South Sudan goverment considering recognising Somaliland!

[Cumar-Labasuul]

I have a question to those against somaliland seceeding:

What have your regions done to establish some sort of governance in the last 20 years?

[Salah Al-Din]

lol@Samatr are you only looking for a position? If you're only looking for a position, you should join the movement that wants Hargeisa to be the capital of Somalia and Somaliland government to be the government for Somalia as well. Then again, that will never happen, lol but like I said before every citizen of Somaliland is allowed their point of view.

[PrinceOfDarwiishLand]

I have a question to those against somaliland seceeding:

What have your regions done to establish some sort of governance in the last 20 years?

At least we aren't cowards who abandon each other.

You complain about Siyaad Barre and his government. Well, NEWS FLASH....Siyaad Barre died back in 1995 (AUN) and his government has been dissolved. Now, may I ask, what the hell are you running away from?

Ma SOMALI oo dhan baa wax ku yelay? Has USC committed 'genocide' against "SNM" ?

[PrinceOfDarwiishLand]

lol@Samatr are you only looking for a position? If you're only looking for a position, you should join the movement that wants Hargeisa to be the capital of Somalia and Somaliland government to be the government for Somalia as well. Then again, that will never happen, lol but like I said before every citizen of Somaliland is allowed their point of view.

Samatr is a Habr Yonis. He has the same views as his uncle Abdirahman Tuur. ONE SOMALIA...no matter what happens.

The Siyaad Barre (AUN) government is long gone. New beginning for SOMALIA, right?

[Cumar-Labasuul]

I have a question to those against somaliland seceeding:

What have your regions done to establish some sort of governance in the last 20 years?

At least we aren't cowards who abandon each other.

You complain about Siyaad Barre and his government. Well, NEWS FLASH....Siyaad Barre died back in 1995 (AUN) and his government has been dissolved. Now, may I ask, what the hell are you running away from?

Ma SOMALI oo dhan baa wax ku yelay? Has USC committed 'genocide' against "SNM" ?

You couldn't answer the question miyaa?

[Samatr]

lol@Samatr are you only looking for a position? If you're only looking for a position, you should join the movement that wants Hargeisa to be the capital of Somalia and Somaliland government to be the government for Somalia as well. Then again, that will never happen, lol but like I said before every citizen of Somaliland is allowed their point of view.

No I was saying how could you support a government that doesn't even deem you or those like you to hold the highest seat, personally I don't want to deal with Somali politics/government but the fact that some people want me to support a country that does not deem me or those who happen to be from the same region as me fit to lead is kind of funny.


prd

I am my own man, we live in two different times.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

South & North Korea were partitioned by force and will become united again like East and West Germany. Sudan isn't split yet.

Keep on with the irony.

Oh, I forgot that SUDAN is still ONE. I also forgot that the two Koreas were partitioned by FORCE.

What an irony from an iidoor.

Look at these cuqdadle dumbasses. North korea and South korea aren't their names. They are the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK) and Republic of Korea (ROK), respectively. Just like Taiwan is the Republic of China and China mainland is the People's Republic of China. I can't stand ignorant people who talk out of their arses. Learn before you type bullshit, you amoeba.

[PrinceOfDarwiishLand]

You couldn't answer the question miyaa?

I answered the question, but you want the answer to be the way you want it.

Somali families in Ceerigaabo who are from the Darod tribe have lost family members in Mogadishu. They are still 100% supporting SOMALIA. There are Somali families from Borama that have lost loved ones in Southern Somalia, and...guess what...they are 100% for SOMALIA.


What's your problem? Are you afraid that you will be considered to be a 'minority' in SOMALIA?

[Cumar-Labasuul]

You couldn't answer the question miyaa?

I answered the question, but you want the answer to be the way you want it.

Somali families in Ceerigaabo who are from the Darod tribe have lost family members in Mogadishu. They are still 100% supporting SOMALIA. There are Somali families from Borama that have lost loved ones in Southern Somalia, and...guess what...they are 100% for SOMALIA.


What's your problem? Are you afraid that you will be considered to be a 'minority' in SOMALIA?

I'll refesh your memory then, here's the original question and read it carefully this time:

What have your regions done to establish some sort of governance in the last 20 years?

[PrinceOfDarwiishLand]

I'll refesh your memory then, here's the original question and read it carefully this time:

What have your regions done to establish some sort of governance in the last 20 years?

Another ironic statement/question.

Don't act like you have any 'governance' whatsoever.

I'm from Northern Somalia. I and approximately 75% of Northern Somalia's inhabitants are Pro-Somalia.

However, if you want to leave Somalia, then by all means....GO, but make sure you take what is yours and leave the territories that don't belong to you or your clan.

How hard is that?

[FAH1223]

Welcoming news, Januub Sudan

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

I'll refesh your memory then, here's the original question and read it carefully this time:

What have your regions done to establish some sort of governance in the last 20 years?

Another ironic statement/question.

Don't act like you have any 'governance' whatsoever.

I'm from Northern Somalia. I and approximately 75% of Northern Somalia's inhabitants are Pro-Somalia.

