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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Murax,

Iftin Baasto was attacked. He struck back and bloodied the Ras Kibakis's noses. What he did was prove that the Ras Kibakis are vulnerable and put Ras Kibakis narrative that they were in full control of the city.

Nobody knows 100% but My complaint with the Gov was why the hell did they have this guy Fiqhi leave right as soon as Baasto's group was defeated? That was dumb. He should've stayed until a good deal afterwards and then left. The timing of when He left allowed people to bring up these questions.
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Murax,

This is all a play with Garguurte being the playwright. Its a beautiful play, so enjoy it. Brilliant !
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AbdiWahab252 wrote:Murax,

This is all a play with Garguurte being the playwright. Its a beautiful play, so enjoy it. Brilliant !
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And the smart security counncil will confirm the need of reconciliation!

Murax

Locally it may not be a good tactics but internationally it works.
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Guys lets not blow this security council statement out of proportion. The Government has so little influence over Kismayo they would almost need a military intervention to root out Madoobe/Kenya etc. Little statements will not be close to enough. I don't think Xassan Sh has 100 people in Kismayo who would fight for Him today.
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Murux,

The Minute Hassan Sheekh was elected, the discussion morphed into Hawiye vs Darod, had a Darod president won instead, regrettably the same would have happened. It's in the nature of our politics that complex issues are simply reduced to petty clan emotions.

The Kismayo issue & specifically the Ras Kamboni militias are in my view not as contentious as it seems on the surface. Some groups have tried to paint it into something it's not after losing out on the premiership & all sorts of insults & unprovoked statements were made in the media to exert pressure on the government to change course. This has not worked. One thing thats abundently clear, is that Hassan Sheekh is not easily pressured & nor does he back-off from a real fight. Rather, an international coalition has been built which supports the government's policy towards stabilization & governance. The lifting of the arms embargo, the recognition of the Government by the International Community & international financial institutions all fit into a greater purpose. When the UN Security Council convenes on Kismayo & endorses the upcoming Mogadishu reconciliation Conference & says those that undermine it will be punished, you can best believe that it's not some wild accusation.

Up until now, the government has focused on winning international support & backing & as a result it has a huge, largely unused political capital.

With regards to the treatment of government ministers at the Kismayo Airport, though ugly & unprecedented, this issue has seriously harmed the Kablalax interest more than meets the eye & in a very real way. If any self appointed clan messiah can bar government officials from visiting other parts of the country, imagine what sort of precedence this sets? In the future, no one will be shocked if some Hawiye or Mudulood figure blocks a Kablalax president or Prime Minister from freely entering Mogadishu & carrying out their mandate. In their quest to attain an un-winnable dream, these guys are stooping to every lowly & pathetic level & it will backfire on them. No doubt

As far as what the future holds, walaahu aclam, we can't predict it. But what I know is that this government has been in office & in a short period, they have already accomplished a lot. So far the indicators are good & inshallah the momentum will be sustained & built on. Too much is at stake for it to simply falter & fail.
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^ Basic divisive tactics at play here :lol:

Are the tribal elders from all clans in the region who elected Madoobe or even Marehan which have the second highest post included in this Kablalax interest?
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RovingMadness wrote:Murux,

The Minute Hassan Sheekh was elected, the discussion morphed into Hawiye vs Darod, had a Darod president won instead, regrettably the same would have happened. It's in the nature of our politics that complex issues are simply reduced to petty clan emotions.

The Kismayo issue & specifically the Ras Kamboni militias are in my view not as contentious as it seems on the surface. Some groups have tried to paint it into something it's not after losing out on the premiership & all sorts of insults & unprovoked statements were made in the media to exert pressure on the government to change course. This has not worked. One thing thats abundently clear, is that Hassan Sheekh is not easily pressured & nor does he back-off from a real fight. Rather, an international coalition has been built which supports the government's policy towards stabilization & governance. The lifting of the arms embargo, the recognition of the Government by the International Community & international financial institutions all fit into a greater purpose. When the UN Security Council convenes on Kismayo & endorses the upcoming Mogadishu reconciliation Conference & says those that undermine it will be punished, you can best believe that it's not some wild accusation.

Up until now, the government has focused on winning international support & backing & as a result it has a huge, largely unused political capital.

With regards to the treatment of government ministers at the Kismayo Airport, though ugly & unprecedented, this issue has seriously harmed the Kablalax interest more than meets the eye & in a very real way. If any self appointed clan messiah can bar government officials from visiting other parts of the country, imagine what sort of precedence this sets? In the future, no one will be shocked if some Hawiye or Mudulood figure blocks a Kablalax president or Prime Minister from freely entering Mogadishu & carrying out their mandate. In their quest to attain an un-winnable dream, these guys are stooping to every lowly & pathetic level & it will backfire on them. No doubt

As far as what the future holds, walaahu aclam, we can't predict it. But what I know is that this government has been in office & in a short period, they have already accomplished a lot. So far the indicators are good & inshallah the momentum will be sustained & built on. Too much is at stake for it to simply falter & fail.

