Busting the myth of secular islam

[grandpakhalif]

There hasn't been a shariah state since the death of Prophet Muhammad and the righteously guided caliphs. Everything that has come after them has been a cheap and faulty intimidation.

Andalus
Ummayad Caliphate
Salahudiin
Ottomon Empire
ICU

[FAH1223]

When people talk about Sharia, unfortunately Muslims and Non-Muslims talk about CAPITAL PUNISHMENT exclusively.

The rest of the Sharia deals with simple every day things such as salah or transactions or family law...

So to say there is no place for Sharia is pretty much rejecting stuff that you ALREADY are doing every day as a Muslim person...

[union]

There hasn't been a shariah state since the death of Prophet Muhammad and the righteously guided caliphs. Everything that has come after them has been a cheap and faulty intimidation.

Andalus
Ummayad Caliphate
Salahudiin
Ottomon Empire
ICU

Only applied bits and pieces of shariah. Andalus even practiced cultural pluralism, and has Jewish prime ministers. The ICU didn't really last long enough to be examined, but they were funded by wahabists in the gulf and their progeny (Al shabab) certainly doesn't properly apply the shariah.

[Executive]

When people talk about Sharia, unfortunately Muslims and Non-Muslims talk about CAPITAL PUNISHMENT exclusively.

The rest of the Sharia deals with simple every day things such as salah or transactions or family law...

So to say there is no place for Sharia is pretty much rejecting stuff that you ALREADY are doing every day as a Muslim person...

well said

[ArcadeFire]

secular wadani are you a gaal?

Abti I am not gaal, I am just anti-religion.

[BlackVelvet]

When people talk about Sharia, unfortunately Muslims and Non-Muslims talk about CAPITAL PUNISHMENT exclusively.

The rest of the Sharia deals with simple every day things such as salah or transactions or family law...

So to say there is no place for Sharia is pretty much rejecting stuff that you ALREADY are doing every day as a Muslim person...

The guy is talking about 'the militant aspect', read his opening post, that is what the thread is about.

[HalfDzed]

Shari'ah law is pretty much open to multiple interpretations and is a highly sensitive matter. Its also reflective of the background of anyone who adopts it. If those seeking to implement Shari'ah rule are a bunch of ignorant, trigger happy, irrational and incompetent individuals - its obvious what aspects of this theology they will enforce, which ones they will choose to ignore (intentionally or otherwise), and which ones they will abuse. However, if it is adopted by learned individuals who also have exposure to academia i.e. humanities, social sciences, policy & political science, and the many various departments of this field, then we can reasonably expect this form of Shari'ah law to encompass all the different building blocks of this concept. Maybe even let it live out to its potentials. Shari'ah law properly implemented & by competent individuals is a beautiful thing, its what Allah has ordained for us to use as a mode of governance. However, the problem arises when incompetent and unfit individuals, some of whom might be flirting with mental diseases like schizophrenia force it down on everyone, the outcome of its implementation is obvious. There's simply no way to limit Shari'ah to just haduud punishments alone, that was not the case during the caliphat e period. Iran have successfully managed to implement Shari'ah law in to many segments of its society - including family law, business transactions, government structure, even including women in to their government, etc. Yes, they are Shi'as, but they have managed to be the only beacon of Shari'ah law anywhere in the Muslim world.

[grandpakhalif]

When people talk about Sharia, unfortunately Muslims and Non-Muslims talk about CAPITAL PUNISHMENT exclusively.

The rest of the Sharia deals with simple every day things such as salah or transactions or family law...

So to say there is no place for Sharia is pretty much rejecting stuff that you ALREADY are doing every day as a Muslim person...

The guy is talking about 'the militant aspect', read his opening post, that is what the thread is about.

No its not, Western thinktanks ignore jihad and want Islam to be at peace even when attacked. Sharica is everything including what FAH mentioned!

