RE: Peace down south means war up North

[The_Emperior5]

i don't wish ill for any one but why would Puntland be a bad or go wrong they are doing fine their region is pretty much peaceful what ideology should they change they support the unity with Somalia they want equal share from the TFG and want federalism that's what they want why should they change their ideology.

i can understand for you're hate against Somaliland since you hate isaaq and they wont change their political ideology for any one or any clan or tribe or country in the world , but why the hate against you're own darood brothers in Puntland who did well for them selves and established peace and stability in their region Most people can visit Puntland garowe galkayo qardho or any other place and its open for other Somalis so why do you want clan wars there?

[XimanJaale]

Dawwa river is only in Somalia for a few miles and other than for aesthetic reasons and small uses isn't really used. It can hardly be counted as being a Somali river.

If its 80 miles or 1000 miles its still a river in Somalia.

Many people in Beled-Xaawo district and Doolow district use Dawwa river, so I don't know why you are saying it is not used.

In the national framework, Somalia has 3 rivers. You should accept the reality. Don't turn it into a debate

[Shirib]

XimanJaale,

ur points are flawed.

Why would peace in southern Somalia mean war in the north? Are u saying that the south would go make on Puntland and Somaliland if they get peace?

Secondly, business is business, there is no reason why someone would relocate his business just because his town or village has peace now. People go to their clan lands in times of war, not peace. Before the war, people lived everywhere, if peace returned to southern Somalia expect the same. Its more likely for people to move away from their clan lands not stay there.

Unless the business situation in Somaliland and Puntland changes, don't expect people to just move back. There's no reason to expect that.

[Shirib]

Dawwa river is only in Somalia for a few miles and other than for aesthetic reasons and small uses isn't really used. It can hardly be counted as being a Somali river.

If its 80 miles or 1000 miles its still a river in Somalia.

Many people in Beled-Xaawo district and Doolow district use Dawwa river, so I don't know why you are saying it is not used.

In the national framework, Somalia has 3 rivers. You should accept the reality. Don't turn it into a debate

lool ur speaking of streams that run off the jubba into another river as a river of its own, even though no academic would ever say Somalia has 3 rivers okay, if it makes u feel better

[NewHargeisaGirl]

Shirib aka Eelay aka Geeleti whatever... can u help me?

[XimanJaale]

i don't wish ill for any one but why would Puntland be a bad or go wrong they are doing fine their region is pretty much peaceful what ideology should they change they support the unity with Somalia they want equal share from the TFG and want federalism that's what they want why should they change their ideology.

i can understand for you're hate against Somaliland since you hate isaaq and they wont change their political ideology for any one or any clan or tribe or country in the world , but why the hate against you're own darood brothers in Puntland who did well for them selves and established peace and stability in their region Most people can visit Puntland garowe galkayo qardho or any other place and its open for other Somalis so why do you want clan wars there?

Waraa iidoor boy, don't twist my words. I'm not wishing ill for anybody, I'm clearing stating what can happen in North Somalia because of the article Waryaa posted. It clearly says that if South Somalia gets peaceful then the North will turn into war. Marka I have elobrated this article into my own thinking.

Marka calaacalka iyo sly'nimada iska joooji.

Sly idiot.

[Shirib]

Shirib aka Eelay aka Geeleti whatever... can u help me?

what do u need?

[XimanJaale]

lool ur speaking of streams that run off the jubba into another river as a river of its own, even though no academic would ever say Somalia has 3 rivers okay, if it makes u feel better

Do you know what a stream is?

This is a stream (near Garbahaarey):





Now do you call the Dawwa river a stream?

Dawwa river:




Please quit acting silly, Somalia has 3 RIVERS.

[NewHargeisaGirl]

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[XimanJaale]

XimanJaale,

ur points are flawed.

Why would peace in southern Somalia mean war in the north? Are u saying that the south would go make on Puntland and Somaliland if they get peace?

Secondly, business is business, there is no reason why someone would relocate his business just because his town or village has peace now. People go to their clan lands in times of war, not peace. Before the war, people lived everywhere, if peace returned to southern Somalia expect the same. Its more likely for people to move away from their clan lands not stay there.

Unless the business situation in Somaliland and Puntland changes, don't expect people to just move back. There's no reason to expect that.

My points are not flawed, I'm just eloborating an article Waryaa posted.

When the South gets peaceful, the north will turn into war because of the reasons i stated in my intial post on this thread.

Regarding business, 50% of the business in North Somalia are owned by people from South Somalia. Also many of the livestocks of South Somalia go through North Somalia, but when peace occurs in South Somalia, the economy of the North will plunger and the Southenrs will return to their land and the livestocks of South Somalia will go through ports in the South.

[ToughGong]

KEEP DREAMING!

[NoAngst.]

Dawwa river is only in Somalia for a few miles and other than for aesthetic reasons and small uses isn't really used. It can hardly be counted as being a Somali river.

Dawwa "river" is part of Somalia as it forms the boundary between Somalia and Ethiopia. It is not technically a river in the same sense as Jubba and Shabbeele, it is more of a tributary of the Jubba river where it eventually empties into it.

Interestingly, I was reading just few days ago an article in english about irrigation work along the Dawa river by some NGO. Apparently the banks of the river were abondoned in the 1960s due to hostilities between SOmalia and Ethiopia and as a result the area became wild bush illsuited for farming. To assist recent drought victims the NGO cleared the bush, installed irrigation equipment and now the region is floorishing veg and fruit farms.

Somalia is blessed with so many resources but deficient in human capital. Would ethnic Somalis have done what that NGO did on their own? Doubt it. They're too busy chopping down every tree to export it to the Gulf countries as charcoal.

[Cirwaaq]

The people in Somaliland will be divided into pro-independence vs anti-independence, people in the peaceful south will fund the anti-independence rebel etc.

Let us hope it does not come to that.

[Shirib]

can u post the article, i didn't read it.

the ports and livestock is a legit statement. But why would the average other businessman move? There's no reason to assume that the average store owner, doctor, etc. would pack up from Boosaaso and move to Xamar just because Xamar became peaceful. There has to be a business reason to move, and I don't see one.

[XimanJaale]

can u post the article, i didn't read it.

the ports and livestock is a legit statement. But why would the average other businessman move? There's no reason to assume that the average store owner, doctor, etc. would pack up from Boosaaso and move to Xamar just because Xamar became peaceful. There has to be a business reason to move, and I don't see one.

If you should had read my intial post properly you wouldn't be so confused.

The southerners that created businesses in the North let it be Somaliland or Puntland let it be Garowe or Hargeysa. They created businesses there because of the peace, that what caused them to create businesses there instead of the land they fled in the south. Once peace prevails, in their land they will go back to the place they fled and 'develop' their own land.

p.s. economy is not the only reason that i stated that can cause war in the north when the south gets peace.