Lamagodle whats with all the anger
Lamgoodle wrote:Then came Gurey25 (qabil sodomised number 1) and we started a discussion on “xawaalaha”. Although the core spat between me and others centred on “ayuuto” this character wrote a few lines on Xawaala. Frankly speaking there was nothing to discuss with him. He was just beating about the bush. Nevertheless he provided some illustrations based on “maxaa la yiri” nonsense instead of a sound argument (read logical, rational and scientifically appraised). Mind you, you don’t have to be an authority on “Islamic jurisprudence” to know that the Xawaala system is based on making money on money (a key tenet of usury which is banned in islam). You and I know that we are paying a lot of money in so called services ( progressive). In addition, had we used the formal channels of money transfers (Bank) a lot of somalis will claim that we are engaged in xaaram.
seriously bro i was just too curious about your strange idea that xawala involves interest.
wel if they charge too much it would be price gouging but since they did not lend any credit and charge interest on it i dont think this is the case.
but you are correct in that essentially none of us can escape interest in this world.
The stranglehold of capitalism is supreme in that it permeates nearly all economic activity in the world and nearly all regions even in the depths of the congo jungle to the nomads of somalia.
The entire worlds economic system is based on interest and you cannot it escape this entirely , what you can and should do is to strive towards resisting this
domination. Why should you be doing this? It is because it is clearly defined as xaraam by allah, his prophet muhammed scw the khulafa al rashidun and the founders of the schools of fiqh especially imam malik, shafici and even abu hanaifa that spent the majority of their time and effort on this subject.
for example if you measure it by the content of his writing Imam Malik spent most of his work on highlighting all the dozens of different forms of interest and all the different methods people use to attempt to using riba.
The difference between you and me is that you have a narrow understanding of this subject, this is because you think you and I are debating about the definition of interest and economics as defined by economic text books.
You do not understand where i am coming from and i hope you at least try to understand this .
I am looking at the history of economic thought and its practice from recorded history to the evolution of the current capitalist system
you on the other hand are looking at how this all encompasing economic system works and assume that this is how things have always worked,
this is how it will always be. You seem to think that economics is a science when it is not !!.
There is micro economics which comes closest to a science and with which there is little debate and there is macro economics.
This is where the different economic theories and schools come in.
From the Liberals, neo-liberals, the austrians, the marxists, the keynsians, etc etc.
The first step is to free yourself from this intellectual domination, which i suspect you have and frankly the majority of muslims have as well.
Then you need to take a wider view.
another misconception you may have about me is that i am one the typical muslims you discuss this topic with,
you do not realize that the Salafi movement started in Al azhar of all places, and the founders were modernists just like you who were in awe of the west,
the pedigree goes back to jamal al din al afghani, and his student Muhammed abdu, and his student rashid ridda.
Muhamed abdu was made grand mufti of egypt by his close friend Lord cromer the real ruler of egypt, and his first action was to issue a fatwa that insterst was not riba.
The salafi movement and the wahabis and even the muslim brotherhood ( hassan banna was a student of Rashid ridda) do not and will not discuss this issue with you.When confronted they will resort to saying that it is daruura. a necessity because of the total domination of the capitalist west.
In fiqh daruurah is a legal instrument in cases of extreme necessity, for example lets say you are stuck on a desert and all you have to eat is are some pigs on the island.
In this case it is fard to eat that pig. but lets say a ship gets wrecked on the shore with no survivors but a pair or goats?
Do you continue to eat the pigs?
Do you start breeding them and say it is daruura.
This is what they are doing with Islamic banks, which are identical to regular banks.
They have twisted the instrument of qirad, or Mudaraba to correspond to regular interest banking, making them exactly the same,
whats worse most islamic banks charge a "profit rate"
higher than the interest rate of regular banks.
