Can Shiites be called Muslims?

[LobsterUnit]

At least gajounit you are reasonable person!

how about the rest what is your take about what a muslim is?

May Iask: what is the point you are trying to make? I mean, the definition is generally correct, but a person can still be a kafir even if acknowledges Allah,and his prophet, fasts, prays and goes to Hajj. So the problem is with the application and not the definition.

[djibsomali]

the definition is not generaly correct!
But to my knowledge is absolutly corect and if you have any different definition please let us know.

The reason is once one knows what a muslim is then you can say who is what!

[LobsterUnit]

We can go around semantics and linguistics all day. But the fact of the matter is that some Shias are kufar. Can you refute this or will you keep talking about definitions, which you are not willing share yourself?

[djibsomali]

do you dissagree on how Allah have defined who is a muslim??

[LobsterUnit]

Brother why are we going around in circles? You still haven't shared this definition that you are referring to. I believe that some Shia groups are not Muslims and hence do not fit the definition of a Muslim. I have enough evidence for this, but can you please bring forth your definition of a Muslim and how Shias fit this? You believe it is wrong to label some Shias as non muslims, right?

[djibsomali]

Do you selectively read around here?
cause how can you miss my agreement with black velvet definition of what a Muslim is (basically a kindergarden koranic school definition).

[muslim-man]

Can someone explain to me what is the little stone they lay infront of them while performing salat? i have only one shia performing salat in life and he had that little dhagax infront of him and carried with him all the time.

Another question, are ahmadiya muslims?? They are sunni in everything esle. where we differ is, they firmly believe the awaited imam is already here with us. pakistan buu ka so baxay 80 sano ka hor or somethung to that effect

[muslim-man]

[quote="djibsomali"]Do you selectively read around here?
cause how can you miss my agreement with [b]black velvet definition[/b] of what [b]a Muslim is[/b] (basically a kindergarden koranic school definition).[/quote]


From what i read, there is no diffferenec between blackvelvet's defination of what a muslim is and abdi's one

[djibsomali]

Do you selectively read around here?
cause how can you miss my agreement with black velvet definition of what a Muslim is (basically a kindergarden koranic school definition).

From what i read, there is no diffferenec between blackvelvet's defination of what a muslim is and abdi's one

Jaw
there is no difference kuyeeh!
waar aaf ingiriskaa maad agridaa hortaa?

Are you a muslim yourself?

[muslim-man]

Waa mid muran meesha lasoo shirtagtey

[LobsterUnit]

Do you selectively read around here?
cause how can you miss my agreement with black velvet definition of what a Muslim is (basically a kindergarden koranic school definition).

Dee why don't you just say that before? You have a tendency to be very ambigious and somewhat aloof. So you basically agree with blackvelvet, that it is wrong to call some SHias kufar and that they are all Muslims because they believe in Allah and his prophet? Answer this simple question without responding with your own question and then we take it from there.



Muslim man, Ahmadiya are kufar because they believe there was a messenger after the prophet. All of the Sunnis are agreed upon this.

[muslim-man]

Gaajo,

Subaxaanallah

These pple pray five times a day like us. wey duceystaan, weyna sooman. all their work is in futile?

[Padishah]

If you're sincere about knowing what Shi'a believe, and whether they can be considered Muslim or not, I would suggest finding a Shi'a who is willing to answer your questions. Posting anti-Shi'i polemics on a forum and asking a bunch of non-Shi'i to pass judgement on their Islam smacks of nothing more than partisan hatred.

[sheldibow]

Shiites are Muslims despite their bidca behavior ... still they are Muslims

[sheldibow]

If Al shabab and Sheydan Hassan Aweys are muslims then why not Shiites? Shiites they dont kill civilian population ... "la taktiluu nafsan alatii xarama lahu calykum ilaa bil XAQ" that means you can kill innocent people and call yourself Muslim .

Yes Shiites are Muslims