Sex and the City star breaks down over Somali refugees

[SummerRain]

Wa musibo waxa somali heesata...ilaahow nacafi.

[union]

I am not here to argue with you for the sake of arguing. Everything you have put to me has been addressed and in fact what you brought is not relevant in light of the first source information I gave you.

You’re repeating the liberal mantra of “evil south was fighting for slavery” over and over again. You’ve ignored key facts and I feel that you are either too obtuse to realize the fallacy of your argument or that you merely enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing.

yes the North and Lincoln initially fought to keep the union. They were not fighting initially to outlaw slavery

Everyone knows the Emancipation Proclamation came after. Everyone knows the North entered the war to protect the Union.

Good. I'm glad we are in agreement on that point.

the North and the President were defending the Union against the secessionists but the aggressor party was the south and their reason for war, as has been shown to you time and time again, was slavery primarily and state's rights secondary.

We but tread in the paths of our fathers when we proclaim our independence ... not in hostility to others, not to injure any section of the country, not even for our own pecuniary benefit, but from the high and solemn motive of defending and protecting the rights we inherited, and which it is our duty to transmit unshorn to our children
December 20, 1860

- Jefferson Davis President of the Confederacy.

Jefferson David made that quote immediately after resigning from the Senate after his state succeeded. This was after SCOTUS ruled that slavery could not be banned by congressional law in any state nor territory. Clearly he was fighting for other rights, and not necessarily slavery, as the right of slavery was already guaranteed to him and The South.

The south would have never left the Union for any one issue or squabble and would have sought legal pathways to defend the rights as states they felt were being impeded again, but the reason they reacted was because of the issue at hand. Hence the war being about slaves and state's rights being the guise with which to defend the right to enslave.

They didn't need a "guise". The right to enslave was in the constitution itself. It was the federal government which was not adequately executing the law and was trampling on the rights of states and that is why The South rebelled.

What state's rights were the south protesting? States do have rights in the US Constitution but the US Constitution also says State law cannot supersede federal law. The US Congress passes a law and it is final. Federal law is supersedes state law. The south reacted to the US Congress outlawing slavery in the new territories by unilaterally choosing to leave the Union instead of letting that be the first step to total ban sometime in the future.

See above.

The defining difference between north and south had been slavery and slavery was the single issue that could have fractured the Union of the US even to the point of war.

Wrong. Four border states that fought with The North against The South practiced slavery: Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland, and Missouri.

State's rights and all these things are secondary. When they had very clear prior disagreements between states and federal government, like the Georgia and Cherokee drama that saw Federal interference that riled up Georgia or other issues such as tariffs and trade blocks on key southern commodities that pissed some southern states off....they would have used the state's rights trump card to deal rebelliously with the US then. Only slavery did that which goes to show you that slavery was the primary motivation and everything else is secondary.

In 1832 South Carolina and a few other Southern states signed the Nullification Acts which basically said states had the right to nullify any federal law they deemed unconstitutional after The North placed burdensome and discriminatory tariffs on them. South Carolinian politicians even seriously considered declaring independence over that very issue, but only backed off because they did not receive much support from other states. So it's no surprise that South Carolina was the first to fire the first shots of the civil war, because this issue of federal vs state rights had been brewing for a very long time indeed.

As for the North no one, least of all I, said Lincoln's initial desire to go to war was to end slavery; he was trying to protect the Union. But war would not have happened had Lincoln not outlawed slavery from the new territories and the southern states not seceded because of that issue as expressed by them.

WTF do you mean had Lincoln not outlawed slavery from the new territories? Lincoln wasn't even fuckin president before seven states left the union. They left as he pleaded with them to stay, pledging not to outlaw the institution of slavery in their states, and they left even when the Supreme Court sided with them over that very issue. This war was brewing for a very long time over sectional rivalries between the north and south, and it was inevitable. Today the federal government is clearly above state government, and then it wasn't necessarily so clear. That's what the civil war did: it established the supremacy of the federal government.

[Voltage]

The fault was mine for engaging you.

[union]

Typical liberal. First make an unsupported assertion, second support said assertion through historical misrepresentations, third attack opposing viewpoints by claiming they have a “racist agenda”, and fourth after being soundly refuted run off to lick wounds before coming back tomorrow to regurgitate the same nonsense.

