Happy brith day Prophet Mohamed scw mawliid

[AhlulbaytSoldier]

Sufis claim to have more ilmi than sahaba

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Send salli upon nabiga (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) everyday and not just that day - that is better for you. Also do not ask anything from rasuulallaah (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) because to ask anything from anyone but Allaah (cazza wa jal) is major shirk. It is better for us to remember Allaah all the time and make tawbah.

[Shirib]

Mawlid is haram according to sh umul because the money n the camels that are donated on the day of the mawlid ppl give it as sadaqa. . Nabiga csw was forbidden from accepting it
Plus caarabta dont celebrate it

Anigu sh Umul kuu ma garanayyee but what I do know is that Arabs are one the biggest celebrators of Mawlid, in North Africa, the Gulf, Yemen, Iraq, and Shami countries [ Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and Palestine] in many countries it's even a national holiday.

I hate that damn excuse, Arab's are not any more Muslim than any other race. Because Arab does or does not do it, shouldn't be an excuse for anything. Criminy

[ZubeirAwal]

Send salli upon nabiga (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) everyday and not just that day - that is better for you. Also do not ask anything from rasuulallaah (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) because to ask anything from anyone but Allaah (cazza wa jal) is major shirk. It is better for us to remember Allaah all the time and make tawbah.

This is what i don't get, i think its easy to say that every muslim knows how to distinguish a nabi and a god, and that no matter how high we hold the prophet, he is always a slave of Allah just as you and i, but to your statement, do you agree with Ibn Baz's fatwa that Saxabi Bilal ibn Xarith commited shirk when asked the prophet to ask Allah (shifaac) for rain , in the presence of cumar, cali and other high saxab's who did not stop Bilal from doing so? Because if you do agree, you are basically saying that Ibn Baz and your likes have more knowledge of the deen then the saxabas themselves.

If i go to Madina, and i go to the mosque of the prophet, pray salahs, and then go infront of the chamber of the prophet and ask the prophet to ask Allah to forgive me, that is not shirk because the prophet is with Allah as he was before we was created, did he not say i was there when Adam was without a soul? it is not a act of shirk because the intentnion is we are showing respect to the man who lead us out of jahiliya and into the light of monotheism, until you respect the prophet and remember him day in and day out and love him more then anyone and anything in this world, you would not understand the subject of shifaac, tabaruk, tawasul and such, it is because of the disgusting and rubbish islamic education system today, that does not encourage students to kill their nafs's desires and to take control of themselves, rather they jump into topics of aqeeda and fiqh without even purifying their own souls.

I can see clearly the boundaries of shirk, and shirk surrounds us today, the paper $ £ you are using is shirk , i bet no one here knew that, because the pro-salafi islamic uni's or schools don't even teach the subject of riba and how dangerous it is.

The prophet is alive just how the shuhaada are alive, you know very well the ayah where allah says so.

Don't declare shirk on Bilal ibn Xarith (RA) , because someone who knew, ate, smiled, conversated with the prophet is someone we'll never be equal in our times, so how do we have the right to judge a companion of khayrul khalqilah?

This is my verdict and this is how i conduct my research, i follow what the companions did, and i will not turn back because of what sheikh 20 years ago said.

[ZubeirAwal]

As Imam Shafici (RA) Said, there are good innovations that lead to guidance and good deeds, and their evil innovations that lead to misguidance and bad deeds.

How are you going to say that making a gathering where you feed the poor and then remind everyone of the prophet, recite praises upon him, for a whole night, how are you gonna regard that is evil and misguidance?

has the world gone upside down?

[grandpakhalif]

Here's what Imam Malik (ra) said about Mawliid and those who claim it is good.

Imaam Maalik (rahimahullaah) said: "Whosoever introduces into Islaam an innovation, which he deems is good, then he has claimed that Muhammad has betrayed (the trust of conveying) the Message. Read the saying of Allaah, the Mighty and Majestic: 'This day I have completed your Religion for you, and I have perfected My favour upon you, and I am pleased with Islaam as a Religion for you.' [Surat-ul-Maa'idah: 3] So whatever was not (part of) the Religion on that day, is not (part of) the Religion on this day. And the last part of this ummah (nation) will not be rectified, except by that which its first part was rectified by."