However, if you want to leave Somalia, then by all means....GO, but make sure you take what is yours and leave the territories that don't belong to you or your clan.

How hard is that?

Do you even know what irony is you pink faggot? Stop over-using the word, you look stupid and desperate.

[Salah Al-Din]

Samtr, some one once said "Berberi ka wayn wax Go' lagu qaado". I'm under the impression Somaliland's sovereignty is bigger than a mere position. Then again like you said you are your own man.

[PrinceOfDarwiishLand]

Do you even know what irony is you pink faggot? Stop over-using the word, you look stupid and desperate.

Faggot? You calling me a faggot?

Check it out; YOU take what's yours...call it a 'somaliland' or "Santa's whorehouse'...whatever you like....BUT, don't claim what's not yours..."SSC", "Maakhir" iyo "AWDAL".

[juzme123]

So far, non of the anti-Somaliland people have provided a legitimate reason Somaliland should remain part of Somalia. Apart from arguiing against Somaliland and Emperior, it might actually help to validate your viewpoint if you state reasons as to why Somaliland should be and remain part of Somalia. Furthermore, all of you, again, fail to state why the independence of Somaliland would harm Somalia or its people; and all of you ignore the ways in which Somaliland's independence might benefit Somalia and its people.

1) You have to look at the past to understand the present. Somaliland was once a country seperate from Somalia, it was under the British and though you may dissmiss this that does not make it any less pertinent. A large section of the country's people were mistreated, and that is putting it mildly; you all know what went on so i shall not bother to explain. In contrast the south is still engaged in war, and Puntland was majorly unstable until as recent as 2006 (and currently faces piracy, bombings, assasinations and it is inconflict with its western (Somaliland) and southern (Galmudug) neighbours.

2) The politicians that were always sincere in their endevours and wanted peace, prosperity and development for Somalis have suceeded to do that and their results are evident. The politicians or warlords who were always power-hungry, oppertunistic also have been highlighted. An exelent example of the latter being Abdulahi Yusuf (look at his history, it didn't start or end with puntland, he has always been an oppertunistic and self-oriented @:%****; those are the kind of 'leaders' and 'politicians' who deceive genuine Somalis by telling them that they are acting on their behalf in their interest for 'somalinimo' or 'Somalia'. So lets look at who is genuine and sincere and whose past and present actions and achievements support.

3) Where others focused on fighting or trying to take control of other lands, Somaliland(ers) focused on their own territory: (a) establishing peace (b) a government (c) law and order (d) a military and investing in (e) schools (d) hospitals.

4) Awdal is, always was and will continue to be part of Somaliland so this is a dead-end argument. Secondly, there is no such thing as SSC apart from on paper; it should be parts of sool and sanaag (PSS) or 'buuhoodle town'. Thirdly the people who live in the most eastern parts of Somaliland were part of the shir beeleds through which Somaliland was created. Fourthly there is no such thing as Maakhir anymore.

"Addressing the first of the developments that is the so-called ‘SSC’ militia. First of all this militia is very small and is unlikely to represent the people living in that area; the fact that it is/was set up and funded by certain people in the diaspora further diminishes its claims and legitimacy; furthermore they are restricted within the perimiters of the small town of Buuhoodle. The militia is not sustainable in the long term; it is simply too small and it is a symptom rather than a cause in that the people in south-east Somaliland want to be heard more and need to be integrated more into Somaliland. Somaliland has correctly recognised that the elders of these regions are the people that it should be talking to."

These people in the diapora, are unsincere and are power hungry. There is no Somalia of which PSS can be part of, there is no Somalia government and PSS would almost certainly be taken over by either (a) puntland or (b) Alshabaab; it is simply too small, it has no geniune case and they do not know what they want. I urge these members of the diasporara to stop being oppertunistic and stop splaying with the peace of the people who live in those areas without a clear alternative; there is no place for clan-based politics as it is unviable, illogical and only leads to instability.

If anything, this can only be called 'buuhoodle town' or parts of sool and sanaag (PSS). Though i am hopeful that this will be resolved (peacufully), the people in PSS could benefit from being in Somaliland. Somaliland is inclusive, unlike Puntland it is a multi-clan democracy, they would have equal rights and oppertunities; they would have better development oppertunities because of the better environment, the peace is also more stable qallowing the people to focus on development rather then peace maintenance. If all else fails, PSS will be resolved and it is not likely to undermine Somaliland's independence


politically, we have taken different courses;

Somaliland poeple love peace and have done a lot to preserve that peace, the establishment of 'Somaliland' country has filled the power vacuum left by the siad barre government and assured the peace of Somaliland; something south Somalia failed to do; Something puntland failed to do untill very recently and is still in the process of doing. So we have assumed a different identity that is Somalilander, the peaceful, democratic, progressive, inclusive (many clans and hundreds of thousands of refugeed from the south), developing side of Somalis.

To say that Somalilanders are somehow rejecting Somalinimo is bullshit, we have just decided a more peaceful political path; i mean it has been 20 years, how long do you expect Somalilanders to wait for southern Somalia? 25, 30, 40, 50 years. Could Somaliland not do more to establish peace if it were independent and had greater economic resources and it was assured (because of its independence) that if it tried to interfere and bring peace to the south, this would not be at the cost of its own peace and existence; as in djibouti's case.

