How was it easy for Somalis to become Muslim?

[Aezana]

Aezana,

Thank you for your very informative and truthful comments. I find it really irritating when I see Somali youth so uneducated from their own history. Trying to deny your own rich history is disgusting.

Not just us... People from anywhere who hate their own people make me sick to my stomach. When the horn gets it shit truly together, if I could I would revoke the citizenships of these cunts and blacklist them or prevent them from ever becoming nationals. Never let them step foot in Ethiopia, Somalia, Eritrea or Djibouti again. They can go live in Europe and enjoy their lovely diet of euro-cock for the rest of their worthless lives. They're useless to us and the likes of them would make great men like Mohammed Abdullah Hassan, Haile Selassie, Menelik II, or the SYL weep to death. They don't deserve the blood that flows through their veins. I'm saying some hateful things but that's how much some of these ignorant, self-hating asses piss me off so forgive me.

[mcali]

Abdi Johnson that is clearly not true.

(1) Monothesism was practiced in the Horn prior to Isam.
(2) Somalis are not the type to acquiesce to anyone. Tell me why the Arabs had to travel to Zanibar for prisoners of war.
(3) I concur with author that created the post, Somalis are unruly and too quarrelsome to take rule from others.
(4) Speak for your self and your experience as an *uncle tom* but the most anti-Colonialists were namely Dir in the South, Samaroon in Djibouti and North West Somalia and Northern Darood of North Eastern Somalila. I can't speak for other Somalis as I'm unfamiliar with their history.
(5) Stop consulting confused Somalis with no sense of self about their history and heritage, that want to be anything other than Somali. I have no respect for them. I have also yet to meet someone from my clan that pretends to have descended from a foreigner.

Indeed my friend indeed.

Those who don't know about somali history before colonization can only speak based on their knowledge of current Somalis.
The somali history that I am most familiar with was full of people who saw themselves as superior to other peoples of the known world. This Arab and white envy that is plain to see now a days didn't exist in its current form even a century ago. That being said after accepting islam, Somalis seem to always display brotherhood to other muslims from different countries.

[Adali]

Abdi Johnson that is clearly not true.

(1) Monothesism was practiced in the Horn prior to Isam.
(2) Somalis are not the type to acquiesce to anyone. Tell me why the Arabs had to travel to Zanibar for prisoners of war.
(3) I concur with author that created the post, Somalis are unruly and too quarrelsome to take rule from others.
(4) Speak for your self and your experience as an *uncle tom* but the most anti-Colonialists were namely Dir in the South, Samaroon in Djibouti and North West Somalia and Northern Darood of North Eastern Somalila. I can't speak for other Somalis as I'm unfamiliar with their history.
(5) Stop consulting confused Somalis with no sense of self about their history and heritage, that want to be anything other than Somali. I have no respect for them. I have also yet to meet someone from my clan that pretends to have descended from a foreigner.

Indeed my friend indeed.

Those who don't know about somali history before colonization can only speak based on their knowledge of current Somalis.
The somali history that I am most familiar with was full of people who saw themselves as superior to other peoples of the known world. This Arab and white envy that is plain to see now a days didn't exist in its current form even a century ago. That being said after accepting islam, Somalis seem to always display brotherhood to other muslims from different countries.

What a Role model.

[mcali]

Greatest of all time. Knockin out all bumb sand uncle toms

[Caesar]

Its bullcrap tbh. Look at this, just 200 years ago some sort of a war was going on in the north where apparently non-Muslims where fought and kicked out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsangali ... kil_Dhahar This is 1700-1800 by the way. Before the colonialists. The people where followers of Christianity and deemed Abyssinians (which I doubt very much). They were likely non Muslim Somalis tbh. I bet there were many wars like that. Probably a lot of strong tribes disappeared, some become less significant in those wars. It would explain why the majority of Somalis belong to (most of the times) to only 4 principal clans. I imagine also that the Madhibaans, the Tumaals, Yibirs etc were probably historically strong tribes who didn't convert so easily and hence where fought & when lost discriminated against (it would make sense)


I also don't think all Somalis were Waaqist. Look at Somali clan names, its pretty obvious that for example Daroods were likely Waaqists for the most part while I think Dir speakers were likely not, probably Christians. This would explain the lack of Waaq in their clan names. Also in the Somali language we can see clear indication of Christian phrases like the fact that we refer to God as "Eebe" basically "The Father", a clearly Christian word.

So I imagine a scenario like that, were certain Somali clans were Waaqists and others were followers of other religions. Also I should mention that Waaqism isn't exactly polytheistic, its pretty monotheistic. This could be for a number of reasons, it could be that Waaqism was always monotheistic or that the concept was borrowed through centuries of interaction with Jewish & Christian followers to the north & west.

