Ethiopia and Somali conflicts of war

[abdalla11]

Was that before or after they plegded their allegiances to him as the boqor of Darood

[udun]

Ninyahow bartire buuga kuma yaal

After their devastating defeat he went to the Geri Koombe. As the arab say kullu shay-in yarjicu ilaa aslihi

Bartiire were the rulers of Darood whether you like it or not if they told the Mj sultanate to jump the sultan would reply how high

As a matter fact, historically Garaads of Geri Koombe were historical rulers before MJ Sultanate. If you examine the history of Somalis pushing others, you would find that it was Gerri Koombe leading that effort. Garaad of Bartire Wiilwaal was known with wisdom and brilliancy.

[MidriGeez]

Ahmed Gurey was Habar Magaadle. Ahmed ibn Ibrahim al ghazi was an arab.

TRUE... there is a different between Gurey and Gragn... but which one Burned Most of habeshland to the ground?? From what i know Gurey was just a governor of a somali region and gragn the left handed was the habesh boogie man. They Didn't even exist in the same time.

Guray was not left handed ?

Ok Hold on Warya... are Both the same or 2 different people??? because if they are both the same then He is no somali.

[Colonel]

How is his clan going to matter now that every single Somali clan is getting butt raped by Habash and Bantu militias? If the Imam was still alive he would disown the whole Somali nation and wouldn't want anything to do with any clan. Allahu naxaristo Imamka May we get another Ahmed Gurey to go on another Futush al Habash.

What's this talk of imam Ahmed Gurey and imam Ahmed al Ghazy behing different characters? Where are your sources for that?

[SahanGalbeed]

Colonel , have you ever told anybody here what Somali tribe you were from ?

[MidriGeez]

How is his clan going to matter now that every single Somali clan is getting butt raped by Habash and Bantu militias? If the Imam was still alive he would disown the whole Somali nation and wouldn't want anything to do with any clan. Allahu naxaristo Imamka May we get another Ahmed Gurey to go on another Futush al Habash.

What's this talk of imam Ahmed Gurey and imam Ahmed al Ghazy behing different characters? Where are your sources for that?

If both are the same Imam then he wasn't somali, he spoke in arabic.

[anonymousfaarax]

TRUE... there is a different between Gurey and Gragn... but which one Burned Most of habeshland to the ground?? From what i know Gurey was just a governor of a somali region and gragn the left handed was the habesh boogie man. They Didn't even exist in the same time.

Guray was not left handed ?

Ok Hold on Warya... are Both the same or 2 different people??? because if they are both the same then He is no somali.

I don't think you get it but yes there were two Ahmeds; who some people confuse.

[Colonel]

Colonel , have you ever told anybody here what Somali tribe you were from ?

I've never been asked but let me assure you my own tribe is also getting it from all sides I have no shame in saying this, why should I when we choose to use foreign gaalo on other Somalis and then complain when it comes back to bite us?

How is his clan going to matter now that every single Somali clan is getting butt raped by Habash and Bantu militias? If the Imam was still alive he would disown the whole Somali nation and wouldn't want anything to do with any clan. Allahu naxaristo Imamka May we get another Ahmed Gurey to go on another Futush al Habash.

What's this talk of imam Ahmed Gurey and imam Ahmed al Ghazy behing different characters? Where are your sources for that?

If both are the same Imam then he wasn't somali, he spoke in arabic.

He wasn't Somali cause he spoke arabic? lol not sure if serious...Many Somalis speak arabic right now so multiply that by 10 in the time when the muslims still had a Caliphate and actually fought for their religion/honour.

If he wasn't Somali like you claim what was he then? And please provide a source my Eritrean friend.

[Aliyyi Oromada]

Ppl will always argue about his identity. You cant do anything about it. Just like it says in the Azania chronicles, victory has a thousand fathers while defeat is a lonely orphan. lol

I honestly dont have any problem with Somalis saying Imam Ahmed was somali, even tho I don't believe he was. I think its more important to focus on your own deeds, rather than try to claim a status thru somebody else.

[metamorphosis]

Was that before or after they plegded their allegiances to him as the boqor of Darood

Bartire have been ruling for centuries. You wouldnt even hear about mjs when bartire were the elite ruling group.

[MidriGeez]

Colonel , have you ever told anybody here what Somali tribe you were from ?

I've never been asked but let me assure you my own tribe is also getting it from all sides I have no shame in saying this, why should I when we choose to use foreign gaalo on other Somalis and then complain when it comes back to bite us?

