Kenya develops plan for satellite region Jubaland on Border

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Personally, Adoon and Xabasha weey ii simanyahiin.

But lol @ the Somalilanders in this thread. The irony is incredible!

Where is the irony? When have the citizens of Somaliland ever welcomed a foreign invader?

[Based]

Personally, Adoon and Xabasha weey ii simanyahiin.

But lol @ the Somalilanders in this thread. The irony is incredible!

Where is the irony? When have the citizens of Somaliland ever welcomed a foreign invader?

Not a foreign invader per se.

Jubbaland/Azania is currently occupied by Al-Shabaab, Somaliland was occupied by faqash (according to Somalilanders)
Jubbalanders/Azanians (Azaniers?) need the assistance of Kenya to overthrow their occupiers, the SNM needed the assistance of Ethiopia to overthrow the regime.
In 2010, Ethiopian troops supporting Somaliland clashed with militiamen in Buhoodle and Widhwidh, and as far as I can tell no Somalilander was against that. In 2011, Kenyan troops supporting Jubbaland/Azania clash with militants in the Jubba Valley/Kismayo area.

I think the irony of Somalilanders protesting this "invasion" is apparent to anybody not blinded by qabyaalad, and I'm not even a supporter of these adoons.

[Voltage]

Let Kenya come and take all the Oil. If My people have a State, and live in peace and security and not being in lawlessness we're fine.

[Voltage]

A boy born in Nairobi is closer to us than boy born in Hargeisa.

[Methylamine]

^trololololololololololololololololol

[SahanGalbeed]

Jubbaland/Azania is currently occupied by Al-Shabaab, Somaliland was occupied by faqash (according to Somalilanders)
Jubbalanders/Azanians (Azaniers?) need the assistance of Kenya to overthrow their occupiers, the SNM needed the assistance of Ethiopia to overthrow the regime.
In 2010, Ethiopian troops supporting Somaliland clashed with militiamen in Buhoodle and Widhwidh, and as far as I can tell no Somalilander was against that. In 2011, Kenyan troops supporting Jubbaland/Azania clash with militants in the Jubba Valley/Kismayo area.

those are pure DAAROOD lies . Various daarood militiamen currently employed by the ethiopian gov killed other daaroods in Buuhoodle . We had NO business in this @#!*% . 2nd , the regime of Mengistu has indeed helped us in granting the SNM the USC and the SSDF a safe heaven from which they could launch their attack against the regime of Mahamad Siyaad. Ethiopia didn't fight for us .
Do not distort history please , it is not only wrong but also offensive .

[Based]

Jubbaland/Azania is currently occupied by Al-Shabaab, Somaliland was occupied by faqash (according to Somalilanders)
Jubbalanders/Azanians (Azaniers?) need the assistance of Kenya to overthrow their occupiers, the SNM needed the assistance of Ethiopia to overthrow the regime.
In 2010, Ethiopian troops supporting Somaliland clashed with militiamen in Buhoodle and Widhwidh, and as far as I can tell no Somalilander was against that. In 2011, Kenyan troops supporting Jubbaland/Azania clash with militants in the Jubba Valley/Kismayo area.

those are pure DAAROOD lies . Various daarood militiamen currently employed by the ethiopian gov killed other daaroods in Buuhoodle . We had NO business in this @#!*% . 2nd , the regime of Mengistu has indeed helped us in granting the SNM the USC and the SSDF a safe heaven from which they could launch their attack against the regime of Mahamad Siyaad. Ethiopia didn't fight for us .
Do not distort history please , it is not only wrong but also offensive .

What?

You have no business with an Ethiopian military offensive against people living in a city claimed by Somaliland? As for the Mengistu regime, did they not provide arms, funding, support, training, and logistics to the SNM? Obviously Ethiopia could not have invaded Somali territory because the circumstances(a strong central government, international condemnation, inevitable military response from Somalia especially in light of the failed SSDF/Ethiopian invasion in 1982 ) are now different given Somalia's status as a failed state, but if the principle you use to justify your relationship with Ethiopia is "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", how can you possibly argue against Kenya providing its military muscle in support of local militias against a brutal Al-Shabaab occupation that's claimed the lives of tens of thousands of civilians?

It's hypocritical and laughable.

And once again, I don't even support this invasion but I feel compelled to point out logical inconsistencies.

[SahanGalbeed]

You have no business with an Ethiopian military offensive against people living in a city claimed by Somaliland

No ! as i have said Buuhoodle is a city divided in 2 . 1 side is in Ethiopia , the other in Somaliland . The disagreement between the dhulbahante khat merchants and the Ethiopian "finanza" has nothing to do with Somaliland .
2/ Ethiopia didn't fight for us , WE DID ! Kenya on the other hand has VIOLATED Somalia's territorial integrity , without the support and the knowledge of the Somali gov . The current Kenyan invasion is even worse than Cabdullahi Yusuf's miscalculation for his was at least prompted by the former gov of Somalia .

[Based]

You have no business with an Ethiopian military offensive against people living in a city claimed by Somaliland

No ! as i have said Buuhoodle is a city divided in 2 . 1 side is in Ethiopia , the other in Somaliland . The disagreement between the dhulbahante khat merchants and the Ethiopian "finanza" has nothing to do with Somaliland .
2/ Ethiopia didn't fight for us , WE DID ! Kenya on the other hand has VIOLATED Somalia's territorial integrity , without the support and the knowledge of the Somali gov . The current Kenyan invasion is even worse than Cabdullahi Yusuf's miscalculation for his was at least prompted by the former gov of Somalia .

