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jalaaludin5 wrote:the french toilet may be but know that without that french toilet next door there wouldn't have been a SL.

So don't be an ungrateful git. just say

Mercy.

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The Isaaq in Ethiopia played a greater role son, forget about kuwa Djibouti.

Meyle wrote:

Jasmine6 wrote:Meyle when did Sheikh Ishaq come to Somalia?

Around 12-13 AD, there are manuscripts regarding his travels and geneology but I don't have them.

Who came first Sh. Jaberti or Sh. Isaaq?

Meyle,

You are thinking about another mutation I have also discussed. The Cro-magnon are the ancestors of the Berbers and Iberians. It was members of this group that left Africa to found all human groups outside the continent.

http://www.temehu.com/History-of-Libya.htm

"50,000 BC to 30,000 BC:

About 37,000 years ago, Libya, and much of North Africa, was occupied by tall, large-brained, and powerfully built humans, known as the Cro-Magnon. The remains of this type were found to be older than other Cro-Magnon samples from other sites (Europe and Middle East), and it was widely believed that they were the direct ancestors of the Berbers and the Iberians. Cultural evidence from Fezzan, the home of the classical Garamantes Kingdom, then the most advanced people in the Sahara, goes back to more than 30,000 years. Stone implements dated to the late Acheulean and the Aterian (named after Bir el-Ater) cultures (100,000 - 30,000 BC) were found in numerous sites from the Fezzan area, and, according to most sources, many more await discovery. Rüdiger and Gabriele Lutz (1955) recall the cultures of Fezzan to have evolved over the past hundreds of thousands of years and vanished under adverse conditions. “Stone tools of bygone eras are lying about in millions, from the relics of early and late Acheulian (up to 500.000 years), Levalloisian (100.000 years) and Mousterian (50.000 years) to Aterian (40.000-20.000 years).” Many of the ancient Egyptian and Berber mythical gods and goddesses are still represented on the rock art of the Sahara, in what is known as the largest collection of prehistoric art in the world: well over one hundred thousand sites. The dating of Fezzan's rock drawings to 12,000 BC is widely disputed, and many scholars now call for pushing this date farther back in time on the light of the recent discoveries, and also strongly criticised the old techniques originally used to date the work some 40 or 50 years ago."

Jasmine6 wrote:

Meyle wrote:

Jasmine6 wrote:Meyle when did Sheikh Ishaq come to Somalia?

Around 12-13 AD, there are manuscripts regarding his travels and geneology but I don't have them.

Who came first Sh. Jaberti or Sh. Isaaq?

To be honest


However Jaberti lived during late 14th century so I assume Sheikh Isxaaq came first.

What was Sheikh Isaaq's full name?

Isxaaq bin Axmed bin Maxamed bin Xuseiyn bin Cali etc..

I actually don't support the notion of Daarood and Isaaq being offspring of a Arab man. For one genetic research goes against this idea. As Somalis predominantly have the Eb1b1 haplogroup. Those Somalis with the J haplogroup and other foreign DNA are a minority. And Daarood is one of the major clans in Somalia today, whereas Isaaq are somewhat numerous to an extent but still not less than the figure of the amount of people with foreign DNA.

Back to the topic, of Somalis being part of the Moorish state in Andalus I still believe in it.






This is regards to the member that said Somalis were geeljire and didn't had a clue what was going on around the world:



More studies need to be done on the Somali history during early period Islam of the Somali people. Our firm and predominant faith in Islam is not something to ignore, if anything we are pioneering people.

Meyle wrote:Isxaaq bin Axmed bin Maxamed bin Xuseiyn bin Cali etc..

Not his Ab-tiris. The records that you mentioned, what full name does he go by in those records?

XimanJaale wrote:I actually don't support the notion of Daarood and Isaaq being offspring of a Arab man.

If that's not where Darood came from then who are they?

