PL new constition allow southeis to apply for citizenship

[SahanGalbeed]

Haddeyna Puntland hore u lahayn dastuur , iyo waxay daiman sheegayso ay dhab tahay {until a federal constitution is drafted } , intaaney doorashooyin dhicin oo an xisbiyo la kala samaysan , horta waa in laga soo bilaaba dastuurka
Wallahi aad bu inooga dambeeya daaroodku ....Ilayn daarood o dhan i sow Puntland ku ma faano

Puntland had a constitution before kumeel gaar buu ahaa lakiin. This one is permanent and federal

War abdalow , waxa ku qoran meesha , pending a national referendum.
Maxay ka dhigantahay ? sida ay sheegayso daiman weeyan .
Until , mid national ah la sameeyo , tan baad ku soconaysaan.
Dastuur la'an na , siyasadi ba ma'ba jirto .
Faroole , multi party system bu idin la raba baan filaya .

PS: Aniga naagaha jikaarka badan la i ma tuso , walaashey ila dhalatay haddey ahayd na waan dhirbaaxi laha .
Naagahu qabyaalad shaqo ba ku ma laha . You are not gonna reinvent the "game" !

[eliteSomali]

WTF is southies? you guys cannot be serious.

[abdalla11]

Haddeyna Puntland hore u lahayn dastuur , iyo waxay daiman sheegayso ay dhab tahay {until a federal constitution is drafted } , intaaney doorashooyin dhicin oo an xisbiyo la kala samaysan , horta waa in laga soo bilaaba dastuurka
Wallahi aad bu inooga dambeeya daaroodku ....Ilayn daarood o dhan i sow Puntland ku ma faano

Puntland had a constitution before kumeel gaar buu ahaa lakiin. This one is permanent and federal

War abdalow , waxa ku qoran meesha , pending a national referendum.
Maxay ka dhigantahay ? sida ay sheegayso daiman weeyan .
Until , mid national ah la sameeyo , tan baad ku soconaysaan.
Dastuur la'an na , siyasadi ba ma'ba jirto .
Faroole , multi party system bu idin la raba baan filaya .

PS: Aniga naagaha jikaarka badan la i ma tuso , walaashey ila dhalatay haddey ahayd na waan dhirbaaxi laha .
Naagahu qabyaalad shaqo ba ku ma laha . You are not gonna reinvent the "game" !

LOL waa tee daimantaad ku waalatay? You mean Damu?

No, the ' independent status' of PL is pending on the development of the TFG, the constitution itself is not pending on TFG. This constitution is permanent.

[SahanGalbeed]

Sorry damu waa runta .
It cannot be permament , waa totally nonsensical markaas .
Okay , do me a favor , the federal constituion iyo tan maxay ku kala duwanyihin ?
How can anybody "become" a citizen of a state within a country , according to its birth in that state ?
If it is what you say it is , it's tottaly OPPOSITE the general direction we thought Somalia's going
It's neither 1993 Somaliland's constitution as a seperate country ,nor is it the Federal Constitution of Somalia , right ?
What is he trying to acheive marka ?

[abdalla11]

waxay ku kala duwanyihiin wax badan the main thing is that the federal constition doesn't even exist, its being drafted as we speak lol. PL played smart, by drafting it earlier than the TFG, the federal constitution has to lean towards the PL constitution.

As for becoming a citizen of a State within a country: we've already pointed out that Hong Kong which is part of China has its own citizenship and people from mainland china apply for it.

[tightrope]

waxay ku kala duwanyihiin wax badan the main thing is that the federal constition doesn't even exist, its being drafted as we speak lol. PL played smart, by drafting it earlier than the TFG, the federal constitution has to lean towards the PL constitution.

As for becoming a citizen of a State within a country: we've already pointed out that Hong Kong which is part of China has its own citizenship and people from mainland china apply for it.

[Khalid Ali]

But Hongkong is not a federal state under China its a Special administrative region a Confederal region i believe that is not the form of federalism Somalia wants where there is citizenship and i also believe Puntland will not remain an autonomous region for ever , What if Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb and azania does the same what will be left of Somalia if every one has his own Constitution i thought Somalia wanted a strong federal government in Mogadishu with federal states like America Now you have a country with in a Country

[SahanGalbeed]

Abdallah 11 , thank you . I am not gonna further pass judgement except I , like I have made it clear already , oppose a one subclan "gov/ self governing territory .
Hong Kong has a history of which Puntland is definitely not the closest

[tightrope]

But Hongkong is not a federal state under China its a Special administrative region a Confederal region i believe that is not the form of federalism Somalia wants where there is citizenship and i also believe Puntland will not remain an autonomous region for ever , What if Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb and azania does the same what will be left of Somalia if every one has his own Constitution i thought Somalia wanted a strong federal government in Mogadishu with federal states like America Now you have a country with in a Country

AZANIA DOES NOT EXIST, GALHUTU AND XIMAN&XAAR ARE NON-FACTORS.
HONG KONG IS SELF-GOVERNED LIKE PUNTLAND. PL HAS GOVERNED ITSELF FOR ALMOST 14 YEARS WHILE SOUTHIES WERE LOOTING, RAPING, AND KILLING EACH OTHER FOR 21?
NO FOCKING WAY ZOOMALIA WILL HAVE ANY POWER IN PUNTLAND.

