Ex Hijabis

[Adali]

Do I sympathize with them, yes of course, they mentioned something about being harassed whiles wearing Hijaab and I can understand that, I have observed this first hand, some British(english) fella gave a Somali sister a strange look and it really ticked me off, I just instinctively felt I had to smash the guys head in, but the guy was wide and large so I just told him to sod off.

[jalaaludin5]

They had to be Americans.

No surprise there, i don't even think of "american muslims" as real musmis.

[daiman]

I feel sorry for them, saddened. However, their imaan is weak, and they might have been brainwashed into believing that the hijab isn't mandatory.

I knew a convert sister ( English though I suspected that she was Jewish origin....). She argued with me that women without hijab but who prays and fasts are practising Muslims. I said no, the first thing for a practising Muslim do is to observe hijab ie to cover up her cawrah. Then she told me that I do not know anything and that those sisters are Arabic speaking sister so they know better
She herlsef wore hijab though.

Do you think, I was wrong?

I don't know what her having Jewish origin got anything to with the story here, or what she says? It is sad when people see the Jewish boogeyman in everything. Similar to how everything evil is being associated with Muslims now-days.

Whilst covering yourself is VERY important no doubt, it can NEVER ever be in the same weight as the prayer, which is ONE of the foundation of the deen.

Trying to be clever eh? did I even suggest it was something to do with her jewish origin? I just put that an extra-information. Because I did not like that she told me that the Arabic orgin sisters knew better because they are Arabs
when she was a Jewish orgin. She made few arrogant asserations too.

Do not be so stupid.


Anyhow, I asked aquestion relavnt to the hijab question. And you did not answer.

I asked: Can a Muslim woman who does not observer Hijaab, but prays and fasts be called a practising Muslim?

Of course prayers and fasting are parties of obligatory deeds, but selecting some of the obligatory deeds does not make you a practising Muslim. It just makes you a muslim. That is what I told that ex-friend of mine and then she ditched me in the street

[VeiledGarbasar]

Trying to be clever eh? did I even suggest it was something to do with her jewish origin? I just put that an extra-information. Because I did not like that she told me that the Arabic orgin sisters knew better because they are Arabs
when she was a Jewish orgin. She made few arrogant asserations too.

Do not be so stupid.


Anyhow, I asked aquestion relavnt to the hijab question. And you did not answer.

I asked: Can a Muslim woman who does not observer Hijaab, but prays and fasts be called a practising Muslim?

Of course prayers and fasting are parties of obligatory deeds, but selecting some of the obligatory deeds does not make you a practising Muslim. It just makes you a muslim. That is what I told that ex-friend of mine and then she ditched me in the street

It depends what you call a practising Muslim. Can we also call a person who is busy backbiting a 'practising muslim?' The answer would be no, if we are to follow your logic. Since, not observing the hijab and backbiting are both major sins? My point is, she is doing the required acts for her to be considered MUSLIM. On top of that YES she is a practising Muslim, she is just not fully practising. If we are to take into account sinful acts, then most of us won't be practising muslims. We sin daily. As for me, striving to practise is what matters, trying to do what is required is what matters, definitely praying is the MOST important one.

Btw sweetie, praying is not an act that is on the same level as the hijab? ONE is the foundation of the deen called Islam, the other is what is expected of a muslimah.

I suspect your friend ditched you because you were probably busy calling her 'stupid' than rather discussing the argument as befitting a Muslimah.

[ManD333q]

there are three different kind of Hijabis: where do you fit?

Bad hair hijabis ( take i off when gets her hair done)
Culture hijabis: forced to wear it either by threat or because people would look different on them (take it off at weddings or she runs from home)
Muslim hijabis (Never take it off when around non-mahrems)

[daiman]

Trying to be clever eh? did I even suggest it was something to do with her jewish origin? I just put that an extra-information. Because I did not like that she told me that the Arabic orgin sisters knew better because they are Arabs
when she was a Jewish orgin. She made few arrogant asserations too.

Do not be so stupid.


Anyhow, I asked aquestion relavnt to the hijab question. And you did not answer.

I asked: Can a Muslim woman who does not observer Hijaab, but prays and fasts be called a practising Muslim?

Of course prayers and fasting are parties of obligatory deeds, but selecting some of the obligatory deeds does not make you a practising Muslim. It just makes you a muslim. That is what I told that ex-friend of mine and then she ditched me in the street

It depends what you call a practising Muslim. Can we also call a person who is busy backbiting a 'practising muslim?' The answer would be no, if we are to follow your logic. Since, not observing the hijab and backbiting are both major sins? My point is, she is doing the required acts for her to be considered MUSLIM. On top of that YES she is a practising Muslim, she is just not fully practising. If we are to take into account sinful acts, then most of us won't be practising muslims. We sin daily. As for me, striving to practise is what matters, trying to do what is required is what matters, definitely praying is the MOST important one.

Btw sweetie, praying is not an act that is on the same level as the hijab? ONE is the foundation of the deen called Islam, the other is what is expected of a muslimah.

