Jugjugwacwac wrote:Typhoon wrote:
most somali atheist say they believe in empiricism but come what all kinds of emotional talk. at times they the audacity to say,
" i don`t believe in god"----- Well, believe without empirical evidence is the ultimate militant Faith is not? at-least we Muslims have historical evidence and scripture.
And this is the crux of the matter. For all their talk of being empiricists their disbelief is nothing other than a leap of faith akin to the faith of believers which they love to ridicule, except it's much less grounded in logic. There is no logical way to arrive at atheism, because not being able to see something does not preclude the possibility of its existence. As for theism one can arrive at this position through pure logic alone, since nothing cannot beget something. In the end a rational person who is unsure should give some thought to Pascal's wager which posits that 'humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or not. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming an infinite gain or loss associated with belief or unbelief in said God (as represented by an eternity in heaven or hell), a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God. If God does not actually exist, such a person will have only a finite loss (some pleasures, luxury, etc.).'
Why are you lumping a diverse group of people into a label ("empiricists") that you can dismiss? The question of whether or not God exists is entirely philosophical, full stop. There is no answer because the question doesn't exist outside of our collective psyche.
If you accept Evolution (Islam is Creationist, btw) human intellect was not created and is not a miracle. With it came abstract thought (ideation), self-awareness (mortality), curiosity and emotional depth. It was from this potent combination that God was born (my opinion). Personally, I don't believe in God because I don't place much value in humanity, our beliefs, our endeavors or our self-image. Humans are predictable, lowly animals. The common dismissal of Sociology, Anthropology, Psychology, the so-called Human Sciences as pseudo-science (a joke) is a direct reflection of our own God-complex.
When I ask myself questions like "Why did early believers accept and/or propagate the accounts of Prophets?" I look to patterns of human behavior. Humans get tired of established religions and are receptive to adopting new beliefs. It is true now and it was true then. Nowadays, due to globalism, humans convert to religions of other regions, but new religions are still being born, new Prophets having revelations.
I remember some guy some place saying human civilization spreading is like mold on bread. We are not noble, we are not some great creation, we are a fungus growing and growing, sowing nothing but seeds of destruction and waste.