Federalism

[gemini_snake]

FAH's vision of the Swiss model is too soft. Its like prescribing aspirin for a virus.

fah is very naive.

[quark]

Something like Britain but not by qabiil it should be regions otherwise we would end up with 100 states.

Thanks for your input greenday by saying regions do you mean states like galmudug, ximan and xeeb, PL etc or you had something else in mind?

All these are qabiils states, we need to mix people e.g add three gobolo to make a state, this will wipe out my qabiil owns this mentality.

intresting.........what if cetain tribes want nothing to with each other? isnt it better to let whoever wants to join a particular state within somalia willingly?

[Knight of Wisdom]

This is my dream government that i designed myself

somalia has 18 regions

18 governors
18 ministers
180 mp's , 10 of them from one region so 10x18=180mps
18 vice ministers

individual regions choose their own governor and pick their own 10 mps from their own region

my dreaaaaaaaaam i will make this happen inshallah

Damn, that's pretty good.

[AhmedBoqor]

This is my dream government that i designed myself

somalia has 18 regions

18 governors
18 ministers
180 mp's , 10 of them from one region so 10x18=180mps
18 vice ministers

individual regions choose their own governor and pick their own 10 mps from their own region

my dreaaaaaaaaam i will make this happen inshallah

At first I agreed with this, but now I'm questioning if we have the population requirements, as its now the average of people in each region is about half of million, thats AVERAGE. Some place are severely under populated.

[Coeus]

The likes of Paidmonk are mostly exclusive to one clan. I hate to be a tribalist. But this ongoing trend of Majerteens being anti Somalis and anti unity must be told. If we look at history, it was these kind of people that took the office in the early 60s, they brought clan politics, widespread drug abuse, assasinations and corruption to Somalis who wanted to be a shining example of a country in Africa. Thus people became sick of what has manifested itself in Somalia in many years of "majerteen" rule of the nation.

From the Isaaq from all the way north, to Hawiye all the way South saw the uselessness of that goverment. And it finally happened 1969, people took matters into their own hands. the country flourished and made a name for itself on the worldmap. Siad barre might have been a lunatic, but wallahi he had atleat the nations interest at his heart and transformed the country.

The Isaaq in turn took back their bombed cities witch was mentioned to be the worst case of bombings of civilians in Africa at that time. They transformed their cities, restored peace among clans and had one vision (even if we dont agree). They shined some light on the torn Somali name, and gave back som honour to it, by being a shiny example of Somalis that can do anything if they have the will. They became a stark contrast in a region where development was low and state controll was everywhere.


The majerteen founded their mamool and until today, it is associated with tribalism, drug abuse, piracy and organized crime. They got their chance by having fat boy sharmarke in the office of Somalia, he proved to be a corrupt and useless, but loyal to puntland by stealing the aid fund of the Nation and diverting it to Puntland.


These are the same people that looked with envy and tried to associate farmaajo with corruption. They are the same people wich are still until today very involved with Ethiopia and anti Somali activities.

I would be careful of taking their advice on anything that matters to national security.

[XimanJaale]

This is my dream government that i designed myself

somalia has 18 regions

18 governors
18 ministers
180 mp's , 10 of them from one region so 10x18=180mps
18 vice ministers

individual regions choose their own governor and pick their own 10 mps from their own region

my dreaaaaaaaaam i will make this happen inshallah

At first I agreed with this, but now I'm questioning if we have the population requirements, as its now the average of people in each region is about half of million, thats AVERAGE. Some place are severely under populated.

all regions will have their freedom to choose who they want. i don't understand what u mean by population but my system the population has nothing to do with it.

