Isaq

[The_Emperior5]

voltage but thats good but remmeber u made a topic like in 2009 begining u supported somaliland marki danbe na waad is bedeshay its some were dere waan xasuusta , marka dee beri na waad is bedeli doonta lolz

[Voltage]

voltage but thats good but remmeber u made a topic like in 2009 begining u supported somaliland marki danbe na waad is bedeshay its some were dere waan xasuusta , marka dee beri na waad is bedeli doonta lolz

That was a random troll. This time I am serious. You have made your case and I have absorbed it.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

If I ask you guys (sadeboi & voltage) why siyad barre and co staged a coup in 1969, your answers will both be that the government at that time was totally corrupt. So when you ask us (reer Sheikh Isxaaq) why we formed the SNM don't be suprised to hear us say the same reason; that siyad's government was totally corrupt.
Let's just look at the key issues of corruption in the government after 1977, even though this was common before this it was more obvious after the war:
1. By 1977 the government was in power for 8yrs, without an election what-so-ever
2. Resettling ogaden refugees in large numbers into hargeisa, burco etc and given them land for free
3. The formation of the infamous MOD
4. Promoting unqualified geeljires over more qualified due to them being a part of the MOD alliance
5. Arresting Isaaq abwaans, fanaans over anti-government songs
6. In general a dictatorship regime

[Cali_Gaab]

Voltage, get the fuck out of here with your bullshit!

[Somalistan]

For the first time I actually get the mentality that drives you. God speed our separation and may you be granted recognition right this second.

No worries we will never seek recogntion from people who don't have any significance in politics, namely the folks from Gedo region. It's the people from Somaliland, Puntland and Muqdisho who will sit down with to decide the fate of our two states. looool

[The_Emperior5]

For the first time I actually get the mentality that drives you. God speed our separation and may you be granted recognition right this second.

No worries we will never seek recogntion from people who don't have any significance in politics, namely the folks from Gedo region. It's the people from Somaliland, Puntland and Muqdisho who will sit down with to decide the fate of our two states. looool

[Somalistan]

Majerteens were the first to rebel against Siyad Barre government. Why don't you marexaar kids ask them also why they picked the guns against your late uncle afwayne?

[ToughGong]

The North was treated as an ordinary region in Somalia like Mudug or Benadir ignoring the fact that the North became independent state, taking independence on June 26, 1960, before the South, which became independent on July 1st, 1960, and that the North initiated the unification of the two newly independent countries in the Horn of Africa. The political betrayal and humiliation by the South angered the politicians, traditional leaders, intellectuals, business community as well as military officers of the North. This deep resentment influenced North-born young military officers, at the command of Hassan Kayd, to lead the unsuccessful military coup in Hargeisa on December 10, 1961 to reclaim independence and dignity of the North from the South-breached union. Instead of addressing the grievances that led to the Northern mutiny and starting national dialogue for reconciliation, president Aden Abdulle Osman immediately transferred South-born military to North and North-born military to South to suppress and repress Northern people socially and politically to punish them for the rightful military mutiny. The Southern troops turned Northern Regions into semi-colony with no freedom at all. Northern people were forced to travel to Mogadisho for school certificates (Even middle school certificates), passports, healthcare, business licenses etc.

In such situation of political deprivation and lack of investment in the North, General Siad Barre (South-born) overthrew the civilian government of the shaky union through bloodless coup on October 21, 1969 dissolving the constitution and the parliament immediately after the assassination of president Abdirasheed Ali Sharma`arke (South-born) on October 15, 1969. Many people believed that president Abdirasheed (1967-1969) was murdered for giving prime minister post to the North and that is why General Siad Barre toppled Egal`s two-year old government too (1967-1969). President Abdirasheed gave the prime minister to the North to control the damage inflicted on power-sharing by president Aden Abdulle Osman. General Siad Barre ruled Somalia for 21 years with iron-fist dictatorship (1969-1990) that curtailed all civil liberties. He continued the political deprivation and suppression of the North and strengthened the political domination of the South.

