UN Food Aid Program Stopped due to Shabab

[L@fweyne]

"I don't think surrender would have said that if this was puntland region instead of the south."

[GENERAL_SNM]

Excellent development. Somali people in general need to understand that handouts are a form of control whether in the west through welfare agencies or in Somalia proper through the UN and its offshots. Kick them out and farm or die trying take control of your destiny.

[James Dahl]

On this topic we have Emperior, Abdiwahab, a White guy and a lesbian as the only people disagreeing with this positive step. Reeks of their agenda, they can't even pretend to be this stupid to believe UNAid is in any way positive.

Where did I say I agree with food aid? I said farming isn't as easy as Nomad makes it out to be

[James Dahl]

To be fair though, large scale agriculture isn't something you can just start today to feed yourself tomorrow, it takes a year worth of work for a crop that can feed people.

People will starve in the meantime.

Also, conflict and insecurity like there are today make farming difficult and often unviable. Crops are vulnerable.

Also people with no land of their own, such as IDPs, cannot grow crops, so they will simply starve.

As Abdiwahab252 said, this will lead to great suffering.

[michael_ital]

With all due respect, whether or not you consider it 'easy', agriculture does not need anything other than common sense and basic science to excel in (most of which is already present in Somalia). I don't think giving free land to the Mushunguli is a more practical solution than making widespread a few simple techniques necessary to begin food production, but the information required to begin growing food and maintaining a plot of land is rudimentary.

Subsistence farming is probably the simplest thing known to man, there's a reason why it's always been a staple among the uneducated. The knowledge gained in specialist schools, etc. is not what the average geeljire who's hit hard times needs to know.

You're such a f-king idiot. Growing a few f-king tomato's to sustain yourself, is totally f-king different from feeding millions. Then you have to have MANY people to first actually grow and then harvest that large a crop. In the maentime, THEY NEED FOOD AID! Like it or not. You're such a stupid f-king loser. Your pomposity and arrogance know no bounds. And coming from such a keyboard warrior simp, it's especially galling.

[michael_ital]

People, let me reiterate. It's commendable that y'all are maintaining such a positive outlook. I understand. But there's a serious war being waged right now by men who believe they're right. So people are starving. At this point in time, these people NEED aid. I dont know how much more obvious it can be. But it's mighty convenient to be so self righteous with a full belly.

[Firewall]

this is gods way of helping somalia

all the undesirable ppl (bantus, cad cads, hawiye, sabs, boon etc) will starve to death

gives us a fresh new start

i want my new house to be built in dinsoor

[Sanbalolshe]

On this topic we have Emperior, Abdiwahab, a White guy and a lesbian as the only people disagreeing with this positive step. Reeks of their agenda, they can't even pretend to be this stupid to believe UNAid is in any way positive.

, But this is a difficult time sxb, how are these people going to survive now? I mean while the crops are growing?

[michael_ital]

E-f-king-Ritrea

Eri-f-king-Trea dude, it's Eri-f-king-Trea.

Nah, mate. It don't roll off th' tongue as well. Say it: Efuckingritrea.

[Voltage]

People, let me reiterate. It's commendable that y'all are maintaining such a positive outlook. I understand. But there's a serious war being waged right now by men who believe they're right. So people are starving. At this point in time, these people NEED aid. I dont know how much more obvious it can be. But it's mighty convenient to be so self righteous with a full belly.

Somalia is a nation of 7-8 million (official estimates) and a good chunk are already out. Another good number have ditched nomadism for sedentary living which has changed the social situation and makes previously disdained occupations such as "farming" now look more favorable. Add that Somalia for such a small nation gets a Billion dollars in remittance money every year and also add that because of our "clan structure" people rarely suffer alone, they are almost always taken in by relatives if in need (one of the more positive attributes).

All these factors show why it is possible for Somalis start becoming self-reliant and not suffer in the duration as you presume.

[xamd]

People, let me reiterate. It's commendable that y'all are maintaining such a positive outlook. I understand. But there's a serious war being waged right now by men who believe they're right. So people are starving. At this point in time, these people NEED aid. I dont know how much more obvious it can be. But it's mighty convenient to be so self righteous with a full belly.

Somalia is a nation of 7-8 million (official estimates) and a good chunk are already out. Another good number have ditched nomadism for sedentary living which has changed the social situation and makes previously disdained occupations such as "farming" now look more favorable. Add that Somalia for such a small nation gets a Billion dollars in remittance money every year and also add that because of our "clan structure" people rarely suffer alone, they are almost always taken in by relatives if in need (one of the more positive attributes).

All these factors show why it is possible for Somalis start becoming self-reliant and not suffer in the duration as you presume.

This is spot on. our famine now is due to these crippling food aid programs. if 1 out of 20 people or even 50 people farmed there would have enough cheap found around that would be sufficient for all. but what do these programs do? The day the farmers harvest their crops and try to earn a living from their work by selling it in the market is the day they dump tons of free food into our country. the small farmer sustains huge losses and resolves never to farm again. when you help someone you help them in a way that they will no longer need your help not in a way that makes them dependent on you. Ahlu Sunna wal jama'a should follow suit to this action and encourage their people to farm. having all the food aid programs kicked out by al-shabaab come to their local will only cripple the people in the region in the long run. this is also the very same reason why ethiopia is in perpetual poverty. Is there any other country that has as much ads for food aid as ethiopia? and yet they are worse than somalis almost always.

[paidmonk]

The people on this topic arguing for food aid in Somalia have a track record of cheerleading anarchy, have never been there, or have proven to know less than a toddler about the country itself. Before arguing further, assess the counter-argument and its supporters, time need not be wasted on them.

On Food Aid and foreign aid in general, any African with a working brain will tell you its the #1 (often-hidden) factor in the continent's economic and political downturn. Food aid tops the list in destructive economic aid in the continent. Africa is far worse off with aid programs according to leading economist Dr. Dambisa Moyo. Just look at the continent from 1960 to now...more aid has only meant less growth.

Food aid in Somalia is a bought and sold marketplace commodity in the first place, its not charity medicine. The bags are unloaded at major ports by businessmen and sold in stores. You think Somalis grow their own sugar and wheat that they sell in those outdoor markets? What then is the motivation for Somalia's farming community? This is what food aid looks like, not that gay shit that Geldof and Bono try to sell you.

[Somalian_Boqor]

This is one of the things I like about Al Shabaab. The Somali people are not Pigs that need to be feed day in and out, God has given them enough farming land to feed the whole horn. Fuck Food Aid we will grow our own shit!!!!

God only helps those willing to help themselves instead of waiting for others 24/7 for their own survival.

[AbdiWahab252]

Paidmonk,

And I suppose forcing agricultural self sufficiency in times of conflict in the breadbasket, poor rains, few farmers who have limited agricultural tools, a massive IDP problem makes sense ? You obviously can afford to be theoretical knowing that you are going to get 3 square meals a day yet you want someone back home to grow his/her own food even though she/he may have never planted any crops in their lifetime.

Lets see how well you can cope growing your own food starting today.

[Copy.&.Paste]

WHY ARE PEOPLE DISCUSSING WHY FOOD AID IS BAD? it's obvious it's bad

yes it's better not to have food aid because it cripples a country in the long run. Are people arguing against that? i don't see it . The concern is about the timing. Is this the right moment to have the food aid programs gone?
Was food aid present when IUC was running? That was a peaceful time to develope and kick out food aid agencies. there are people who agree with kicking them out at a time like this? This what we should be debating. APPROPRIATE TIMING

Just my 2 cents