I suspect your friend ditched you because you were probably busy calling her 'stupid' than rather discussing the argument as befitting a Muslimah.

I refuse to accept that your that dump the logic of my question, and going out your way to make comments on why the friend ditched me??
Listen:

I wrote this:

The friend made few arrogant comments (about other things that i did not mention here).
She wanted me to accept that those women sh talked about ( I never seen the other women) it was her who were tellling me about them then suggested that they are practising Muslim.

I then said that a Muslim woman without a hijab is not a practsing Muslim, she is observing some obligations. Whether those obligations are more important than the others were not the question. But I believe if it is OK not to wear hijab, then it would not have been mentioned in the Quran as a commond, so someone who did not follow that commend cannot be a practising Muslim. I do not see the parellel of sin(backbitting and not wearing hijab). taht is just absurd.

Second, the ex-friend told me that the sisters she talked about are Arabs so they know better than I do. I tried to explain to her that Islam requires knowledge and taqwah not racial affiliation and that is when I was ditched.


Either read my post on context or stop being silly.

[VeiledGarbasar]

I can't keep talking with you back and forth, and I'm sorry that you feel your 'logic' is being challenged, but rest assure you point has some valid point, my dear.

It is simple backbiting is a MAJOR sin, just like observing the hijab is, there is nothing absurd about it, and there is no shame in reading and finding out the major sins in Islam.

You are SAYING, a person who doesn't put the hijab on is not practising muslim, I'm saying well that can be said for all the major sins? Or do you only consider not putting the hijab on as a major sin?

A person is a practising muslim when they are doing the obligations of Islam first and foremost, next they work on not committing the major sins, then the lesser ones.

[daiman]

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Just for your sake, simplify things in your head:

Falling into sin or commiting sin is different not carrying out the obligatory deeds. Hijaab is a MUST not an option.
To be a practsing Muslim, you have have to do all the obligatory duties.

But making mistakes, falling to zin etc is beside the point.

Got it? hope so.

You obvliously come diinta as an adult

[salool]

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Just for your sake, simplify things in your head:

Falling into sin or commiting sin is different not carrying out the obligatory deeds. Hijaab is a MUST not an option.
To be a practsing Muslim, you have have to do all the obligatory duties.

But making mistakes, falling to zin etc is beside the point.

Got it? hope so.

You obvliously come diinta as an adult

This is a public forum huuno and every member have the right to reply and state their opinions wether you like it or not.


As for the argument you're having, salaadu wa waxa ugu horaya ee lagu waydiinaya akhiro.Wax kasta iyada ka horaysa.

[jalaaludin5]

So they don't think the headscarf has islamic roots, but that its origin is in the arabic culture, yet they still wear it to pray?

Women!

[VeiledGarbasar]

^^ That is what I mean.

Not observing hijab is a MAJOR sin no doubt, but that does NOT mean one is not a practicing sister? Undoubtedly we are in difficult times, a lot and I mean a lot of Muslims these days repeatedly commit major sins, does this mean we are not practicing Muslims? What is a practicing Muslims?

With regard to belief, if a Muslim who prays commits some sins or bad deeds, he is still a Muslim so long as he does not commit any action which would put him beyond the pale of Islam or do any of the things which nullify Islam.

Sins are divided into two categories, minor and major. Minor sins may be expiated for by prayer, fasting and righteous deeds. There are many kinds of major sins such as lying, zinaa, riba (usury/interest), stealing, not wearing hijaab at all, and so on.

http://islamqa.info/en/ref/7436

So I come to diinta as an Adult. Read that darling. I believe it says not wearing the hijab is a MAJOR sin, it doesn't say they aren't a practising muslim, as a matter of fact he said:

It is strange indeed that a woman whose character is good, and who prays and fasts and does not look at boys, and avoids gossip and backbiting, does not wear hijaab. If a person really achieves these righteous deeds, this is a strong indication that she loves goodness and hates evil.

Somalis are superficial people. The outward is more important to them than the inward. Hebelayo who wears the hijab and abaaya, but engrossed in backbiting is a practicing muslim, yet not the sister down the road who doesn't wear hijab but busy with prayers, dhikr and abstains from most major sins.

Give me break.

[VeiledGarbasar]

It is sad. May Allah swt forgive us.

[union]

People make it seem as if abstaining from wearing the hijab fundamentally transforms a woman. I thought imaan was something that you carry in the heart, not a piece of cloth you wear like a holier than thou badge.

[DisplacedDiraac]

So they don't think the headscarf has islamic roots, but that its origin is in the arabic culture, yet they still wear it to pray?

Exactly.. Dont know whether to take females like that serious or not..

[Alphanumeric]

What is a "practicing Muslim"? Are they better than "regular" Muslims? Is a "non-practicing" Muslim an "irregular" Muslim? What's the difference between a "non-practicing"/"irregular" Muslim and a "non-"Muslim?

If someone doesn't play basketball, are they still a basketball player?