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Colonel wrote:

MizHargeysa wrote:that was a great article !! if somaliland does this all by themselves imagine what more could happen with help from the international community ... just so happy that npot all somalis are living in a war torn area .. well done somaliland insha allah recognition is on the way

The whole point of the article was that sland is better off without foreign help...this is why girls should not speak about anything other than the next meal.

The girl knows what shes talking about, she was just making another point and giving her opinion.

KingMJ wrote:

Colonel wrote:

MizHargeysa wrote:that was a great article !! if somaliland does this all by themselves imagine what more could happen with help from the international community ... just so happy that npot all somalis are living in a war torn area .. well done somaliland insha allah recognition is on the way

The whole point of the article was that sland is better off without foreign help...this is why girls should not speak about anything other than the next meal.

The girl knows what shes talking about, she was just making another point and giving her opinion.

Give this lad a few browny points, he's trully deserved them indeed.

Voltage wrote:I hate to sound negative, but your Daily Mail is anti-immigrant, anti-foreign aid, generally neo-conservative isolationist. This article is trying to make the case for the Daily Mail's political position.

On the subject, what economy does Somaliland have? What does it produce? There are three industries in Somaliland and indeed throughout the rest of Somalia;

1. Foreign aid
2. Remittance
3. Services that exist on remittance (Dahabshiil, etc as well as assortment of small business that in symbiotic relationship with remittance)

Does Somaliland get foreign aid? Somaliland is not a recognized country so it is not eligible for major bilateral investment between nations or loans from nations or international insitutions, but in all of the humanitarian yearly aid provided to Somalia, Somaliland gets its cut under the name of "Somalia".

For example, here is the USAID's foreign aid emergency report for Somalia and notice there is no distinction between Somaliland regions and Somalia regions

http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/humanitar ... 0-2011.pdf

I agree, If the daily mail reports that the sky is blue then I'd still take it with a pinch of salt. Laakin have a look at a paper written by Nicholas Eubank regarding Somaliland and foreign aid. Some interesting findings:

government dependency on local tax revenues -- which resulted from its ineligibility for foreign assistance -- provided those outside the government with the leverage needed to force the development of inclusive, representative and accountable political institutions.

Noblebrah, again I must stress that Somaliland does indeed get foreign aid. I disagree with the statement provided in your last quote about "ineligibility" for foreign aid. Like I said, Somaliland is not a recognized and independent country so it is not eligible for loans and other types of aid (which is a great thing for Somaliland considering what these types of "aid" has done to Africa), but indeed Somaliland does get foreign aid through humanitarian, civic-building, society-supporting aid. Even the presidential election took place largely with foreign humanitarian aid and I remember the electoral commission once saying it is impossible it would take place without more foreign monetary support.

So Somaliland is not eligible for loans, grants, involvement from world banks, etc but that isn't to say Somaliland doesn't get foreign aid. Somaliland's yearly budget is almost always in the tens of millions per year. That is an exceedingly small amount for a nation while at the same time it gets more than its yearly budget in humanitarian aid per year. In fact, from that you can infer Somaliland is one of the most aid dependent aid "countries" on earth.

The House of Representative approved budget 2010 ($61 million).

http://www.somalilandpatriots.com/news-10150-0

During that same year, only the US gave 160 million in Aid to Somalia. Add Britain, France, Netherlands, Italy, Norway, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc and then estimate the cut Somaliland would get as a major region counted within Somalia and you can see that there would have been more "aid" given to Somaliland than its budget could ever reach, over a 100% percentile in fact.

So to conclude, Somaliland is not eligible for loans/grants/etc which is the only aid the Daily Mail and that article took into consideration (so-called "dead aid" and the one most anti-aid people concentrate on since they can't legitimately attack humanitarian aid) but Somaliland as part of Somalia, the most failed state, has seen its own tremendous cut of humanitarian aid. Of course they all come under foreign aid which is why then you cannot say Somaliland is not dependent on foreign aid.

As for the accountability part, I tend to explain it as a shared history fighting against Barre and an over-zealous union of shared objectives (recognition) that keeps Somaliland accountable to its own people; after all the one issue where they try so hard to distinguish themselves from Somalia is the free and democratic card. Why would any Somaliland official want to go down the road where that is a false statement?

Irony of ironies. I wonder what the Daily Mail writer would say hearing their Minister of Africa in Hargeisa parliament saying UK has given over a 100 million pounds to Somaliland in last four years

at 6:57

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Again, foreign aid is not only loans/grants ("dead aid")...foreign aid also includes humanitarian aid which has been given to Somalia/Somaliland all this time

Somalia gets exceptionally more aid than Somaliland. As does many other African countries, of course Somaliland would be receiving some aid. They are not North Korea or Eritrea which are exceptional, controversial and incomparable countries. If you compare Somaliland to other African countries it receives very little in comparison.