[greenday]

Quark;then we would know that certain qabiil has no interest in Somalia or Somalino they might as well be an independent country right? Qabiil states will create hostility among the Somalis, people will not find easy to move to a state because they will be the outsider. We shall name and shame those who refuse. A mixed Somali is better in my view

[union]

Quark, the Benefits of Federalism:

-Each state gets a share of development aid to develop according to their desires.
-Each state gets full autonomous exploration rights and keeps all the profits. Its not fair that PL has to give its oil profits to Shabelle Hoose if SH won't create a canal to divert their river water to PL.
-Each state has set borders that must be approved, so no more conflicts over land.
-Each state builds its own native security force, so no worries about being attacked by foreigners.
-Each state has full rights to set its own trade codes and autonomy to trade with the outside world.

Really, its quite a huge leap forward for current states and good incentive for the creation of future stable states. Its a win-win for all.

this isn't really federalism, this is just creating different countries

Obviously he doesn't know what federalism actually entails.

[quark]

coeus, debate your points like a man and stop the useless whinning instead of telling us your opinions regarding the subject you pull such nonsense. we know you are a damn tribalist so be open about it

[Knight of Wisdom]

The likes of Paidmonk are mostly exclusive to one clan. I hate to be a tribalist. But this ongoing trend of Majerteens being anti Somalis and anti unity must be told. If we look at history, it was these kind of people that took the office in the early 60s, they brought clan politics, widespread drug abuse, assasinations and corruption to Somalis who wanted to be a shining example of a country in Africa. Thus people became sick of what has manifested itself in Somalia in many years of "majerteen" rule of the nation.

From the Isaaq from all the way north, to Hawiye all the way South saw the uselessness of that goverment. And it finally happened 1969, people took matters into their own hands. the country flourished and made a name for itself on the worldmap. Siad barre might have been a lunatic, but wallahi he had atleat the nations interest at his heart and transformed the country.

The Isaaq in turn took back their bombed cities witch was mentioned to be the worst case of bombings of civilians in Africa at that time. They transformed their cities, restored peace among clans and had one vision (even if we dont agree). They shined some light on the torn Somali name, and gave back som honour to it, by being a shiny example of Somalis that can do anything if they have the will. They became a stark contrast in a region where development was low and state controll was everywhere.


The majerteen founded their mamool and until today, it is associated with tribalism, drug abuse, piracy and organized crime. They got their chance by having fat boy sharmarke in the office of Somalia, he proved to be a corrupt and useless, but loyal to puntland by stealing the aid fund of the Nation and diverting it to Puntland.


These are the same people that looked with envy and tried to associate farmaajo with corruption. They are the same people wich are still until today very involved with Ethiopia and anti Somali activities.

I would be careful of taking their advice on anything that matters to national security.

The only President to have ever been assassinated in the history of Modern Day Somalia was an MJ.

[XimanJaale]

Quark, the Benefits of Federalism:

-Each state gets a share of development aid to develop according to their desires.
-Each state gets full autonomous exploration rights and keeps all the profits. Its not fair that PL has to give its oil profits to Shabelle Hoose if SH won't create a canal to divert their river water to PL.
-Each state has set borders that must be approved, so no more conflicts over land.
-Each state builds its own native security force, so no worries about being attacked by foreigners.
-Each state has full rights to set its own trade codes and autonomy to trade with the outside world.

Really, its quite a huge leap forward for current states and good incentive for the creation of future stable states. Its a win-win for all.

this isn't really federalism, this is just creating different countries

Obviously he doesn't know what federalism actually entails.

is not only him, his whole tribe doesn't know how to rule a WHOLE country

[gemini_snake]

The likes of Paidmonk are mostly exclusive to one clan. I hate to be a tribalist. But this ongoing trend of Majerteens being anti Somalis and anti unity must be told. If we look at history, it was these kind of people that took the office in the early 60s, they brought clan politics, widespread drug abuse, assasinations and corruption to Somalis who wanted to be a shining example of a country in Africa. Thus people became sick of what has manifested itself in Somalia in many years of "majerteen" rule of the nation.

From the Isaaq from all the way north, to Hawiye all the way South saw the uselessness of that goverment. And it finally happened 1969, people took matters into their own hands. the country flourished and made a name for itself on the worldmap. Siad barre might have been a lunatic, but wallahi he had atleat the nations interest at his heart and transformed the country.

