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Shirib wrote:Nobleman,

My initial post about Saudi making it a business might be more towards the local companies, restaurants etc. that are profiting a lot and no the Saudi government per se. But the government pretty much mandates that u get a hajj package to go which are given to private companies, which is a business model and this didn't always used to be the case.

Yeah no doubt hajj has become a big private enterprise. The government has to ensure travel operators as they act as custodians for the millions of people that come every year. Without tour operators it would become impossible for the saudis to protect its borders. Even with tour operators millions over stay.

They way it works is:

UK/US tour operators has a saudi kafil (guardian). Saudi Kafil underwrites the risk for all the people that come to hajj via his associated tour operator from the UK/US, by co signing the visa for them. As the kafil is taking a risk, as he is personally responsible for all the individuals he expects a big reward. This is where the profit kicks in. The saudi kafil is not any saudi citizen, but usually a big business man that can vouch for that many people and has the authority to do so.

Without the tour operators it would be borderline impossible for the saudis to protect their borders.

ES

The main things at hajj are all the same regardless of what delegation, u do your thawaf, safa and marwa, carafa etc. All that is the same. Now the difference in the delegation is again based on money. The people with more money can do more things.

It is funny to see how all non-practicing 'muslims' who will never voluntarily set foot in Mecca complaining about this and trying to create a controversy around it.

*Nobleman* wrote:

Leila25 wrote:

waan gartay.
ok sxb bal please explain to me how in any shape and form this action is acceptable in islam or even in non islamic way.
even hindus who have caste system bath together in the dirty waters of the ganges

People are excluded from using one small service for a matter of a few weeks, how does that accounts to discrimination.

soaccording to your reasoning, if all non whites were ecluded from using the metro sytem for couple weeks it would not amount to discrimination
you have lost your moral compass sxb

Enlightened~Sista wrote:

*Nobleman* wrote:


People are excluded from using one small service for a matter of a few weeks, how does that accounts to discrimination.

They can't access many government services..there are hospitals/clinics only for Saudis for instance.Even if you live next to it you can't go to it even in the case of an emergency.

I dont know about emergency circumstances, I need some sort of source for that. But then again foreign citizens are not allowed to legally use the NHS, point being no country can cater for every non citizen in their country, theres no endless money pit or charity. Just like in any country, citizens come first.

soaccording to your reasoning, if all non whites were ecluded from using the metro sytem for couple weeks it would not amount to discrimination
you have lost your moral compass sxb :down

No your going a bit too far. Restricting non whites amounts to racism, allowing only gulf nationals to use it first is not racism. I wouldnt even argue its positive discrimination, just a method they use to regulate the service until it gets to full capacity.

I am not happy about it but Ciid wanaagsan.

*Nobleman* wrote:
I dont know about emergency circumstances, I need some sort of source for that. But then again foreign citizens are not allowed to legally use the NHS, point being no country can cater for every non citizen in their country, theres no endless money pit or charity. Just like in any country, citizens come first.

You can use the NHS for free if you have lived in this country for a minimum of 12 months.If you're a student it's 6 months.

In Khaleejka even if you live 20-30 years you cannot go and use their hospitals and clinics.You HAVE to go private.

Enlightened~Sista wrote:

*Nobleman* wrote:
I dont know about emergency circumstances, I need some sort of source for that. But then again foreign citizens are not allowed to legally use the NHS, point being no country can cater for every non citizen in their country, theres no endless money pit or charity. Just like in any country, citizens come first.

You can use the NHS for free if you have lived in this country for a minimum of 12 months.If you're a student it's 6 months.

In Khaleejka even if you live 20-30 years you cannot go and use their hospitals and clinics.You HAVE to go private.

You have assumed because the Uk offers free healthcare that it is the norm for all countries. Walaal you need to go to other countries such as america then you'll see the difference

Shirib wrote:ES

Now the difference in the delegation is again based on money.

It's in the name too dammit!

Enlightened~Sista wrote:

Shirib wrote:ES

Now the difference in the delegation is again based on money.

It's in the name too dammit!

Money talks darling

*Nobleman* wrote:

Enlightened~Sista wrote:

*Nobleman* wrote:


People are excluded from using one small service for a matter of a few weeks, how does that accounts to discrimination.

They can't access many government services..there are hospitals/clinics only for Saudis for instance.Even if you live next to it you can't go to it even in the case of an emergency.

I dont know about emergency circumstances, I need some sort of source for that. But then again foreign citizens are not allowed to legally use the NHS, point being no country can cater for every non citizen in their country, theres no endless money pit or charity. Just like in any country, citizens come first.

NHS would not turn away an emergency case, someone having a heart attack will not be asked for their immigration status at A&E. What usually happens is that the foreign national is presented with a bill for treatment after they have been discharged/treated. Also even asylum seekers who have no recourse to public funds are entitled to free treatment on the NHS. Citizens come first, but the UK puts its citizens first without being inhumane to foreigners

Cirwaaq wrote:Ethiopia will destroy the whole place one day so isn't that just wasted invesment?

Yep they will destory the Ka'bah