2) Does Puntland not have a flag, government, police, army and its people call themselves 'Puntlanders' - and in contrast to Somaliland, Puntland can be defined as a 'one clan country' - that is majeerteen and other clans are allowed very little political activity. I have above, explained the reason for Somaliland independence; why is it so inconceivable that Somaliland have a flag seperate of Somalia anyhow?

3) If you argue that Somaliland has to be part of Somalia becuase of the dream of Somaliweyn (which i kind of agtree with by theway, SOmaliweyn that is not re-union) why are you so myopic that you still consider that the only mechanism through which this can be achieved is through Somalia; bringing peace to (Southern) somalia is a very complex matter, if Djabouti and Somaliland are independent and peacefull, and Puntland is 'autonomous' within Somalia, does this not allow a framwork to achieve a union similar to the E.U in which Somali countries can work together to achieve their objectives (1) peace in Somalia (2) free Ogaden (which is vital for Somalia's long term existance) (3) free the NFD (4) independence of Oromia (5) working together with Egypt, (North) Sudan and Eritrea. The first (peace in Somalia) could possibly be achieved withoutout compromising their own peace and stability. The biggest misconception is that Somalia is the only mechanism through which Somali unity/independence can be achieved. One has to ask what the purpose of Somali weyn was, it was a means to an end not an end itself.

There are differnt ways to do the same thing, different routes to reach the same destination so as your situation changes so must you strategy. When your car breaks down, take the bike, when its tyres puncture hitch a hike, then run, walk, crawl etc you get the idea.

A qoute goes along the lines of:

"We have no perpetual enemies or allies, we have perpetual interests and it those that it is our duty to achieve"

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Yes Somaliland is inhabited by several clans but, to say that 3/4 of these clans don't want Somaliland then that is flase; further still this is even more false if one does not consider the propoertions of these clans in terms of the population; even further still, this is even less true if one does not consider the percented of each clan that does support Somaliland. So it can be said that a proportion of 1 out of the 4 clans does not support Somaliland; which is a small percent considering that say, clan 1, is 60%, in addition to the other two clans for, the opposing segemnt of the one clan represent a vert small percentage of the population. In any case, if the alternative to Somaliland is Somalia, a failed anarchic state, then the name aside, each country's attributes will bring it or lose it support; that means war, anarchy, hunger, disease, lawlessness, corruption, warlords, piracy, bombings and assasinations v.s. peace, development, oppertunities, inclusiveness, democracy, law and order. Hmm where would you go.

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It is inconceivable to me that you portray Somaliland and its people as moving away from Somalinimo when infact they are salvaging it, that you say they are taking away from Somalia when they are enabling themselves to contribute more. It is inconceivable to me that you focus on and create harms that may come from Somaliland independence for Somalis, whithout equally showing that advantages. It is inconceivale to me that you argue against and deligitimise Somaliland, the only mainly peaceful, democratic and developing thing to come forth from the old Somali republic and one which takes in hundreds of thousands of refugees every year from the south, without providing any genuine reasons or even an alternative.

Somaliland's existence and independence, whether recognised or not, serves to protect the peace, lives and futures of its people. And there is such a thing as de-facto independence (in-fact/in reality) and de-jure independence (legal).Somaliland is independent whether recognised or, De-Facto; Somalia doesn't exist, De-Facto. There is no Somalia to speak of, there is only war AMISOM and ALshabaab. regarding Puntland, well they are just they don't know who they want or are; they don't want the SOmalia government unless they dictate it (a case of my way or the highway) and they certainly don't want anything to do with Somaliland.

And those who say that Somaliland should take control of 'SOmalia' and make it peaceful and all this whoohaa nonsense. That is either the most disengenous/deceptive thing i have every heard or just really ill thought through. If the capital was moved to Hargeisa and a new government established there would this resolve the war in the south NO. Would this discourage of stop Alshabaab NO. Would this stop AMISOM, The U.S Ethiopia and IGAD who have their own agendas NO. Would this make Mogadishu any less important or strategic NO. It would create a power vacuum in th south for Alshabaab to fill and closing that war front it would open a new war front against the northern 'states' with HARGEISA being the new capital to fight for. Do you people actually think that Ethiopia, IGAD, U.S, U.N want what is best for Somalia NO. They will not provide the manpower, money or support that the TFG, SOmaliland or Puntland Need. They will not intervene to get rid of Alshabaab. Yet they have said that when it looks like that Alshabaab is winning (i.e. one viable power emerges as the one who runs Somalia) they will intervene. Hence the only logical conclusion is that they want the status quo to continue.

So far, non of the anti-Somaliland people have provided a legitimate reason Somaliland should remain part of Somalia. Apart from arguiing against and name-calling Somaliland, it might actually help to validate your viewpoint if you state reasons as to why Somaliland should be and remain part of Somalia. Furthermore, all of you, again, fail to state why the independence of Somaliland would harm Somalia or its people; and all of you ignore the ways in which Somaliland's independence might benefit Somalia and its people.