Waaq in itself is a Ancient Dir religion , the name Waaq originates with the name Dir lol
Examples of some Dir sub clans with waaq
Sinjiwaaq (Dir)
Gacal Waaq (Dir Gurgure)

Snetters don't forget this the ancient "waaq" religions testaments

In the begining Waako sent down what you would call (Aado) or the proper way to live. That was in the begining that according to ancient and oldest memories of the blood Dir race can remember. This aado which the Dir claimed to be God sent from the Heavens (waaqal daruurad) entitled the Dir to claim the privilege of being Waaqle's chosen people (The Aji) who had the Xeer and Ado from up above (Guuto) Guudka. Note Aji named His son Dhiire( The man or the Bold one) Dir the per excellent ancestor or simply "Dirkii" Firkii or the manly ancestor.

Explains Xeer Aji lol.

Waaq was just an ancient Dir religion, that's it.

[mcali]

Do dir live in caabudwaaq? If not then you are wrong.

[Caesar]

Do dir live in caabudwaaq? If not then you are wrong.

How am I wrong? The first somali was dir, therefore all the cultural somali names are Dir? Don't catch feelings lol

it's the Xeer (aji)

[mcali]

Do dir live in caabudwaaq? If not then you are wrong.

How am I wrong? The first somali was dir, therefore all the cultural somali names are Dir? Don't catch feelings lol

it's the Xeer (aji)

No feelings caught here bro.

Btw their is no such thing as a first somali. It might make sense in your head that their is a somali tree with a guy named soomaal but that simply isn't true. Ask yourself who were the parents of this "original" Dir and then ask yourself who was his wife. Were they xabashi,Arab, Hindi? Probably not. Somalis become a people only after having lived in a certain area for x amount of years and a lot of intermarriage. The stories you heard were as fabricated as the Darood and Isaaqs claim to an Arab ancestry.

You are who you are. Peace

[Caesar]

No feelings caught here bro.

Btw their is no such thing as a first somali.

After this line it was hard to read everything you said with an open mind lol real talk.

It might make sense in your head that their is a somali tree with a guy named soomaal but that simply isn't true. Ask yourself who were the parents of this "original" Dir and then ask yourself who was his wife. Were they xabashi,Arab, Hindi? Probably not. Somalis become a people only after having lived in a certain area for x amount of years and a lot of intermarriage. The stories you heard were as fabricated as the Darood and Isaaqs claim to an Arab ancestry.
You are who you are. Peace

But the Dir is recognized By the Habash,Canfar,Oromo,Gurage,Harari and many other ethnic groups, even the old Religion whom your clan took their names (The Religion Waaq) from Recognizes the Dir first , all the names after that = Dirs names

you worshipped us for Gods sakes LOL

we have the oldest "somali" civlizations in the horn ( the dir is spread out amongst nearly every ethnic group in the horn, we are an ethnic group..)
There are Dir in Somali,Oromo,Haraari,Canfaar,Rerdiinley etc. and many other groups

The word Dir in itself has many meanings but one is PEOPLE as in the first ( in the horn at least lol)

Our lineage is not up for discussion, since we are not shegaats unlike others
Ours is the strongest. Bow Down

[Murax]

Maybe the answer is as simple as Allah guided them and opened their hearts to Islam, full stop. If the Mongolians who were 100x more barbaric, unruly than Somalis became Muslim its not surprising that Somalis became Muslim. Allah guides whom He wills.

[Adali]

Do dir live in caabudwaaq? If not then you are wrong.

No they don't.

[knowthyself]

I have been toying with this question for some time. How did Muslims take over Somalia? I wonder how it is the animist faith of millions of our people came to be replaced. It's not as if animists are any more tolerant than Muslims about spiritual matters.

Weren't Muslims persecuted and driven out? Africans tend to resolve theological controversies by the aid of spears, so how did the first Muslim convert, quivering and trembling with fear, managed to survive detection? This makes me doubt the conventional Islam-Came-By-Peaceful-Trade narrative Somalis and Indonesians cherish.

More likely, the first contact between the Arabs and skinnies was by trade, but to save the new heretical sect from extinction, wars had to be fought to fend off the aggression of Waaqists. In the case of Indonesia, the first converts were the Hindu maharajahs, who in turn fought against their former co-religionists. The mass conversion of a people is seldom a peaceful process. Orthodoxy will fight heresy to the bitter end, especially in the age before the United Nations Declarations of Human Rights.

Political, economic and social pressures are brought to bear, in terms of incentives and penalties for not crooking the knee to the creed of one's ruler.

[Caesar]

Actually the first contacts the first muslims had outside of arabia was in Zaylac

since somalis usualy follow the aji ( noble people) who originate from that area it was not surprising they took up the new faith of islam as well, since they copied everything else from us anyways, but this was a good thing since Islam is the truth.

[James Dahl]

Btw slightly off topic guys, but what is the source for the place the exiled Muslims went was Zeila? Is it in the Qu'ran?

The texts I've seen just say they went to "al-Xabasha" not which part exactly.

[Cherine]

I think they went to Bilal{ra}'s ancestral land.