My Realization On Somalis In Light Of Arab Protests

[Monsieur]

Arabs and Somalis are hairy rat people. I'm Djiboutian and a pure human

[Username1]

What I find amazing is that the Marexaans on here claim that they defended Somalinimo against the colonials more then most tribes, but at the same time a week doesnt go by where Murax or Volatge does not make a thread belittling Somalis as people by making some absuard comparisons.
I think the problem is not Somalis, it's closer to home Murax and Volatge. It's called the Gedo syndrome. Your are aplying the doom and gloom of your region to Somalia.

[Cirwaaq]

Either by Omission or Commision Every somali is responsible for what is happening. He has moments of brilliance.

Pan-Africanist.

Monsieur you still haven't been banned?

[Monsieur]

Cirwaaq lost his virginity to his adeer Guled in 1994

[Voltage]

Username, since you brought up Siad Barre/Marehan let me ask you a simple question that highlights everything Murax was trying to say. In South Africa, when Blacks were fighting against the government they all came under the ANC not a Zulu group, Xhosa group. In Sudan, when the Blacks were fighting against the government, they all come under SPLM not a DInka group or a Nuer group.

In Somalia, where the people speak the same language, have the same religion, same culture (something which those people in South Africa and Sudan do not even share) why was there SSDF (Majerten), SNM (Isaaq), USC (Hawiye), etc in the opposition fighting the government? Even in such a base moment where unity would be the most ideal, the fact that Somalis were divided into tribal and not national groups even in opposition says something.

[Cirwaaq]

Cirwaaq lost his virginity to his adeer Guled in 1994

What seems to be your aggitation with the dictates of online civilised conduct? Has one of the other vents of your innner turbulances been banned leaving you suppressed to the point of retarded discourse. No don't tire your few brian cells attempting to coordinate your respiratory system and flexing your fingers to type more nonsense clown.



Don't trip navigating the forum now.

[Monsieur]

Siilka awoowga usheeg.

[Username1]

Somali unity as a single entity comprising of all Somali people in east Africa has never exsisted. It's hard to control Nomads constantly on the move from a single location. What exsisted in the past is a uniting identity with principled guidelines on how to conduct one self, Somalinmo. Siad Barre did not kill Somalinimo or unity it would be unfair to blame our historical disunity on him. However, he exasperated the problem and with his policy of divide and conquer sent Somalia to a place of no return. This policy insured that the victorious groups either did not unite against the late dictator or fractured at some point if they united.

[Murax]

Somali unity as a single entity comprising of all Somali people in east Africa has never exsisted. It's hard to control Nomads constantly on the move from a single location. What exsisted in the past is a uniting identity with principled guidelines on how to conduct one self, Somalinmo. Siad Barre did not kill Somalinimo or unity it would be unfair to blame our historical disunity on him. However, he exasperated the problem and with his policy of divide and conquer sent Somalia to a place of no return. This policy insured that the victorious groups either did not unite against the late dictator or fractured at some point if they united.

No offence but are You slow? I'm not talking about "Somalinimo" or stating that uniform somali culture doesn't exist. What I'm saying is that Somalia never in their history were unified by a single king, queen, sultan, Malik, khalifa, boqor, Emperior etc. and that lack of experience of being under a unified state has a lot to do with why Somalia is having such a difficult time forming a State.

[Cirwaaq]

Username, since you brought up Siad Barre/Marehan let me ask you a simple question that highlights everything Murax was trying to say. In South Africa, when Blacks were fighting against the government they all came under the ANC not a Zulu group, Xhosa group. In Sudan, when the Blacks were fighting against the government, they all come under SPLM not a DInka group or a Nuer group.

In Somalia, where the people speak the same language, have the same religion, same culture (something which those people in South Africa and Sudan do not even share) why was there SSDF (Majerten), SNM (Isaaq), USC (Hawiye), etc in the opposition fighting the government? Even in such a base moment where unity would be the most ideal, the fact that Somalis were divided into tribal and not national groups even in opposition says something.

- When Abdirashiir a sharmarke was assassinated in 1969 he was attenpting to correct the errors which for 9 years lead to both the presidency and the prime minster's seats being allocated to People from Italian-somaliland. 9 Years to correct a major violation of somalinimo, 9 years of corruption by MJ and Muduloode, 9 years of nepotism. The man that wanted to salvage the union was assissinated before he could go through with his plan to power share. Barre stepped in before hell broke loose inplimented radical changes that enhanced the welfare of the majority. He restored faith in the union and our united front was demonstrated when it took Ethiopia, Russia and Cuba to stop somalis occupying the whole ethiopia.