The Isaaq in turn took back their bombed cities witch was mentioned to be the worst case of bombings of civilians in Africa at that time. They transformed their cities, restored peace among clans and had one vision (even if we dont agree). They shined some light on the torn Somali name, and gave back som honour to it, by being a shiny example of Somalis that can do anything if they have the will. They became a stark contrast in a region where development was low and state controll was everywhere.


The majerteen founded their mamool and until today, it is associated with tribalism, drug abuse, piracy and organized crime. They got their chance by having fat boy sharmarke in the office of Somalia, he proved to be a corrupt and useless, but loyal to puntland by stealing the aid fund of the Nation and diverting it to Puntland.


These are the same people that looked with envy and tried to associate farmaajo with corruption. They are the same people wich are still until today very involved with Ethiopia and anti Somali activities.

I would be careful of taking their advice on anything that matters to national security.

you can drop the act of pretending to be isaaq because you're not fooling anyone. the crap you wrote up there is straight out of the typical siyadist handbook. this also explains your obsession with azania and your love for everything marexaan.

[Knight of Wisdom]

Quark, the Benefits of Federalism:

-Each state gets a share of development aid to develop according to their desires.
-Each state gets full autonomous exploration rights and keeps all the profits. Its not fair that PL has to give its oil profits to Shabelle Hoose if SH won't create a canal to divert their river water to PL.
-Each state has set borders that must be approved, so no more conflicts over land.
-Each state builds its own native security force, so no worries about being attacked by foreigners.
-Each state has full rights to set its own trade codes and autonomy to trade with the outside world.

Really, its quite a huge leap forward for current states and good incentive for the creation of future stable states. Its a win-win for all.

this isn't really federalism, this is just creating different countries

Obviously he doesn't know what federalism actually entails.

Paidmonk got BUSTED !

[Coeus]

coeus, debate your points like a man and stop the useless whinning instead of telling us your opinions regarding the subject you pull such nonsense. we know you are a damn tribalist so be open about it

I already did. And no, im not a tribalist regardless of what you may believe.

[XimanJaale]

The likes of Paidmonk are mostly exclusive to one clan. I hate to be a tribalist. But this ongoing trend of Majerteens being anti Somalis and anti unity must be told. If we look at history, it was these kind of people that took the office in the early 60s, they brought clan politics, widespread drug abuse, assasinations and corruption to Somalis who wanted to be a shining example of a country in Africa. Thus people became sick of what has manifested itself in Somalia in many years of "majerteen" rule of the nation.

From the Isaaq from all the way north, to Hawiye all the way South saw the uselessness of that goverment. And it finally happened 1969, people took matters into their own hands. the country flourished and made a name for itself on the worldmap. Siad barre might have been a lunatic, but wallahi he had atleat the nations interest at his heart and transformed the country.

The Isaaq in turn took back their bombed cities witch was mentioned to be the worst case of bombings of civilians in Africa at that time. They transformed their cities, restored peace among clans and had one vision (even if we dont agree). They shined some light on the torn Somali name, and gave back som honour to it, by being a shiny example of Somalis that can do anything if they have the will. They became a stark contrast in a region where development was low and state controll was everywhere.


The majerteen founded their mamool and until today, it is associated with tribalism, drug abuse, piracy and organized crime. They got their chance by having fat boy sharmarke in the office of Somalia, he proved to be a corrupt and useless, but loyal to puntland by stealing the aid fund of the Nation and diverting it to Puntland.


These are the same people that looked with envy and tried to associate farmaajo with corruption. They are the same people wich are still until today very involved with Ethiopia and anti Somali activities.

I would be careful of taking their advice on anything that matters to national security.

The only President to have ever been assassinated in the history of Modern Day Somalia was an MJ.

and he was killed by a MJ man that had SUURO