You however, seem to be fixated on believing that Somaliland doesn’t receive a penny in aid money. Although in reality you should be comparing how much it receives to other African countries. Mr Voltage you seem to be battling an utterly incorrect battle, so your whole argument as I stated yesterday is useless.

Im gonna marry and Isaaq chick and live in Somaliland with our newly created family.

I just gotta work on my Reer Waqooyi accent

^^ Beenaale.

Colonel wrote:

MizHargeysa wrote:that was a great article !! if somaliland does this all by themselves imagine what more could happen with help from the international community ... just so happy that npot all somalis are living in a war torn area .. well done somaliland insha allah recognition is on the way

The whole point of the article was that sland is better off without foreign help...this is why girls should not speak about anything other than the next meal.

Yeh i understood what the article was talking about .. i'm just sharing my thoughts .. why you mad for ? next meal kulaha

Colonel wrote:

MizHargeysa wrote:that was a great article !! if somaliland does this all by themselves imagine what more could happen with help from the international community ... just so happy that npot all somalis are living in a war torn area .. well done somaliland insha allah recognition is on the way

The whole point of the article was that sland is better off without foreign help...this is why girls should not speak about anything other than the next meal.

Yeh i understood what the article was talking about .. i'm just sharing my thoughts .. why you mad for ? next meal kulaha

Voltage wrote:Noblebrah, again I must stress that Somaliland does indeed get foreign aid. I disagree with the statement provided in your last quote about "ineligibility" for foreign aid. Like I said, Somaliland is not a recognized and independent country so it is not eligible for loans and other types of aid (which is a great thing for Somaliland considering what these types of "aid" has done to Africa), but indeed Somaliland does get foreign aid through humanitarian, civic-building, society-supporting aid. Even the presidential election took place largely with foreign humanitarian aid and I remember the electoral commission once saying it is impossible it would take place without more foreign monetary support.

So Somaliland is not eligible for loans, grants, involvement from world banks, etc but that isn't to say Somaliland doesn't get foreign aid. Somaliland's yearly budget is almost always in the tens of millions per year. That is an exceedingly small amount for a nation while at the same time it gets more than its yearly budget in humanitarian aid per year. In fact, from that you can infer Somaliland is one of the most aid dependent aid "countries" on earth.

The House of Representative approved budget 2010 ($61 million).

http://www.somalilandpatriots.com/news-10150-0

During that same year, only the US gave 160 million in Aid to Somalia. Add Britain, France, Netherlands, Italy, Norway, Japan, Canada, Australia, etc and then estimate the cut Somaliland would get as a major region counted within Somalia and you can see that there would have been more "aid" given to Somaliland than its budget could ever reach, over a 100% percentile in fact.

So to conclude, Somaliland is not eligible for loans/grants/etc which is the only aid the Daily Mail and that article took into consideration (so-called "dead aid" and the one most anti-aid people concentrate on since they can't legitimately attack humanitarian aid) but Somaliland as part of Somalia, the most failed state, has seen its own tremendous cut of humanitarian aid. Of course they all come under foreign aid which is why then you cannot say Somaliland is not dependent on foreign aid.

As for the accountability part, I tend to explain it as a shared history fighting against Barre and an over-zealous union of shared objectives (recognition) that keeps Somaliland accountable to its own people; after all the one issue where they try so hard to distinguish themselves from Somalia is the free and democratic card. Why would any Somaliland official want to go down the road where that is a false statement?

Bro no doubt that Somaliland receives substantial aid. Forget aid, the country survives on remittance through dahabshil. My point is being unrecognised is pretty useful as they cannot receive the usual sums of foreign aid, which in turn ensures the govt is more resourceful and leading to far greater success.

What a disgusting article. I love the fact that Somaliland has developed but this link to Britain this bastard fascist Daily Mail journalist continually brings up is sickening. Do Somalilanders really hanker after their coloniser and remember her so fondly? Their development comes from Somalilanders and other Somalis. I really wish this link to Britain would be erased, colonisation is not something to remember fondly.

gedo_gurl wrote:What a disgusting article. I love the fact that Somaliland has developed but this link to Britain this bastard fascist Daily Mail journalist continually brings up is sickening. Do Somalilanders really hanker after their coloniser and remember her so fondly? Their development comes from Somalilanders and other Somalis. I really wish this link to Britain would be erased, colonisation is not something to remember fondly.

Exactly my thoughts. If I were the president, I would burn all the history books that mentioned the ingiriis and wipe-out all memory of the colonisers all together. SMH