[Khalid Ali]

Tighrope Sooner or later the federal constitution will be the superior Constitution for Puntland and as abdalle said they can try to influence it as much as they want in their favor the Puntlanders but it will be in-conflict with the rest of the people of Somalia Hawiye rahanweyn and Merehan. Since they will not allow Puntland to get a special status when they get their act together ma fahantay huuno.

[GeoSeven]

Somaliland said we dont want anything to do with you, peace onto you and macasalaamah, I dont support this but at least its clear talk. Puntland says we dont want anything to do with you but were still part of the same country....now this shit is just confusing and sooner or later the South is gonna really get annoyed. Nimanyahow lafihiina u cabsada oo musuqmaasuqa naga dhaafa. We tryna build a country and start from scratch here....yall look like you wanna destroy

[grandpakhalif]

it is good if puntland seperates from Somalia. marehan will be happy, ethiopia will be happy, hawiye will be happy

i support independent puntland.

[Khalid Ali]

Somaliland said we dont want anything to do with you, peace onto you and macasalaamah, I dont support this but at least its clear talk. Puntland says we dont want anything to do with you but were still part of the same country....now this shit is just confusing and sooner or later the South is gonna really get annoyed. Nimanyahow lafihiina u cabsada oo musuqmaasuqa naga dhaafa. We tryna build a country and start from scratch here....yall look like you wanna destroy

Puntlanders are smart Walahi they build a state just for themselves designed and established as the former Sultanate of Sultan Ali Yusuf and Boqor Osman in the late 19 century only this time the little darods are also incorporated. They keep demanding at least 40% what ever the south gets TFG the Darood seat 4.5 automatically goes to them they keep sending Prime Minister after Prime Minister to Mogadishu to keep the Hawiye and Rahanweyn and Merehaan busy he signs every international deal on behalf of his real president Faroole .They have their own flag constitution army police navy traditional leadership any one who criticises their politics and policies is a hater because he is against federalism they shout the loudest Somalinimo Somalia ma kala maranto They are now playing ugandan and Djibouti role in Somalia we used to hear Djibouti accord and kampala accord now we hear Garowe accord and Garowe principles and now we even hear galkacyo accord.The rest of the Poor koonfurians cant do much because if they do Puntland will threaten them that they are against the federal structure of Somalia and they will be labeled as spoilers by the state department Faroole has an excellent Foreign policy.They are now even drafting the new federal constitution for their own interests. They don't send troops to Somalia to fight against Alshabaab only if the head of state is one of them. The rest of the People of Somalia doesn't know Puntland is building a whole country with in a country the poor masses in the south as long as you sing Somalia toosooy they will support you The rest of Somalia think this is what federalism is all about building countries with in a country Somalis are not familiar with federalism if it continues like this Majeerteens will be the Tigrays of Somalia a Minority ruling the Majority

[mody21]

But Hongkong is not a federal state under China its a Special administrative region a Confederal region i believe that is not the form of federalism Somalia wants where there is citizenship and i also believe Puntland will not remain an autonomous region for ever , What if Galmudug and ximan iyo xeeb and azania does the same what will be left of Somalia if every one has his own Constitution i thought Somalia wanted a strong federal government in Mogadishu with federal states like America Now you have a country with in a Country

PL has no intention of leaving somali, but at the same time there is not somalia as of yet there is a region which was once called somali, so how do you expect pl to put their lives on hold for somalia?. when the south get their shit together , then you can say , PL is doing something wrong by having its own constitution, but since the south doesn't have a constitution there are no opposing factors , I believe Pl is gearing itself toward independence or at least making a plan B just in case the south doesn't get their act together. Right now its a waiting game, were Pl is trying to determine how much time is enough time, and how much time is too little time. If ten years from now somalia is the same as today, is that enough time to come to a conclusion about the prospect of somali? or do we wait 15 mybe 20 years more, I believe PL is signaling its dis-enchantment with the statuesque of somalia, they are essentially saying, we wont wait forever. The difference is that Pl is giving the south time to get its house in order whereas somaliland took the first opportunity and run. I genuinely believe Pl wants somali to have peace, and I also believe if somali were to have peace PL would not directly oppose a somali national constitution and would more likely change their own to fit the new constitution.

[fighter]

Somalis have got to be the most uneducated bunch I have ever come across.

Hong Kong was under control of the British for basically a century. During British rule, Hong Kong was "westernized". The culture of both Hong Kong and the rest of China were radically different and still is. China has given a 50 year period for Hong Kong to become integrated with mainland China. Once the 50 year period is done, Hong Kong will cease to have its own passport, flag, currency and its own system of governance. China has the power to veto anything in Hong Kong regarding its politics and China has the FINAL SAY over ANYTHING.

SMH.