[Somalian_Boqor]

[JolieFille]

Whats wrong SSDF Qudhmis?

[Sanbalolshe]

Somalis and Somalis alone are to be blamed for this catastrophe; its a punishment from Allah swt. This is a punishment for all the blood thats been spilt, the injustices committed against defenseless people, each clan's support for their murderous warlords.. do i need to go on? We are paying the price for the crimes we commiteed against ourselfs, so please stop with the fake prententions and the crocodile tears. Afweyne and his kaafir marxist regime in particular will pay a heavy price for this clamity on the day of judgement, may allah swt safe us from the trials and tribulations of that troublesome day. Amiin. If these people had a state to protect them in these times of the need would childrein be dying on a daily bases, while walking thousands of miles to kenyan refugee camps? The naswer is no, so we must stop this nonsense NOW, or more disasters will soon follow.

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Wasmo Iyo Magaalo star is 1000x better than most somalis who dont want to donate because the displaced people are not from their clan.

[FBISOMALIA]

may allah help south somalia and stop the madness ...!!!

[JolieFille]

Somalis and Somalis alone are to be blamed for this catastrophe; its a punishment from Allah swt. This is a punishment for all the blood thats been spilt, the injustices committed against defenseless people, each clan's support for their murderous warlords.. do i need to go on? We are paying the price for the crimes we commiteed against ourselfs, so please stop with the fake prententions and the crocodile tears. Afweyne and his kaafir marxist regime in particular will pay a heavy price for this clamity on the day of judgement, may allah swt safe us from the trials and tribulations of that troublesome day. Amiin. If these people had a state to protect them in these times of the need would childrein be dying on a daily bases, while walking thousands of miles to kenyan refugee camps? The naswer is no, so we must stop this nonsense NOW, or more disasters will soon follow.

The government you called " Kaafir" flew over 70,000 Somalis from the northern regions during the great drought of 1974 to the south of the country if we still had the blessed government, our people will not suffer from drought today. And the man you call "Afweyne" was the man who gave us all the honor to be Somalis, may God give us such a great leader back again.

[melo]

Basra, dearest, the civil war was fought over state's rights not slavery. Slavery was just added onto the list to give the North a moral casus belli. Remember, White Christians exteriminated the Native American population and until recently had blacks under harsh and racist laws.

Also I must object to the demonization of my character by a certian group.


All I said was Somalis shoudl find ways of helping themselvs instead of always appealing for the help of others. I never said people should be starved of aid or whatnot.

Its American revisionism. The leaders in the North, even the famed Abe Lincoln had other priorities higher on their list. I mean, they removed slavery, but still treated blacks as members of the 4th estate- lower than peasants.

I'm surprised you admit to this. Where's your uncle tom cap?

[Murax]

Wasmo Iyo Magaalo star is 1000x better than most somalis who dont want to donate because the displaced people are not from their clan.

Been maaha but this drought affects "their clan" severely too, this is the entire Horn of Africa. So in essence Wasmo and magaalo star even cares about their own clansmen more than these kids

[Basra-]

[quote="Voltage"][quote="union"]Basra, dearest, the civil war was fought over state's rights not slavery. Slavery was just added onto the list to give the North a moral casus belli.[/quote

And who sold you this pack of lies? Southern historical revisionists? Civil War was about slavery and slavery primarily. State's rights was the excuse the South gave to try to secede but it was the right to enslave. It started when Lincoln and his party outlawed slavery from the new territories and the southern states saw this as the first step to banning slavery altogether.

Of course the North at first fought to keep the union and wasn't fighting to end slavery throughout the land, true but then again the reason for war is decided by aggressor party and the southernors in this case were motivated by slavery. You can conclude then the war was about slavery.[/quote]



Vo

I totally agree with u. We are in total agreement here. American civil war was MOSTLY about slavery. Union tried to argue that american civil war was NOT about slavery. As union pointed-- he is NOT a liberal, he is a republican, therefore, he cannot within his 'white guilt' self admit the war was about slavery.It brings up unnecessary ugliness that he cannot find himself able to admit. Union wants to sugar coat history with white dove fantastic tales.Lets indulge him.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

You southerners disgust me.

[Basra-]

abdi@loool come on. relax.