Somaliland govt launches 4million airport project in Berbera

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Abdi Ismail and Gurey at it again over the same topic. ahahaha very interesting guys.

I think 15,000 well trained and equiped could do any task given to them almost flawlessly.

However, we also need ton of reserves that would otherwise retain their routine civilian life but in time of war, ready to do their patriotic duties.

economic development is the main point of this topic, not the millitary part.
as i said before our forces are nearly useless, its a make work program or welfare program for ex SNM,
but how manyEX-SNM are left i think less than half of our army closer to 1/3 are veterans of the war of independance.

shouldnt we retire most of them, give them a pension and build houses for them, and interest free loans to start businesses.
This would be much better for them, the more usefull vetrens could be used as a cadre to form new units from conscripts.

This allows us to expand the army while not spending much, and taking care of our mujahids at the same time.

The conscripts should be put to work building roads, bridges, housing complexes , dams, canals and farms, like they do in Eritrea.
They should be provided with training in skills like carpentry, mechanics, electricians etc etc so they could do their job better.

they should be in service for 2 years, and at the end of the 3 years the best should be promoted into the regular army ang get regular army pay at $100 a month+
while during conscription they should be geting $25 a month the first year, $ 35 the second year and then released into civilian life.

2 years of no qad, work, and learning would benefit the society, and i forgot that literacy should also be part of the training.

idealy the regular army should be reduced to 8000-10000 supported by another 10,000-20,000 because every year 10,000 should be conscripted.

Wouldn't it be more useful to promote exSNM and disband the rest. Start fresh by enlisting young recruits and also building military colleges which admit 9 year olds after nursery/preschool - this would ensure we have no lack of talented future commanders.

[gurey25]

So you agree, the larger army has the overwhelming advantage and is therefore much more likely to win?

no not most of the time, but in our situation yes.
We are fortunate because god has blessed us with an excellent strategic situation.
against any other possible somali opposition we will be able to field 2 X the number of soldeirs at any given time, even with our fuked up logistical network.
We are also fortunate that all our potential opposition are us fuked up as us, only alshabab are superior to us and they number only 5000.
If all of alhabaab were transported magically to the borders and given enough supplies for a month, they could run a swathe through us all the way to burco..

in this scenario your belief in numbers becomes relevant because we could drown them in numbers.

al their somali opposition in the south ahlu sunna and galmudug and barre hiraale forces have less manpower than alshabaab and are far inferior tactically.
The AU troops can match alshabaab in numbers but they also have heavy weapons which accounts for allot of force as well.
Au troops are lucky because the price of explosive reactive armour add on has dropped signifigantly, you can now armour your tank with ERA with as little as $30,000 thanks to to chinese and Russian/Ukranians.
This means that in the past you could knock out the T-55's the Ugandans have right now in moqadishu with a RPG-7 by hitting the well known weakpoints. with one shot.
With ERA it could take several shots.
I heard that Alshabab hit practically every Ugandan tank more than once and 1 was repaired and only was was taken out.


Abdi numbers are important and have a value of their own, but other factors are important.
right now puntlands militia is as much a joke as ours, probably even more but with a few changes here and there that do not cost much money at all, you can turn it into a far superior force than ours.
Small practical changes can be implemented right now for little money that can raise the quality significantly.
what i am talking about is quite obvious and well known and i am sure its the first thing the South African trainers have tried as they stepped off the plane,.

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Lol, are you kidding me? Alshabab are beyond retarded when it comes to tactics and have no strategy. The only reason they pose even the slightest threat is because of the sheer ineptitude of the other fighters in xamar. They are just more organised and determined (perhaps their greatest asset) than the other low-lives. All they do is employ is uncoordinated and unplanned hit-and-run tactics that kills 20 innocent somali bystanders and scratches an AU soldier's arm. They have no over-all aim and are absolutely awful in propaganda and psych-warfare as well since the average somali has more to fear from them than a ugandan or a kenyan.

In that type an engagement where there is no air-support (no somali army has any jet-fighters or bombers), it's heavy ground troops and mobile artillery that win. Splitting your forces in half and stationing one half in the corridor between Mog and Kismayo to secure a supply line by road and sea. And sending the other half by ship, boat and STOL cargo planes to surround kismayo by a combined land and amphibious assault. Bomabrd it with mortas and Howitzers from sea and tank from the land. Once the city is taken or destroyed, you can the emlpoy subtler methods in undermining this org.

Although I don't think al-shabaab can ever completely be gotten rid of, they're like a virus or something.

[gurey25]

on the surface things looks simple, but you are not looking at them with great detail..
i do and i find them brilliant..

alshabaab are brilliant, i have tonnes of respect for them.
they have zero propaganda, or strategic insight ,

but when it comes down to guerrilla tactics they are brilliant, and they have shown the ability, to fight a mobile battle with technicals better than anyone in somalia as well.
and more important they have mastered the art of concealment , the Ethiopians have given up air attacks because of alshabaabs ability to hide.
they only fear american UAVs.

abdi you are forgetting alshabaab is not entirely somali, they have the experience of the chechen war, afghanistan, and many many more.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

on the surface things looks simple, but you are not looking at them with great detail..
i do and i find them brilliant..

alshabaab are brilliant, i have tonnes of respect for them.
they have zero propaganda, or strategic insight ,

but when it comes down to guerrilla tactics they are brilliant, and they have shown the ability, to fight a mobile battle with technicals better than anyone in somalia as well.
and more important they have mastered the art of concealment , the Ethiopians have given up air attacks because of alshabaabs ability to hide.
they only fear american UAVs.

abdi you are forgetting alshabaab is not entirely somali, they have the experience of the chechen war, afghanistan, and many many more.

I thought that was a myth or at least greatly exaggerated. But they are tough sons-of-bitches, I'll give them that.

Lol @ethiopians air-force.