How is his clan going to matter now that every single Somali clan is getting butt raped by Habash and Bantu militias? If the Imam was still alive he would disown the whole Somali nation and wouldn't want anything to do with any clan. Allahu naxaristo Imamka May we get another Ahmed Gurey to go on another Futush al Habash.

What's this talk of imam Ahmed Gurey and imam Ahmed al Ghazy behing different characters? Where are your sources for that?

If both are the same Imam then he wasn't somali, he spoke in arabic.

He wasn't Somali cause he spoke arabic? lol not sure if serious...Many Somalis speak arabic right now so multiply that by 10 in the time when the muslims still had a Caliphate and actually fought for their religion/honour.

If he wasn't Somali like you claim what was he then? And please provide a source my Eritrean friend.

Ahmed Gragn was known by ahmed gragn the belew to the ethiopians..meaning he was arabised beja, the belew kelew were a known Tribe which produced many leaders and Dominated the horn for a long time, they are also the cradle of the axum Civilzation and are credited with the creation of the tigrigna language, in the 15th , 16th century the belew reached as far as what is north somaliland and mixed with afars and in the north there mix is evident in establishment of the Saho ethnic group, No way Gragn is somali he was an arabised Beja, meaning to today's term Gragn was actually Saho/afar, al ghazi is a big Belew family name, even people who live in arabia with the alghazi tribal name claim that they are of belew descent, I am 100% convinced that gragn is actually Saho they are the agazian/arabised Belew who mixed with afars. In eritrea it's a known fact that the christian king of Midri bahri King isaac who was at constant war with the habesh during that time was related through ancestory to ahmed gragn since the king was also a belew they were allies. hence gragn refused to attack Eritrea and its churches after he burned Habeshland to the ground when all he had to do is cross the river.

[HippoTT]

Ahmed the Conqueror's strongest connection is with the Somali People!

- Ahmed Gurey's wife was the daughter of the Somali general Imam Mahfuz of zayla, under whom he was a knight.

- Ahmed Gurey was born in Zeila, a Somali ruled and dominated city.

- Ahmed Gurey's sister Fardusa was married to his general Mattan Al-Somali, to draw in his archers and troops clad in lavish chain-mail and weaponry

- Ahmed Gurey's aunt had a son called Muhammad bin Ali, who was Sultan of the Somali clan of Sarba

- Ahmed Gurey's other nephew Nur Ibn Mujahid was also a Somali, and became ruler of Harar and the remaining empire.

- Ahmed Gurey and Ahmed Hussein of the clan Girri/Geri are not the same, nor have Somalis confused them as one. Girri/Geri does not mean left-handed, their are many more other Girri Knights mentioned in the Futuh, so those who insult our intelligence and believe we melted a general and his supreme commander into one figure are clutching at straws.

- Ahmed Gurey during his squabble with Sultan Abu Bakr about alm-tax, decided to retire amongst Somalis, and reguraly mediated between two rival clans - an outsider would never have been granted such status amongst Somali clans, nor is it likely an outsider would have sufficient knowledge or language skills to mediate.

The Ethiopians in their translation of the Futuh completely left out any mention of the word "Somali", even their own scholars have pointed out this fraudelent version of history. In their weak attempts to safe face they refer to him as an "Arab" or a bastard of a Ethiopian priest. All these fake theories About Oromos, Afars or Belewes are so shaky and weak, they can't compare to the mountain of connections that link him and his empire to the Somali people in blood, in love, in civilization; all the important cities such as Zayla, Maduna, Abasa, Harar, Berbera were dominated by Somalis and his military was dominated by Somali knights and generals. The futuh not a single time mentions the name "Afar" or "Oromo".

Which is why every scholar about the subject refers to him as a Somali man, regardless of his clan origins (which is fcking unimportant)

1) Edmond Joseph Keller: Led by the charismatic Somali leader Ahmad Gran (Imam Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim El-Ghazi), a coalition of Muslim invaders consisting mainly of Somali and Afar

(2) Chatterji: A Somali chief of Adel, a Muslim state on the Gulf of Aden, named Ahmed ibn Ibrahim by using the new weapon completely overthrew the Ethiopian kingdom

(3) Beckingham: Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi, called 'the left-handed' by the Somali,(gran in Amharic), was a Somali in the service of the ruler of Zeila.