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Ayn_clashes
http://somalilandpress.com/ethiopia-giv ... pons-15989
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10140805

I think your first claim is at best, misinformed, or at worst, a deliberate lie. Dozens of independent news agencies (and Somalilandpress, apparently) seem to confirm the veracity of my claims.

As for your second point, as I mentioned before, the circumstances are clearly different. Ethiopia learned in 1982 that any attempt to directly fight on behalf a rebel organization would be in vain. If Ethiopia could have fought on your behalf, they would have, but they were clearly worried about their own national security following their embarrassing defeat in the 1982 Ethiopian-Somali border war. Instead, they offered you safe haven, training camps, direct financial assistance, base of operations etc. which alone would constitute a casus belli. Your mock horror at the thought of a violation of Somalia's territorial integrity is hilarious seeing as you're a supporter of an entity that's unilaterally declared secession and independence. There is no Somali government. The TFG is a farce of an organization that survives only because of the support of Uganda and Burundi, confined to Mogadishu. If the people of Jubbaland/Azania have decided they need all the assistance they can get in getting rid of Al-Shabaab's tyranny, I don't hold it against them. Like many a Somalilander has argued, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

[SahanGalbeed]

In 2010, Ethiopian troops supporting Somaliland clashed with militiamen in Buhoodle and Widhwidh

This was your intial assertion .
None of the links you've provided support that .
The Ethiopians clashed with the dhulbahante in buuhoodle which is a border town divided in 2 like i have said for reasons shown in your links , and the somaliland gov with the SSC militia in widh widh for a DIFFERENT reason and on their own . It might all have happened in 2010 but it wasn't either a combined operation or simultaneous

Your mock horror at the thought of a violation of Somalia's territorial integrity is hilarious seeing as you're a supporter of an entity that's unilaterally declared secession and independence.

Just because I want to seceede doesn't mean I approve of anybody literally raping a sister nation .

Like many a somalilander has argued ,the enemy of my enemy is my friend

I really doubt your sincerity here , for had that been the case the majority of Somalilanders would have supported the current illegal Kenyan invasion of Somalia , which is clearly not the case .

[Based]

In 2010, Ethiopian troops supporting Somaliland clashed with militiamen in Buhoodle and Widhwidh

This was your intial assertion .
None of the links you've provided support that .
The Ethiopians clashed with the dhulbahante in buuhoodle which is a border town divided in 2 like i have said for reasons shown in your links , and the somaliland gov with the SSC militia in widh widh for a DIFFERENT reason and on their own . It might all have happened in 2010 but it wasn't either a combined operation or simultaneous

Your mock horror at the thought of a violation of Somalia's territorial integrity is hilarious seeing as you're a supporter of an entity that's unilaterally declared secession and independence.

Just because I want to seceede doesn't mean I approve of anybody literally raping a sister nation .

Like many a somalilander has argued ,the enemy of my enemy is my friend

I really doubt your sincerity here , for had that been the case the majority of Somalilanders would have supported the current illegal Kenyan invasion of Somalia , which is clearly not the case .

The Somalilandpress link clearly states,

The Defense Minister of Somaliland, Mr. Suleyman Warsame Guled, said the Ethiopians contacted him before they moved their forces into Buhodle to secure the border ahead of their elections. He added they have not crossed into Somaliland instead are stationed on their side of the border. It’s unclear if another war will break out between the Ethiopians and the armed militants whom their prime goal is to disturb the elections in Somaliland that will take place in June 26.

Why is Ethiopia protecting Somaliland from armed militants whose prime goal is to "disturb the elections in Somaliland that will take place in June 26"? I don't see any Somalilanders protesting against a foreign military backing up Somaliland. In fact, I seem to recall this lovely thread.
viewtopic.php?f=245&t=247039.

Let's be honest with each other. Somaliland's entire existence depends upon the mere fact that "at least we're not Southern Somalia!" I hate to say this, but I feel like your (Somalilanders) protestations against Kenya's support of Jubbalanders/Azanians are disingenuous. You clearly benefit from chaos raging across the rest of the country, since it strengthens your argument for recognition. Anything that threatens your greatest asset(like the destruction of Al-Shabaab and peace in Southern Somalia) would obviously be something you're against. Al-Shabaab must be destroyed, by any means necessary, just as Siyaad Barre had to go (according to your ideology) by any means necessary. To condemn Jubbalanders/Azanians for getting foreign backing while the "country" you claim came to being as a direct result of foreign help is nothing short of hypocritical.

[gurey25]

There was no training, or equipment supplied by the Ethiopians to the SNM.
The Ethiopians allowed us to set up camps, and allowed us to launder money through their banks, and allowed us to set up refugee camps.
We had to pay for all equipment from our own pockets..

Do not confuse us with the SSDF , closer interaction with the Ethiopians came with a price, you had to come under ethiopian control..

The Ethiopians were satisfied with only shared intelligence thats it..

[Saraxnow]

And neither did the SNM agree to be financed by Gaddafi like the SSDF. He demanded that his green book be abided to and they said no!

[gurey25]

we took the initial arms for the first 300 men from Ghadafi..and then said to him no thank you..
he offered to arm 10,000...

The SSDF took allot of arms and money from him..

but i am no hater, i admire the way they hustled him.

We were too moral and appraoched the whole thing honourably while the SSDF were tonly thinking of how much they could hustle him out of.

to SSDF

[udun]

Looks like the SLers believe Jubbaland is gonna take the spotlight away from them

What is so funny is they are trying to convince the world that Ethiopia under Mengistu did nor arm them. What a ballooney nonsense. Ethiopia armed, trained, and guided the SNM. Not only that but the whole successionist project is a hostage to Ethiopia's regional ambitions towards Somalia.