rabanam]

Those were false charges,but the impoortant issue here is Gral Ochoa defeated Somali Army in 1978.

Can anyone deny that Cuba and Ochoa defeated Somalia in 1978?

I want to see proofs of the somali victory in 1978

Proof:

The Somali Army crushed and defeated the Cuban troops helping Ethiopia in 1978.

Source: http://www.wikipedia.org/SomaliArmyvsCubanTroops1978

[Real_1]

I sometimes laugh at you people here you lot are so stupid or unbelievbly qabilist you say Megistu left ethiopia intact? lol how did he leave Ethiopia intact his forces resisted the TPLF/EPRDF rebels for a atleast a decade and he was finally defeated so he went into exile the only difference is the Ethiopian people are more intelligent and humane than average Hutu or Iidoor they thought about the long term future of their country and CHOSE not to have a civil war thats why they told Mengistu to flee the country Amensty International say Mengistu the architect of "Red Terror" executed 500,000 Ethiopians thats equvilent to the whole Issaq clan be grateful you scum had Siyad Barre AUN and not Mengistu

[luis1]

Rabanam,look at this

Wikipedia says this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War#cite_note-1

The expected Ethiopian-Cuban attack occurred in early February. However, it was accompanied by a second attack that the Somalis were not expecting. A column of Ethiopian and Cuban troops crossed northeast into the highlands between Jijiga and the border with Somalia, bypassing the SNA-WSLF force defending the Marda Pass. The attackers were thus able to assault from two directions in a "pincer" action, allowing the re-capturing of Jijiga in only two days while killing 3,000 defenders. The Somali defense collapsed and every major Ethiopian town was recaptured in the following weeks. Recognizing that his position was untenable, Siad Barre ordered the SNA to retreat back into Somalia on 9 March 1978. The last significant Somali unit left Ethiopia on 15 March 1978, marking the end of the war.

[luis1]

rabanam,I can not see your web,there is not anything there.

Show me what it says about Ogaden War.

[rabanam]

luis1, according to this Wikipedia link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogaden_War

These are the casualties of the war:

Somalia: 6,453 killed, 2,409 wounded

Ethiopia: 6,133 killed, 10,563 wounded

Cuba: 400 killed

USSR: 33 killed

The score is 6566 Ethiopian/Cuban/Russian killed vs. 6,453 Somalis killed. Far more Ethiopians were wounded. Far more Ethiopian/Cuban/Russian tanks, APCs and vehicles were destroyed in the war. So, the numbers clearly show Somalia won, and Ethiopia/Cuba/Russia lost. There you got the proof.

[luis1]

That is false,Wikipedia says this:

The expected Ethiopian-Cuban attack occurred in early February. However, it was accompanied by a second attack that the Somalis were not expecting. A column of Ethiopian and Cuban troops crossed northeast into the highlands between Jijiga and the border with Somalia, bypassing the SNA-WSLF force defending the Marda Pass. The attackers were thus able to assault from two directions in a "pincer" action, allowing the re-capturing of Jijiga in only two days while killing 3,000 defenders. The Somali defense collapsed and every major Ethiopian town was recaptured in the following weeks. Recognizing that his position was untenable, Siad Barre ordered the SNA to retreat back into Somalia on 9 March 1978. The last significant Somali unit left Ethiopia on 15 March 1978, marking the end of the war.

Effects of the war
Following the withdrawal of the SNA, the WSLF continued their insurgency. By May 1980, the rebels, with the assistance of a small number of SNA soldiers who continued to help the guerilla war, controlled a substantial region of the Ogaden. However by 1981 the insurgents were reduced to sporadic hit-and-run attacks and were finally defeated.

This is a somali defeat,Somali Army and WSLF were defeated.

The Ogaden War weakened the Somali military. Almost one-third of the regular SNA soldiers, three-eighths of the armored units and half of the Somali Air Force (SAF) were lost

Somalia lost 1/2 Aircraft and 3/4 Armored units,huge casualties and at the end Somalia and WSLF were expelled and destroyed by cubans and ethiopians,please read the article.

[rabanam]

luis1, Wikipedia isn't false, and your argument is weak. Two parts fought. One part suffered more losses; Ethiopia/Cuba/Russia. The other part suffered less losses; Somalia. Therefore, Somalia won.