(4) Groves: The leader was a Somali chief, Ahmad ibn Muhammad Gran, Muslim ruler of a border state, who with great energy and resource pressed home the invasion of Abyssinia

(5) Whiteway: He was certainly not an Arab: probably he was a Somali, for we find him closely connected with many who were Somalis.

(6) Langer: Ethiopia was overrun by the Moslem Somali chief, Ahmed Gran, who used firearms

(7) Alexander Bulatovich: "In Portuguese sources he is called King of Adal and Emir of Zeila, and they conjecture that he was Somali" -- from Ethiopia Through Russian Eyes: Country in Transition, 1896-1898

(8) In 1541, when a four-hundred- man Portuguese expedition arrived in Abyssinia, a Somali Moslem leader — Iman Ahmed, known as Gran — was threatening to extinguish the kingdom

(9) Elaine Sanceau: Imam Ahmed, once an obscure Somali warrior from Harar had risen to supremacy among the muslim tribes

(10) Andargachew Tiruneh: Harar, led by Gragn who was probably a Somali, overran the length and breadth of the central and northern Highlands from 1529 to 1543

(11) Saheed A. Adejumobi: Ahmed ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi was a Somali Imam and general who defeated several Ethiopian emperors and wreaked much damage on that nation. He is also known as Ahmad Gran (or Gurey).

(12) M. Th. Houtsma: Shortly afterwards there began the great invasion of the Somali chief, Ahmed b. Muhammed Gran

(13) Walter Yust: Between 1528 and 1540 armies of Mohammedans, under the renowned general Mohammed
Gran (probably a Somali), entered Abyssinia from the low country

(14) Harold Edwin Hurst: Ahmed Gran, who, between 1528 and 1540, overran most of the country. The Portuguese were determined to discover and kill the Somali leader

(15) Paulos Milkias, Getachew Metaferia: Somali Ahmad ibn Ibrahim (known in Ethiopia as Gragn Mohammed - the left handed) ran over the highland and devastated churches and shrines in the 1530s during the reign of Libne Dengel

There is no group in the Horn of Africa with such a strong connection and scholarly backing, ONLY THE SOMALI PEOPLE!

[OliveOil]

Union, what the hell is a "Marehan guilt" ?? Enlighten me brotha!!!



Personally, I don't like a qabiil (any) to be mentioned in a non-qabiil topic...it's understandable if the topic is about qabiil...laakiin meel wax loogu tala galin baa ku cariirinaysaa...see camal??? And while we r at it...I hate it when people talk about the Kacaan...it's in the f-king past...lets move the fuck on as Somalis because the present is heartbreaking...and reminiscing will only make u dislike Somalis in general...ya feels me broski??

[MidriGeez]

Ahmed the Conqueror's strongest connection is with the Somali People!

- Ahmed gurey's wife was the daughter of the Somali general Imam Mahfuz of zayla, under whom he was a knight.

- Ahmed Gurey's sister Fardusa was married to his general Mattan Al-Somali, to draw in his archers and troops clad in lavish chain-mail and weaponry

- Ahmed Gurey's aunt had a son called Muhammad bin Ali, who was Sultan of the Somali clan of Sarba

- Ahmed Gurey's other nephew Nur Ibn Mujahid was also a Somali, and became ruler of Harar and the remaining empire.

- Ahmed Gurey and Ahmed Hussein of the clan Girri/Geri are not the same, nor have Somalis confused them as one. Girri/Geri does not mean left-handed, their are many more other Girri Knights mentioned in the Futuh, so those who insult our intelligence and believe we melted a general and his supreme commander into one figure are clutching at straws.

- Ahmed Gurey during his squabble with Sultan Abu Bakr about alm-tax, decided to retire amongst Somalis, and reguraly mediated between two rival clans - an outsider would never have been granted such status amongst Somali clans, nor is it likely an outsider would have sufficient knowledge or language skills to mediate.

The Ethiopians in their translation of the Futuh completely left out any mention of the word "Somali", even their own scholars have pointed out this fraudelent version of history. In their weak attempts to safe face they refer to him as an "Arab" or a bastard of a Ethiopian priest. All these fake theories About Oromos, Afars or Belewes are so shaky and weak, they can't compare to the mountain of connections that link him and his empire to the Somali people in blood, in love, in civilization; all the important cities such as Zayla, Maduna, Abasa, Harar, Berbera were dominated by Somalis and his military was dominated by Somali knights and generals. The futuh not a single time mentions the name "Afar" or "Oromo".