Jasmine6 wrote:

Meyle wrote:Isxaaq bin Axmed bin Maxamed bin Xuseiyn bin Cali etc..

Not his Ab-tiris. The records that you mentioned, what full name does he go by in those records?

Sheikh Isxaaq ibn Axmed al Hashimi.

Meyle wrote:

Jasmine6 wrote:

Meyle wrote:Isxaaq bin Axmed bin Maxamed bin Xuseiyn bin Cali etc..

Not his Ab-tiris. The records that you mentioned, what full name does he go by in those records?

Sheikh Isxaaq ibn Axmed al Hashimi.

Thanks

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What sparked your interest?

Jasmine6 wrote:
If that's not where Darood came from then who are they?

Same place Hawiye, Raxanweyne, Dir, Isaaq came from our Hamitic African ancestry. There are light-skinned Hawiye and light-skinned Daarood does not make them Arab and there are Dark-skinned Hawiye and Dark-skinned Daarood that does not make them 'hutu' aka Bantu. Somalis are unique people in Africa and Somalis need to accept that

I've become more interested in Somali history. After finding out that Hawiya lived all the way north in modern day Bari region as far back as 1100's I wanted to find out more about that time and that region. Dir were also placed there very early on so I wondered when it changed to Isaaq/Darood.

Jaberti is a lot easier to research because like I said he was an actual person, a famous Yemeni Sufi sheikh, whose existence would then make the entire Darood clan roughly 600 years old. I am not sure that adds up and from the books I've read they pretty much dismiss the Jaberti claim as myth. Isaaq on the other hand is nearly impossible to research because there's nothing out there that I can find. (hence needing his full name)

All in all though if the claims are myth and not fact, the interesting question then is - who are Darood and who are Isaaq, originally? Is it Hawiye and Dir sub clans that broke away? Is it a people who existed separately and forged clan unions with the foreigners or just between themselves?

Maybe you can help me on the next step of my research - when was Isaaq/Darood first mentioned in the history books? What was the context?

Jasmine6 wrote:I've become more interested in Somali history. After finding out that Hawiya lived all the way north in modern day Bari region as far back as 1100's I wanted to find out more about that time and that region. Dir were also placed there very early on so I wondered when it changed to Isaaq/Darood.

Jaberti is a lot easier to research because like I said he was an actual person, a famous Yemeni Sufi sheikh, whose existence would then make the entire Darood clan roughly 600 years old. I am not sure that adds up and from the books I've read they pretty much dismiss the Jaberti claim as myth. Isaaq on the other hand is nearly impossible to research because there's nothing out there that I can find. (hence needing his full name)

All in all though if the claims are myth and not fact, the interesting question then is - who are Darood and who are Isaaq, originally? Is it Hawiye and Dir sub clans that broke away? Is it a people who existed separately and forged clan unions with the foreigners or just between themselves?

Maybe you can help me on the next step of my research - when was Isaaq/Darood first mentioned in the history books? What was the context?

Yes Somali history is interesting. But all these claims of being Arab came to Somalis mind when Islam was brought to us, just a way to feel closer to Islam the Somalis thought it will be good to claim Arabs. I believe the Somalis, Oromos, Afar, Beja are all brothers that have splited and had their offsprings. The Amhara's and Tirgray are more of admixture of Cushtic (Hamitics) and (Arabs, Jews) Semitics as we can see from their genetics.

XimanJaale wrote:

Jasmine6 wrote:
If that's not where Darood came from then who are they?

Same place Hawiye, Raxanweyne, Dir, Isaaq came from our Hamitic African ancestry. There are light-skinned Hawiye and light-skinned Daarood does not make them Arab and there are Dark-skinned Hawiye and Dark-skinned Daarood that does not make them 'hutu' aka Bantu. Somalis are unique people in Africa and Somalis need to accept that

i agree on this. never believed arab origin even as child. somali thought big on arabs cause they brought islam to them. they just looked up on them , so they had to claim them! i should say, some somalis!