[abdisamad3]

Isn't it funny how the self righteous, ultra-religious try to wrestle political control wherever in the world they may be? In America we have the evangelicals wanting to turn America into some crusading christian knight, while also trying to stop evolution from being taught in schools. In Somalia we have the teenager movement trying to usurp political power through violence and intimidation. Two sides of the same coin. Both lead by hypocrites whose faith in God doesn't leave the wide expanses of their mouths. We reject people who seek to use religion as a vehicle for political advancement and will fight them tooth and nail before they conqueror us.

do you believe in the evolution theory?

[BlackVelvet]

Shari'a might be everything including what Fah mentioned but really dude you are just backtracking now. No one has a problem with the nice nicey bits and you admitted that, but everyone is scared of cutting hands and throwing stones and non Muslims are scared of 'jihad' and that is what you feel 'secular' Muslims are rejecting and that is what I believe we were discussing before Fah and his cheerleader pranced in here.

Many people on this site claim to be 'secular muslims' and I was quite annoyed by their assertion that Islam and governance are completely separate. This is nothing but a myth posed by the western elite to water down Islam and change muslim society so it will become more accepting to their sick lifestyle. Indeed many here advocate that 'rotten' wadaads will always be present when it comes to political Islam. This is nothing but a fallacy which is used as an excuse by secularists to hide their sinister views on Islam. Belief in the supremacy of shareeca law is part and parcel of a muslim's faith as it cements full trust in Allah and his messenger. If you waver from this you are truly a lost cause. Now some here will argue that Al shabab and the Taliban version of sharia law is barbaric, draconian and illegitimate in 21st century world. When these two groups administer xuduud they do it in a very brash way. They don't consider the hadiths of the Prophet Muhammad in which he declared that four witnesses must be present in order to administer such xuduud. They also didn't take into consideration the xuduud of leniency where those who stole out of poverty should be forgiven. Therefore Al shabab and the Taliban are promoting an flawed form of shareeca law and cannot be used as an example. The west are also promoting a version of Islam which even some muslims are falling for, "Islam=Peace" this is partially correct but Islam also means submission, the west simply wants to get rid of the jihad aspect so we can easily submit to them.Islam is carved in granite, just the way it was. No change is possible. Allah’s Qur’an is a sealed volume. So when Allah says, Qur’an:2:216 “Jihad [holy fighting in Allah's Cause] is ordained for you [Muslims], though you dislike it. But it is possible that you dislike a thing which is good for you, and like a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knows, and you know not.” [Another translation reads]: “Warfare is ordained for you.” We must abide by it and listen to our Lord no matter what the west says.These secular Muslims are not Muslims who have accepted the peaceful aspects and rejected the militant aspects of Islam, because by rejecting any part of the Qur’an amounts to rejecting the Word of Allah, and that is blasphemy, and the penalty is death.So taking this into consideration, either a Muslim accepts the whole of Islam or he is an apostate. Secular muslim=false muslim.

[Ka darag]

Secular Muslim wa oxymoron...ma shagayniso

[abdisamad3]

[SecularWadani
They believe all that they are leading after islam and failure is what you get.

so according to your logic some one who is following the path of allah will be a failure..cajiib and your supposed to be a muslim right.

[abdisamad3]

We must await the arrival of the messiah because man has failed to successfully apply shariah. The Taliban, the Shabab, the list is endless. The same warlords just now masquerading as righteous in the garments of the faith. And they try to undermine everybody else by pointing the finger and shrieking "kafir" as if mere epithets will silence the truth coming out.

Are you kidding me? The Mahdi precedes Jesus and he might come 10 or 1000 yrs from now? Why would Allah and his messenger send down guidance if it weren't universally applicable ? So what do you suggest ? Ignore God's law for a couple of years? The audacity of these people

typical caasho candho confused as always.

[abdisamad3]

Is Union and Secularwadani the same person?

secular somali might be fat basra.

[grandpakhalif]

So BV do you have a problem with the xuduud Allah SWT has ordained for us or the ayah on jihad ? You are really confused.