Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu anh)

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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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ruralman08,

the strongest opinion, the one backed by the most solid daleel, is that ali (ra) gave his bayah not once but twice to abu abakr - the day after the shura and again after the death of fatima (ra). there others - the minority - who're of the opinion that he gave bayah to abu bakr after the death of fatima (ra) (due to different reasons and among them being the inheritance issue, out of respect for his wife). but there's ijma on this: ali never doubted the the legitimacy of the khalifa of abu bakr and he never withhold recognition from it. and further more, there's a major difference between recognition and bayah/allegiance.
Reports differ about the timing of 'Ali's oath of allegiance to Abu Bakr. Hafiz Abu Bakr al-Baihaqi relates on the authority of Abu Sa'eed al-Khudri: 'Abu Bakr ascended the pulpit and cast a glance on the people. He did not find 'Ali among them. So he sent for 'Ali and said, "O brother and son-in-law of the Prophet, would you like that the unity among Muslims should be torn to pieces ?" 'Ali replied, "I have no grudge or complaint, O Caliph, of the Prophet." He immediately swore allegiance to him. Al-Baihaqi adds that 'Ali uttered these words or this was their purport.

Ibn Kathir adds : 'A significant aspect of this affair is that 'Ali took the oath of allegiance on the very first day or the day following the death of the Prophet. This is correct in point of fact since 'Ali never gave up Abu Bakr's companionship nor he absented himself in any congregational prayer. '

It is commonly believed that 'Ali did not initially take the oath of fealty to Abu Bakr in deference to the wishes and sentiments of Fatima. He took the oath publicly six months later when Fatima had died. Ibn Kathir and other historians are of the view that the subsequent oath of allegiance by 'Ali was in confirmation of the first one. A number of reports to this effect are on record in the six authentic compilations of the Traditions [Hadiths] and other books.
but the problem with you, i suspect, is that you're shia or a sufi. and lets be honest, shias and sufis are brain-dead jahils. for them, the only to respect someone is to worship them. respect = worship. so i suspect you made this slanderous thread against the one whom allah swt is pleased with because you don't see anyone worshiping ali and his household on this forum - besides djibsomali and maybe hutuking - and mistook this as being disrespectful towards ali and his household. and allah knows best.
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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lmaooooo typical brain dead imbecile. does elevating the status of Ali (ra) automatically mean that you hate Abu Bakr (ra)..

your mentality is flawed and your judgement is weak :down:
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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RuralMan

Do u have any hadiths that Uthman has narrated?
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Shirib wrote:RuralMan

Do u have any hadiths that Uthman has narrated?
In Sahih al Bukhari you will find it in the Book of the Tafdheel u Sahaba :up:
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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RuralMan08 wrote:
Shirib wrote:RuralMan

Do u have any hadiths that Uthman has narrated?
In Sahih al Bukhari you will find it in the Book of the Tafdheel u Sahaba :up:
So in there they have narrations by Uthman, and not by Ali?
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Shirib wrote:
RuralMan08 wrote:
Shirib wrote:RuralMan

Do u have any hadiths that Uthman has narrated?
In Sahih al Bukhari you will find it in the Book of the Tafdheel u Sahaba :up:
So in there they have narrations by Uthman, and not by Ali?
ofcourse you will find narrations by Ali (ra) but compared to others its few. Allahu aclam i dont want to get sin for this so I let you research it and see for yourself.

p.s Sahih al Bukhari is the most authentic book after the Qur'an :up:
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Ok so are u arguing that, Muslims intentionally took out hadiths that Ali r.a narrated in order to discredit or disrespect him?
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What a useless disscussion :down:
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Shirib wrote:Ok so are u arguing that, Muslims intentionally took out hadiths that Ali r.a narrated in order to discredit or disrespect him?
that is the accusation some ppl have brought forth!
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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This thread illustrates that somalis are becoming supporters of the purified ahlul bayt :up:
May Allah increase our numbers and curse our enemies.
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HutuKing01 wrote:This thread illustrates that somalis are becoming supporters of the purified ahlul bayt :up:
May Allah increase our numbers and curse our enemies.
Amiin to that
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Shirib wrote:RuralMan

Do u have any hadiths that Uthman has narrated?
War niyo there is houndreds of thousands of hadith out there, and your seriously asking people on s'net whether so and so narrated a hadith? c'mon think man.
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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djibsomali wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:This thread illustrates that somalis are becoming supporters of the purified ahlul bayt :up:
May Allah increase our numbers and curse our enemies.
Amiin to that