It is very serious and this is why I despise sufi beliefs.

[ZubeirAwal]

First, post the book, the volume, the page, and the number, secondly

You and your salafi brothers always claim that the mawlid is shirk/bida3 in two reasons.

1. You say it is Bida3 Al-Dalalh, referring to the xadiths where the prophet said all bida3's are misguidance and all misguidance is in the hell fire.

Well my answer is this hadith is not general but rather specific as classical scholars have explained, such terminology is used in Shariah many times, for example Quran states: "Verily you and what you worship apart from Allah are the fuel of hell" (Qur'an 21:98)

We all know that Jesus is worshipped by Christians, now if we make this ayah general then Naudhobillah Jesus shall become fuel of hell fire too (Audhobillah Min Dhalik), therefore we have to understand the reality behind words of Prophet (saw), the Bidahs which Prophet (saw) forbade were all new innovations which contradicted shariah, the dalil for this could be found in Sahih Bukhari


Volume 3, Book 49, Number 861: (Sahih Bukhari)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."

Now you see that the Mawlid is in harmony with the deen, it reminds the ummah of their prophet and it is a beautiful practice when a whole community make dhikr. This is not misguidance, rather it is guidance itself.

And number 2.

It is said several times in this thread, " The saxaba didn't do it and they loved the prophet more then us? so why should we do it?"

heres my answer, there are many things which were not practised by Sahaba and Tabiyeen, but later Ulama derived rulings on them looking at the principles, Therefore If anything does not contradict the principles of Shariah then it has always been allowed, for example the knowledge of Jirah wa Tadil in hadith, the knowledge of Asma ul Rijaal etc. The point is that their Asal is found in Shariah, similarly the Asal for rejoicing on Mawlid is found in Quran itself.

Grandpakhalif munaafiq ha noqonin, the kingdom you love so much, made a Saudi arabia day, and a Muhammad ibnu Abdal wahab day, but they reject the mawlid, what kind of munafiqnimo is that, ma Muhammad ibnu Abdal wahab ba noqday your prophet?

[Cumar-Labasuul]

Abuukar I thought you were smart but I guess I'm wrong, you gave an example of bilal asking nabiga (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) during his lifetime - where he used to get revelations directly from Ilaahay. That is why the saxaabas used to say "Allah and his messenger know best" because everything he (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) did was an order from Allaah. So tell me how is it same now that he is dead, he isn't a god he is just a man and a messenger (the best of creation). He (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) didn't create you so why don't you ask from the most mercifull your creator and all of ours.
The Prophet (salalaahu calayhi wa salam) has been allowed to intercede for us but only on the day of qiyaamah.

[Shirib]

[ZubeirAwal]

That hadith was bacda wafat of the prophet, he asked the prophet after the prophet left this world, and your telling me what he did was shirk?

The people were gripped by famine during the tenure of 'Umar (bin al-Khattab). Then a man walked up to the Prophet's(Peace Be Upon Him) grave and said, "O Messenger of Allah, please ask for rain from Allah for your Ummah who is in dire straits." Then the Companion saw the Prophet in a dream. The Prophet said to him, "Go over to 'Umar, give him my regards and tell him that the rain will come to you. And tell 'Umar that he should be on his toes, he should be on his toes (he should remain alert)." Then the Companion went over to see 'Umar and passed on to him the tidings. On hearing this, 'Umar broke into a spurt of crying. He said, "O Allah, I exert myself to the full until I am completely exhausted."

Related by Ibn Abu Shaybah in al-Musannaf (12:31-2#12051); Bayhaqi, Dalail-un-nubuwwah (7:47)

This Hadith is narrated with sahih Isnad in Fath al Bari of Imam Ibn Hajr al Asqalani, Imam Ibn Kathir also called its Isnad as sahih in Al Bidayah wan Nihaya

This is the sunnah of the companions, and i will not let you or your najdi sheikhs tell me it is shirk after a companion did this infront of umar , a companion who's status will never be reached in todays world.


Shirib, sxb take that video shove up it yours, if you are here to make jokes, then do it elsewhere, to hell with your jester.

