A question the so called union between south and north

[Chinaman]

However short lived it was yes we were a country from June 26th until July 1st. The people of Somaliland would not take a No for an answer from Somaliland leaders when it came to union with the South. They pushed for union due to nationalism euphoria that swept the whole continental Africa. Now the People of Somaliland are pushing for recogniton, and will not except any other terms. Our case is not unique and it's based on self determination clause in the UN charter.

Self determination also means giving the ssc areas their self determination in choosing whether to be part of Somaliland or not.

[The_Emperior5]

However short lived it was yes we were a country from June 26th until July 1st. The people of Somaliland would not take a No for an answer from Somaliland leaders when it came to union with the South. They pushed for union due to nationalism euphoria that swept the whole continental Africa. Now the People of Somaliland are pushing for recogniton, and will not except any other terms. Our case is not unique and it's based on self determination clause in the UN charter.

Self determination means giving ssc's their self determination in choosing whether to be part of Somaliland or not.

ssc made up their mind long time ago

Sanaag

sool



Sanaaag







Sool

[Siciid85]

However short lived it was yes we were a country from June 26th until July 1st. The people of Somaliland would not take a No for an answer from Somaliland leaders when it came to union with the South. They pushed for union due to nationalism euphoria that swept the whole continental Africa. Now the People of Somaliland are pushing for recogniton, and will not except any other terms. Our case is not unique and it's based on self determination clause in the UN charter.

Self determination also means giving the ssc areas their self determination in choosing whether to be part of Somaliland or not.

SSC, NSUM, Northland, Darwishland etc.. is recent phenomana. They have no legal framwork that they can operate on. It's simply an idea that came from delusional diaspora group. The Dhulbahante and Warsangeli elders were present at the Burco conference and signed the reeastablishment and reversal of July 1st Union. It's done deal if you ask me. Somaliland on the other hand never signed any papers confirming the unification of Somaliland and Somalia. It was hastly decision reached in Hargeisa and then enacted upon.

Somaliland also have internationally define boundaries. Sool and Sanaag included. We are not seccesionists, we are simply asking the reversal of the hastly stupid 1960 act of union that failed and cause the lives of hundreds of Thousand Somaliland citizens. WE dont urge other regions within Somalia to think that we are for carving up a country. We suggest Puntland, Jubbaland, banadirland and Hiiranland to all stick with their country, Somalia. I also urge the people of Somaliland who entertain crazy thoughts like Awdal land, SSC(darwishland, northland) and Makhirland to stay with their country, Somaliland. meeshu waa Soomalia iyo Soomaliland. Waxii intaa kasoo hadha waa baadil.

[Chinaman]

However short lived it was yes we were a country from June 26th until July 1st. The people of Somaliland would not take a No for an answer from Somaliland leaders when it came to union with the South. They pushed for union due to nationalism euphoria that swept the whole continental Africa. Now the People of Somaliland are pushing for recogniton, and will not except any other terms. Our case is not unique and it's based on self determination clause in the UN charter.

Self determination also means giving the ssc areas their self determination in choosing whether to be part of Somaliland or not.

SSC, NSUM, Northland, Darwishland etc.. is recent phenomana. They have no legal framwork that they can operate on. It's simply an idea that came from delusional diaspora group. The Dhulbahante and Warsangeli elders were present at the Burco conference and signed the reeastablishment and reversal of July 1st Union. It's done deal if you ask me. Somaliland on the other hand never signed any papers confirming the unification of Somaliland and Somalia. It was hastly decision reached in Hargeisa and then enacted upon.

Al right then. When Somalia becomes peaceful western harti's will vote on whether to join Somaliland or Somalia and depending on the outcome they will either join Somaliland or Somalia, what about that??

Btw when I said ssc I meant sool, sanaag and cayn(specifically where harti's live) and not the recent group.

[Siciid85]

Your whole argument boils down to one thing, Qabiil. It's not a way to define borders sxb. Harti lives in both Somaliland and Somalia. So does Samaroon and so does Isaaq. Currently 10% of Jabouti are Isaaq. We also have large Sujiu wealthy population in Kenya. Yet we never claim them. This absurd argument of definingn territories based on clan is stupid and lame.

[muftaax]

ssc made up their mind long time ago

Sanaag



Sanaaag

Thats NOT SANAAG, just because Isaaq people celebrate and participate in Isaaq gathering does not mean Maakhir is Isaaq nor part of Isaaqland.

Walle, Isaaqs are the biggest desperates. 10% of Sanaag is Dhulbante and Isaaq.

[Chinaman]

Your whole argument boils down to one thing, Qabiil. It's not a way to define borders sxb. Harti lives in both Somaliland and Somalia. So does Samaroon and so does Isaaq. Currently 10% of Jabouti are Isaaq. We also have large Sujiu wealthy population in Kenya. Yet we never claim them. This absurd argument of definingn territories based on clan is stupid and lame.

Lame. You know what they'll choose which is why you wouldn't want a referendum to happen. Also most Djiboutian samaroons today don't want to be part of somaliland/somalia. Same with sujiu malis, they want to be part of Kenya. Moreover, Djibouti and kenya are sovereign nations that don't fall under the jurisdictions of Somalia anyway . They are not or never were part of Somalia. I'm afraid Loosing ssc is the price you guys have to pay for your rather dumb choice in joining Italian Somaliland in the 1960's.

[muftaax]

Who said Isaaqs were given the decision to join Darood-Hawiyes of Italia Somaliland?

[Chinaman]

Who said Isaaqs were given the decision to join Darood-Hawiyes of Italia Somaliland?

Cawr-adoon hutu, this has nothing to do with you

[muftaax]

Who said Isaaqs were given the decision to join Darood-Hawiyes of Italia Somaliland?

Cawr-adoon hutu, this has nothing to do with you

Dumbass chinese, I am the ruler of British Somaliland

[Siciid85]

Chinaman,

This discussion is over. WTF you're nacas. You're mixing too many issues. I'm sorry I have no time to baby sit anyone here. Perhaps next time I will walk you through this. Right now you're as confused as a duck getting lost in the middle of a deep river.

[gurey25]

@ emperior and siciid trying to reason with these fools..

its done, deal with it..
somaliland is free, and you have no say in it..

[muftaax]

Somaliland is FREE. FROM WHAT

[udun]

These kids live in a fantasy world and they create a country that never existed

UK itself is lapdog, the show happens in the White house not downing street 10.

Abdalle,

The Arab league and the African union will never agree to the dismemberment of Somalia. The rules are the central government of Somalia must first agree to it, 2/3 of the Somali parliament must agree to it, and the 2/3 of majority of the Somali people must agree secession. That is in the 1960 constitution and the alsi in the charter of the African union. All of these foreign lobbyists are milking SLers and doing it for their own personal gain.

In 2008, Bob Gates, the current US defense secretary brought to the Bush cabinet if it is possible to offer some form of recognition to SL so US AFRICOM command could be stationed in Berbera. Candoleeza Rice objected him and told him the department of Defense is not in a position to break countries apart.

Israel entertained the idea because it wanted to attack Iran from Berbera but since the Bush Administration rejected the unilateral attack on Iran, that was put into the shelf.

The fact is since SL is not self sufficient economically but relies on UN handoputs, its chances of becoming an independent state are slim.

Walaashiis,

That is just lobby and hype in the street. Having relative peace and fragile election based on clan lines is not a reason to break a country apart and the hype will just run out.