You may go to hell with them :up:
a supporter of alshabaab is also nasibi
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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HutuKing01 wrote:
djibsomali wrote:
HutuKing01 wrote:This thread illustrates that somalis are becoming supporters of the purified ahlul bayt :up:
May Allah increase our numbers and curse our enemies.
Amiin to that

You may go to hell with them :up:
a supporter of alshabaab is also nasibi
don't be selective yaa donkey
wabaa kuu ducayay
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Re: Muslims disrespect the holy name of Ali (radhi Allahu an

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HutuKing01 wrote:Imam Ali r.a and some of his supporters did believe that he had more right to the caliphate than abu bakr siddiq ra . However i love Ali r.a but on this i have to disagree with him becuase iam of the opinion that abu bakr siddiq ra umar ra and uthman ra were better yet after them muawiya ra had no right to rebel against amirul mumineen of that time . He was wrong while Ali ra was right. Muawiya's group invited ammaar ibn yasir to the fire while he invited them to jannah.
i agree whit, problem whit in islam started actually after uthmaans(rc) died, cali bin abii daalib (rc) was rightfully khaliiif(madaxweyne) and rebellion of mucaawiya started what WE known today wtch's different between sunnah and shia.
mucaawiya rebelld ali becouse uthmaaan bin cafaaan was from UMAYAD family therefore mucaawiya action was motivated pure qabiiilisim and power hunger to keep umayadiin power no matter what.


Today its saudi wahhabism who desrespect ali bin abii daaalib because they are side of mucaawiya who hade no righte to claime the caliphates. and mucaawiya was wrong .

the problem started between CALI AND MUCAAWIYA when mucaawiya took control of shaaam(today syria) wich was the center of islamic Empire , in that time and cali bin abii daalibb(rc) was in control NAJAD which was maka and madiina.

later power struggle of umayad qabiil which was MUCAAWIYA resulted death of GRANSON of prophet maxamed scw hussein, xuseen was killed by YAZIID SON of mucaawiya, the only reason which he killed xuseen was that huseeen woul not claime the khaliiif, not only xuseen was killed even hes children was murdared by yaziiid ibn mucaawiya.

thats were shicisim begun and khilaaafka ka dhaxeeya sunnah and shia meeshaas ka bilaawdey.

shia extremist markii ay arkeen SUNNAH extremist xaqiraada ay xaqiraaan cali ibny daalib rc iyo inaysan canbaareyn dilkii xuseen ayey shiicada bilaabeen xitaa abuu bakar rc and cumar uthmaan RC inay wax ka sheegaan, laakiiin khilaaafka shaqo kuma laheeyn abuubakar ,omar and uthmaan, khilaafka waxaa bilaabey QABIILKA umayad LA YIRAAHDO ee sida xooga ku qabsadey xukunkii islaamka laga bilaaabo MUCAAWIYA IBN ABU SUFYAAAN, lagu xijiyo yaziid ibn mucaawiya

after mucaaawiya islaamkii wuxuuba noqdey qabiiil controlled Empire which was called umayyad dynasty ama umayyad caliphate

xasuus gaar ah:-

MADHABTA SHAACIFIYADA EE SOOMALIDA AY YIHIIN 100% BEFORE WAHAABIS COME TO SOMALIA waxay aqoonsan tahay xaqdarada lagu sameeyey CALI BIN ABII DAALIB, WAXAYNA CANBAAREEYEEN yaziid ibn mucaawiya oo ahaa WARLORD,GACAN KU DHIIGLE MOORYAAN AH, laakiin WAHAABIYADA AYAA OGOLEEYN in la canbaareeyo YAZIIID IYO MUCAAAWIYA WAXAYNA KA DHIGAAN niman NABIYAAL AH OO AAN WAXBA LAGA SHEEGI KARIN.

SHIICADA EXTREMISTYAASHA AH JAAHILIINTA AHNA IYAGA WAXAY CIIL DARTIIS WAX KA SHEEGAAN ABUU BAKAR ILAAA UTHMAAN TAAASNA 1000% WAA KU QALDAN YIHIIN WAAYO ABUUBAKAR (RC) CUMAR(RC) AND UTHMAANA(RC) SHAQO KUMA LAHEEYN DHIBAATADII KU DHACDEY KHALIIIF CALI BIN ABII DAALIN(RC) WAAYO IYAGU DUNIDA MABA JOOGIN MARKUU MUCAAWIYA IYO WIILKIISA YAZIIID AY BILAABEEN DHIBAATADA IYO QILAAFKA ISLAAMKA DHEXDIISA AH.

SHIIACADA TAAS AYEY KU QALDAMEEN INAY WAX KA SHEEGAAAN ABUUBAKAR CUMAR AND UTHMAAAN RC
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