You are right, the day He was elected He had some enemies and the day He selected a PM He got more enemies. That said, Xassan Sh should continue ignoring those folks, He doesn't need their support. Xassan Sh, I said before in the other thread is the best leader by far since the last regime fell. His policy for Kismayo is 100% correct. From a principle standpoint, You're a President who Has a Permanent not Transitional mandate, Why the hell would You allow IGAD and other actors to take the lead in formations of admins in Your Country, and have Your power as President usurped? Of course, Xassan Sh is 100% right wanting His Gov to take the lead. That's what any sane President would do. What I felt the Gov should have always done was this:

1) Use back channels i.e the UN, EU, AU, etc. to deal with Kenya behind closed doors. That by itself would have solved this whole fiasco.
2) Xassan Sh should realize that the people who dislike Him, were and always will dislike Him just as they did from day 1. He shouldn't spend a lot of time trying to explain Himself and be liked.
3) Which brings Me to My 3rd point, which is excessive talking to the media from the Gov about this Kismayo thing. Somali media in general are troublemakers and by explaining Yourself to this unprofessional media time and time again, it gives spoilers something to chew on and write about. 2ndly, there should be 1 person or ministry doing the talking, the information ministry. However this is just nitpicking because as Somalis we talk a lot, We do not understand 'No comment, next question'. However media and public relations is a very important tool that is underrated, the Gov needs to harness it.
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hassan sheiks political constituency are anti jubaland and anti-federalism that is the reality.

Jubaland is on the path of independence and the current political squabble is an indication of the fundamental mismatch between Jubaland and somalia

There is a narrative emerging horn of africa, which is that jubaland is outside the political control of somalia and as soon as that become self-evident to the great power and the international community at large coupled with jubalanders political self-confidence, I predict j/lands natural destiny and the rise of Eaglehawkism

Wasiiradi lugu xiray in kismaayo was sovereign exercise of power and the monopoly on legitimate use of force.

I hope reer mogadishu lock up daarood politcians in xamar and reject daarood Pm and presidents :D
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Murux,

Pres Hassan Sheikh 4 year tenure will focus essentially on stabilizing & securing Southern & Central Somalia. There's a reason why he had to visit Baidoba, Afgoye & Baladweyn to consult the locals about the sort of Prime Minister they want to see in office. No such consultations were made to those folks up in Bari. That's not to say that the people in Bari don't matter, rather it shows the focus area for this government.

This is also why the Kismayo issue is important & attempts to hijack the state formation & stabilization process was swiftly dismissed. You have to remember the Sharif Government was also against the Kenyan initiative. In many ways, the Kismayo issue is not so much about the nature & scope of federalism as its about the sovereignty & territorial integrity for Somalia. The UN Security Council in its latest statement also reached a similar conclusion.

There's no doubt the government narrative on Kismayo is succeeding & will succeed, because the alternative is a return to a civil war within Kismayo region & I don't think the International community is interested nor has any stomach for it.

Also this idea that the government is using other self appointed presidents is pure comedy. If we really wanted inaan duugno this Jubbaland conspiracy, we would have secured Brava & Jilib long time ago. Doing so would have really shut up the reer huuno characters in Kismayo & put the fear of God in their hearts.

So far, diplomacy is being used to liquidate this conspiracy & I believe the use of force is not necessary
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RovingMadness wrote:Murux,

Pres Hassan Sheikh 4 year tenure will focus essentially on stabilizing & securing Southern & Central Somalia. There's a reason why he had to visit Baidoba, Afgoye & Baladweyn to consult the locals about the sort of Prime Minister they want to see in office. No such consultations were made to those folks up in Bari. That's not to say that the people in Bari don't matter, rather it shows the focus area for this government.

This is also why the Kismayo issue is important & attempts to hijack the state formation & stabilization process was swiftly dismissed. You have to remember the Sharif Government was also against the Kenyan initiative. In many ways, the Kismayo issue is not so much about the nature & scope of federalism as its about the sovereignty & territorial integrity for Somalia. The UN Security Council in its latest statement also reached a similar conclusion.

There's no doubt the government narrative on Kismayo is succeeding & will succeed, because the alternative is a return to a civil war within Kismayo region & I don't think the International community is interested nor has any stomach for it.

Also this idea that the government is using other self appointed presidents is pure comedy. If we really wanted inaan duugno this Jubbaland conspiracy, we would have secured Brava & Jilib long time ago. Doing so would have really shut up the reer huuno characters in Kismayo & put the fear of God in their hearts.

So far, diplomacy is being used to liquidate this conspiracy & I believe the use of force is not necessary
Twisted_logic welcome back, I just have one question for you. Why is abgaal attempting to fulfil Habar Gidir political vision when you have nothing to gain from it?

If the Mayor of Mogadishu keeps up with his dirty Habar Gidir tricks, I am afraid your whole clan will be returned to the 2003 status. :ugeek:
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