Which is why every scholar about the subject refers to him as a Somali man, regardless of his clan origins (which is fcking unimportant)

1) Edmond Joseph Keller: Led by the charismatic Somali leader Ahmad Gran (Imam Ahmed Ibn Ibrahim El-Ghazi), a coalition of Muslim invaders consisting mainly of Somali and Afar

(2) Chatterji: A Somali chief of Adel, a Muslim state on the Gulf of Aden, named Ahmed ibn Ibrahim by using the new weapon completely overthrew the Ethiopian kingdom

(3) Beckingham: Ahmad ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi, called 'the left-handed' by the Somali,(gran in Amharic), was a Somali in the service of the ruler of Zeila.

(4) Groves: The leader was a Somali chief, Ahmad ibn Muhammad Gran, Muslim ruler of a border state, who with great energy and resource pressed home the invasion of Abyssinia

(5) Whiteway: He was certainly not an Arab: probably he was a Somali, for we find him closely connected with many who were Somalis.

(6) Langer: Ethiopia was overrun by the Moslem Somali chief, Ahmed Gran, who used firearms

(7) Alexander Bulatovich: "In Portuguese sources he is called King of Adal and Emir of Zeila, and they conjecture that he was Somali" -- from Ethiopia Through Russian Eyes: Country in Transition, 1896-1898

(8) In 1541, when a four-hundred- man Portuguese expedition arrived in Abyssinia, a Somali Moslem leader — Iman Ahmed, known as Gran — was threatening to extinguish the kingdom

(9) Elaine Sanceau: Imam Ahmed, once an obscure Somali warrior from Harar had risen to supremacy among the muslim tribes

(10) Andargachew Tiruneh: Harar, led by Gragn who was probably a Somali, overran the length and breadth of the central and northern Highlands from 1529 to 1543

(11) Saheed A. Adejumobi: Ahmed ibn Ibrahim al Ghazi was a Somali Imam and general who defeated several Ethiopian emperors and wreaked much damage on that nation. He is also known as Ahmad Gran (or Gurey).

(12) M. Th. Houtsma: Shortly afterwards there began the great invasion of the Somali chief, Ahmed b. Muhammed Gran

(13) Walter Yust: Between 1528 and 1540 armies of Mohammedans, under the renowned general Mohammed
Gran (probably a Somali), entered Abyssinia from the low country

(14) Harold Edwin Hurst: Ahmed Gran, who, between 1528 and 1540, overran most of the country. The Portuguese were determined to discover and kill the Somali leader

(15) Paulos Milkias, Getachew Metaferia: Somali Ahmad ibn Ibrahim (known in Ethiopia as Gragn Mohammed - the left handed) ran over the highland and devastated churches and shrines in the 1530s during the reign of Libne Dengel

There is no group in the Horn of Africa with such a strong connection and scholarly backing, ONLY THE SOMALI PEOPLE!

Belew are weak???? Come on... Lets look at their past kings... ashrem abher the one who recieved the sahaba and defeated the habesh king his kingdom was from south east egypt to today Djbouti/north somaliland, King isaac who fought till his death against the habesh and was ally of ahmed gragn, the belew Created D'MT kingdom, axum empire, executed 50,000 habesh in a single day and kicked out another 50,000 when they second wave arrived in eritrea 2500 years ago, the lineage of the 12 axum kings claim to be agazian Belew including King Ezana, My favourite King zura who beheaded the habesh king abraha (The elephant King) and executed all his army. Descandents of the Belew Qabil....


Oldest Stele in East africa Build By the belew 1000 b.c In their ancient Capital MATARA.




You can't say belew are Weak.. They are the cradle of Eritrean History.. they Created a language (Tigrigna) and modified a writing System to create what we see today as the Fidal lita writing system. Belew Controlled North somali area's for LONG TIME, belew are known to be the Habesh a** kickers since the sheba days, the habesh, amhara and agew paid them yearly taxes and gifts for 700 years just to be on their good side from the 8th century till the 15th century. Be careful saxb Belew for Eritreans is like Dirr for many somali's, they are the ancestors of many eritreans.

[AbdiWahab252]

Ppl will always argue about his identity. You cant do anything about it. Just like it says in the Azania chronicles, victory has a thousand fathers while defeat is a lonely orphan. lol

I honestly dont have any problem with Somalis saying Imam Ahmed was somali, even tho I don't believe he was. I think its more important to focus on your own deeds, rather than try to claim a status thru somebody else.

Soon, they will be quoting from the beloved chronicles.