Then a parasitic opportunist jumped at the chance to cease power to hijack back the union to pre 1969 status. This lead to abuse of innocent MJs. Everything Barre achieved was destroyed from that moment on and the abuse continued till total state failed in 1991.

No group could trust another group simply because each group was aware the survivors would remain to rule the day and that is why it was encouraged that each group mount their own individual front and discussions would begin once the regime was gone. Well we know the rest Regime disappeared however the divisions resurfaced and the fracture took a sub fractal path.

JUSTICE was lacking from the birth of the union in 1960, there was no justice when civilians were punished for the crimes of rebel leaders, there was no justice period. Where there is no justice there is no civilization and also that is why the ICU functioned. Believe and application of Blind justice under which all are equal was not adhered to at any point from 1960.

You cannot sweep issues under the carpet but we are still attempting to do it today. Attempts to establish a government using Amisom is unjust in action, morally and to the deteriment of a people full of pride. Any and everything associated and found on the aggressive presence of Amisom and those who are exploiting them to gain power will not have a long term success because the vast majority will exploit the first opportunity to bury it simplity because of association.

Made by the Fufu bound for the grave reject it if you like. It is what it is. Barre could never have succeded even if he attempted to be he best military dictator in the history of mankind. Foundation was rotten hence it was bound for the crumble.

[Murax]

Everyone knows this.

But one thing you have wrong is the sense of nationalism among Arabs. Yemen as a republic never existed, it is only as old as Somalia, it just refers to a geographic landmass, same with Bahrain, etc. Those aren't nations, those are states. Big difference.

Somali nationalism actually exists while Arab state nationalism from Iraq to Morocco is a total farce. The entire Arab identity in whole and regionally is made up. Its culture and society was forged by various invading forces over the centuries and officialized by a Baathist politician a few generations ago.

Somalis are a nation, not Somalia as a single state is non-existent. In the truest sense, there are many nations that do not exist as states; Somalia is one, Kurdistan is another, Serbia is in the same boat (divided between Serbia and Bosnia), Baluchistan, Afghanistan, etc.

Somalis are a nation in the truest sense, people with a clearly identifiable identity. They are not fit to live in a single state though, and that's what your pointing out. But there's nothing wrong with it. I'd prefer Somalis being honest with themselves than occupying themselves trying to fit into an identity created by Europeans 50 years ago. The difference between us and Egyptians or Libyans or Bahrainis is that we know facts from fiction and our strong cultural identity doesn't allow us to be a bitch to some made-up concept.

Yea, my bad I actually meant being unifed under a single state. As far as identity Somali is the most distinct, clear one in the world with no confusion. The fact remains like You said though Somalia the Nation was a Western creation.





Ruralman,

You're right Somalia was indeed probably a subset (perhaps independent) of Abysinnia.

[Murax]

Username, since you brought up Siad Barre/Marehan let me ask you a simple question that highlights everything Murax was trying to say. In South Africa, when Blacks were fighting against the government they all came under the ANC not a Zulu group, Xhosa group. In Sudan, when the Blacks were fighting against the government, they all come under SPLM not a DInka group or a Nuer group.

In Somalia, where the people speak the same language, have the same religion, same culture (something which those people in South Africa and Sudan do not even share) why was there SSDF (Majerten), SNM (Isaaq), USC (Hawiye), etc in the opposition fighting the government? Even in such a base moment where unity would be the most ideal, the fact that Somalis were divided into tribal and not national groups even in opposition says something.

Brilliant point. Even Libya which is a very tribal society like us has one umbrella opposition.


Somalia's opposition had to have a different banner for every single tribe.

[Kukri]

The situation developing in sand-nigger states must have rattled some of cages.

If it takes a sand-nigger to question ones somalinimo....foc king Benghazis!

[HantiWadagii]

Brilliant point. Even Libya which is a very tribal society like us has one umbrella opposition.


Somalia's opposition had to have a different banner for every single tribe.[/quote]

Did you read my post? the nationhood was unormal.

[HantiWadagii]

MURAX:

We today know from CIA reports, that in 1970s when Somalia was pogressing much, and somalis was must united, Ali Mahdi a somali politican who was high ranking and worked for the government was maing plans to destroy Siad Barres unity government and replac it with a " Hawyie government" that says alot.