Worse than South-centered civilian governments, General Siad Barre grossly breached the agreement of the union which was shared between the North and the South only by making it a union shared by all Somalis in the five Somali-territories (Somaliwein) in the Horn of Africa. He gave special political and military privilege to the Ogaden tribe inhabiting in Western Somalia (Occupied by Ethiopia) and in Somalia Northeastern Region (Occupied by Kenya) thus adopting refugees as citizens and making citizens, especially those in the North, as second class citizens. General Bile Rafle, born in Somali Galbeed, became the governor of Hargeisa and Burao in the 1970s, and General Aden Gabyow, born in N.F.D, Kenya, became once the minister of defense of the then Republic of Somalia. These citizen-turned refugees widely participated in the atrocities and displacement of the central tribes in Somaliland (Isaaq Clan) during civil wars. Northern officials in South-owned governments were symbolic and powerless. Their posts were intended to mislead Northern public perception to believe in power-sharing that did not exist. If the Northern officials in the government had real power, they would prevent injustices and crimes committed against the North.

During the disastrous union, Darod and Hawiye clans dominated the government. Isaaq clan (The biggest clan in the North) was alienated throughout the union to eliminate political rivalry from North. It was also political hostility focus for challenging the hijacked union. The middle clans and the minorities were not in the radar of the political system of the union. Southern governments also practiced “divide and rule” policy in the North turning native clans against each other politically before the civil wars and finally arming them against each other during civil wars.

[Samatr]

I want a good reason for the creation of the SNM, something that sparked it, that was so unbearable you lot had to go to xabasho to destroy your country. What made those men want to fight against the regime. I have never came across an answer for this. Remember 1988 is when all the battles took place in Somalia, so you cannot say people were being killed and jailed, because the SNM was formed in 1982.

What was the reason the Isaq men in 1982 wanted to overthrow the country?

Who was the first to launch a military operation against the other? SNA or SNM?

Well for starters our own government was supplying Somali groups in Ethiopia to attack Isaaq civilians in galbeedka. Lets try that for starters.

[aka-peace-]

I want a good reason for the creation of the SNM

the reasons why the snm was created is self evident on this thread. All you have to do is to look at these peoples sense of identity, their political views, their version of history, their vision of the future, their loyalties and most of all their reasoning and you will have the reasons why the snm was created in a nutshell.

[SahanGalbeed]

Had your father asked himself that question , had your clansmen thought about it , maybe today history would have been different . It is always somebody else' fault with these guys

[Voltage]

I want a good reason for the creation of the SNM

the reasons why the snm was created is self evident on this thread. All you have to do is to look at these peoples sense of identity, their political views, their version of history, their vision of the future, their loyalties and most of all their reasoning and you will have the reasons why the snm was created in a nutshell.

These people must be supported in separating. It is a disservice to us and to them to still be married. There is no need for negotiations ama in lays baryo. Negotiations means you still have some interests towards each other and I think a quick I agree to your separation and I will be the first to recognize you is the best route.

[hargaysaay]

voltage you cant steel believe siyaad bare is gone sax, sxb odaygaasi wuu quustay wuuna hoyday ilaahay baanu magan u yahay ee intaad xabiibi soo caga maydhatidid eed yaroo dhalatay iska seexo

[The_Emperior5]

Majerteens were the first to rebel against Siyad Barre government. Why don't you marexaar kids ask them also why they picked the guns against your late uncle afwayne?

Because we were the real threat
I remmeber siyaad barre Askin his wasiirs A trick Question
isaaq ma qabil ba mise qarran?
And they used to say wa qabil
Markasu intu indhaha qabsado Maya wa qarran

[hargaysaay]

voltage mareexaan waa dad wanaagsan walaahi, they are a people that you can live with one time I want to visit gedo inshaalaah