[Shirib]

you've turned your Prophet's birthday into Christmas

that hadith is probably as made up as it comes, it goes against the entirety of tawhiid.

[grandpakhalif]

Bakrsufi mystic,


How come the sahaba did not celebrate mawlid nor did the tabiciin or the tabi-tabiceen.

Indeed those who claim to love Prophet SAWS should follow his companions in ever religious matter. Sufis actually claim to be better than sahabas if they overlook the absence of mawliid in first century of islam. Indeed the prophet or Allah would have commanded us to celebrate birthday of the Prophet SAWS if there was any good in that.

[ZubeirAwal]

Who's tawxiid? Your najdi imam? listen here, you know for sure that our deen was set for us from the time of the prophet illa around the 13th century, the greatest sheikhs came from that time, the four imams, and such, it was only until the 19th century devil Muhammad ibn Abdul Wahab rised and started the division by declaring shirk and bidac on everything he saw, yet today they are spreading like ants.

If your stupid head read the references to that hadith you would know it has been verified by top scholars, even highly held by the najdis

This Hadith is narrated with sahih Isnad in Fath al Bari of Imam Ibn Hajr al Asqalani, Imam Ibn Kathir also called its Isnad as sahih in Al Bidayah wan Nihaya

And if you regard me staying up all night alone every 2 hours preforming salah and in between making dhikr as christmas, then i ask Allah to guide your ignorant self.

[Cumar-Labasuul]

You are so indoctrinated you dont even see it. How the christians worship nabi ciisa is how I see some muslims doing towards rasuulallaah scw. Subxanallah
Allaah created all those men and everything in existence and you dont return thanks.

[ZubeirAwal]

Bakrsufi mystic,


How come the sahaba did not celebrate mawlid nor did the tabiciin or the tabi-tabiceen.

Indeed those who claim to love Prophet SAWS should follow his companions in ever religious matter. Sufis actually claim to be better than sahabas if they overlook the absence of mawliid in first century of islam. Indeed the prophet or Allah would have commanded us to celebrate birthday of the Prophet SAWS if there was any good in that.

War i answered this don't you read,

First, post the book, the volume, the page, and the number, secondly

You and your salafi brothers always claim that the mawlid is shirk/bida3 in two reasons.

1. You say it is Bida3 Al-Dalalh, referring to the xadiths where the prophet said all bida3's are misguidance and all misguidance is in the hell fire.

Well my answer is this hadith is not general but rather specific as classical scholars have explained, such terminology is used in Shariah many times, for example Quran states: "Verily you and what you worship apart from Allah are the fuel of hell" (Qur'an 21:98)

We all know that Jesus is worshipped by Christians, now if we make this ayah general then Naudhobillah Jesus shall become fuel of hell fire too (Audhobillah Min Dhalik), therefore we have to understand the reality behind words of Prophet (saw), the Bidahs which Prophet (saw) forbade were all new innovations which contradicted shariah, the dalil for this could be found in Sahih Bukhari


Volume 3, Book 49, Number 861: (Sahih Bukhari)

Narrated Aisha: Allah's Apostle said, "If somebody innovates something which is not in harmony with the principles of our religion, that thing is rejected."

Now you see that the Mawlid is in harmony with the deen, it reminds the ummah of their prophet and it is a beautiful practice when a whole community make dhikr. This is not misguidance, rather it is guidance itself.

And number 2.

It is said several times in this thread, " The saxaba didn't do it and they loved the prophet more then us? so why should we do it?"

heres my answer, there are many things which were not practised by Sahaba and Tabiyeen, but later Ulama derived rulings on them looking at the principles, Therefore If anything does not contradict the principles of Shariah then it has always been allowed, for example the knowledge of Jirah wa Tadil in hadith, the knowledge of Asma ul Rijaal etc. The point is that their Asal is found in Shariah, similarly the Asal for rejoicing on Mawlid is found in Quran itself.

Grandpakhalif munaafiq ha noqonin, the kingdom you love so much, made a Saudi arabia day, and a Muhammad ibnu Abdal wahab day, but they reject the mawlid, what kind of munafiqnimo is that, ma Muhammad ibnu Abdal wahab ba noqday your prophet?