Are Shabaab the best option of uniting Somalia?

[nomadicwarlord]

Using extremism to unite Somalis, that is comical. Once they move up North, an intervention by outside forces will be certain.

Which will surely happen but by then a "precedent" will have already been formed which is a united Somalia, post-civil war.

That's true but that united Somalia you are speaking of will be fragile as ever. Another deadly civil war will ensue fueled by groups that were purged by Al-Shabaab. Not to mention the outside forces that will continue to divide the country. We are doomed

[Somalian_Boqor]

Voltage has a valid point, I was actually having the same discussion with a group of friends on Friday. I personally always thought I would never be the one seeing Al Shabaab in a new light but I have.

At the end of the day, the Somali people have one problem, that is preventing them from making any progress, and that is Clan Politics which is the root cause of the destruction of our society. So one has to ask him or herself, what is the purpose of obtaining Peace, if the actual problem isn't resolved? The TFG is based on 4.5 formula and respects the Clan structure of Somalia, Puntland and Somaliland are Clan states that practice Clan Politics. al sunna waljamaca are clan Militia, who are trying to gain political weight under the banner of their Islamic sect they adore to. As one can see all of these Political entities are only diving forces who are actually part of the problem facing our people and can never unit Somalis as a whole.

Now Al Shabaab with their many faults, is exactly what Somalia needs today. Strong leadership that doesn't take orders from anyone except their amirs, who don't fear or adore western values, and a leadership that doesn't need to travel to Addis ababa on a monthly bases and told how to run or govern their people. Al Shabaab is political group who are alien to the clan politics. Their brutal force will reconstruct the nomadic Somali who only knows beesha. I believe an expanded Al Shabaab, will not be the same as the Al Shabaab that exists today. The more people and regions that come under this uniting force, the better Somalia will be, and Al Shabaab itself can and will be reshaped in a positive matter that all can agree with.

So going back to Voltage's question "Are Shabaab the best option of uniting Somalia? They are beyond the best option, but rather the almost perfect Political entity that was sent from above to save Somalia, and lead it glory.

Allah swt has said fear me and only me and I shall make you victorious.

[LobsterUnit]

Somaliboqor in the bag.

[Paddington Bear]

The title of the thread sounds reasonable but then Voltage (like always) vomits all over a good initial idea with his ifs and buts.
Nope. Al Shabab are not going to unite Somalia.

[king of kismayo]

isn`t that what we though of Sharif afgadud few years ago...and look where he got us.

somalia will never have peace without the extermination of the parasite called hawiye.
I think its time for the inevitable solution which is ..separation from the agent anarchy called hawiye clan

jubaland+somaliland+puntland+ greater raxanwaynland

[Megatron]

quote S-B "Their brutal force will reconstruct the nomadic Somali who only knows beesha. I believe an expanded Al Shabaab, will not be the same as the Al Shabaab that exists today. The more people and regions that come under this uniting force, the better Somalia will be, and Al Shabaab itself can and will be reshaped in a positive matter that all can agree with."

LoooooL@ "brutal force" Shows how little you know about your own people. They will NEVER succumb to the Neanderthal tactics of these terrorists. "Brutal force" has been tried before, with limited success. In fact, all it got Afweyne, was a midnight escape from Somalia, to die on a toilet in a foreign country. No son, the only solution is good ol' Democracy.

[udun]

Voltage has a valid point, I was actually having the same discussion with a group of friends on Friday. I personally always thought I would never be the one seeing Al Shabaab in a new light but I have.

At the end of the day, the Somali people have one problem, that is preventing them from making any progress, and that is Clan Politics which is the root cause of the destruction of our society. So one has to ask him or herself, what is the purpose of obtaining Peace, if the actual problem isn't resolved? The TFG is based on 4.5 formula and respects the Clan structure of Somalia, Puntland and Somaliland are Clan states that practice Clan Politics. al sunna waljamaca are clan Militia, who are trying to gain political weight under the banner of their Islamic sect they adore to. As one can see all of these Political entities are only diving forces who are actually part of the problem facing our people and can never unit Somalis as a whole.

Now Al Shabaab with their many faults, is exactly what Somalia needs today. Strong leadership that doesn't take orders from anyone except their amirs, who don't fear or adore western values, and a leadership that doesn't need to travel to Addis ababa on a monthly bases and told how to run or govern their people. Al Shabaab is political group who are alien to the clan politics. Their brutal force will reconstruct the nomadic Somali who only knows beesha. I believe an expanded Al Shabaab, will not be the same as the Al Shabaab that exists today. The more people and regions that come under this uniting force, the better Somalia will be, and Al Shabaab itself can and will be reshaped in a positive matter that all can agree with.

So going back to Voltage's question "Are Shabaab the best option of uniting Somalia? They are beyond the best option, but rather the almost perfect Political entity that was sent from above to save Somalia, and lead it glory.

Allah swt has said fear me and only me and I shall make you victorious.

Well Said Somalian Boqor.

[garowegal]

Some people are delusional what makes you think that the world will stand by and let Al-Shabaab take over the North its simply against the interests of our neighbors in the Horn and surely against the interests of the West. Just as Amy pointed out what will stop Al-Shabaab from marching towards Djibouti or the Somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia? They have no feasible goals and have contributed to making Somalia a Pariah State. Al-Shabaab cannot march towards Puntland or Somalia because in all honesty Somalia is just going to get invaded again and this time Ethiopia might never leave. At end of the day Somalis have no one to blame for their predicament except for their selves! you guys have failed to united your people.

[Somalian_Boqor]

Some people are delusional what makes you think that the world will stand by and let Al-Shabaab take over the North its simply against the interests of our neighbors in the Horn and surely against the interests of the West. Just as Amy pointed out what will stop Al-Shabaab from marching towards Djibouti or the Somali regions in Kenya and Ethiopia? They have no feasible goals and have contributed to making Somalia a Pariah State. Al-Shabaab cannot march towards Puntland or Somalia because in all honesty Somalia is just going to get invaded again and this time Ethiopia might never leave. At end of the day Somalis have no one to blame for their predicament except for their selves! you guys have failed to united your people.

I think you have went beyond the question posted by Voltage.