Xildiiid wrote:Subxaanaka yaa cadiim the hate is real.
Your Warsangeli clan and the Dhulbahante and the rest of Darood minority clans in Sanaag like Gahayle, Jibrahiil etc. tried to remove the majority Isaaq sub clans of HY & HJ, using your own clan militias backed by Afweyne's SNA. They were all defeated by the SNM in 1989 and to this day the Darood minority dream nightmares everytime they hear muj. Axmed Mire.
Your people were allowed to return to Sanaag in 93 because of Isaaq benevolence. Today they live peacefully under Isaaq mercy.
our elders made big mistake. they let them come back instead of hunting them like the mooryan
It was a mistake indeed because if they got a chance they would try that shit again just like Samatar who said he would bomb Hargeisa again if he got the chance.
It comes down to inferiority complex and Isaaq hatred.
Xildiiid wrote:Subxaanaka yaa cadiim the hate is real.
Your Warsangeli clan and the Dhulbahante and the rest of Darood minority clans in Sanaag like Gahayle, Jibrahiil etc. tried to remove the majority Isaaq sub clans of HY & HJ, using your own clan militias backed by Afweyne's SNA. They were all defeated by the SNM in 1989 and to this day the Darood minority dream nightmares everytime they hear muj. Axmed Mire.
Your people were allowed to return to Sanaag in 93 because of Isaaq benevolence. Today they live peacefully under Isaaq mercy.
our elders made big mistake. they let them come back instead of hunting them like the mooryan
It was a mistake indeed because if they got a chance they would try that shit again just like Samatar who said he would bomb Hargeisa again if he got the chance.
It comes down to inferiority complex and Isaaq hatred.
dont worry bro, today we are in "i wish a nigga would" mode. if they try anything it is karbash time
The secessionist can try their best to attack his excellence general Cali Samantar, however his offsprings and ideology continues to flourish. Today his daughter is part of the Somali cabinet representing Somalia.
XimanJaale wrote:The secessionist can try their best to attack his excellence general Cali Samantar, however his offsprings and ideology continues to flourish. Today his daughter is part of the Somali cabinet representing Somalia.
And that war criminal is gonna die with $21 million dayn hanging over his head
Yh he enjoyed a good life. He had wealth, plentiful life and power. He left Somalia in a old age. To him whatever the media report is not humiliation, he doesn't care. If he dies today, he died a noble life.
Methylamine wrote:So a civil war, which was the culmination of the regime's actions/stupidity, justifies and absolves your uncle Afweyne and his cronies from any wrongdoings? Got it.
The fundamental misunderstanding We're having bro, is You want to paint a picture of a God fearing, miskiin, people who were brutalized by a dictator, who still somehow still manages to brutalize them 20 years after His death. If this is the picture You want Me to believe then oh well, call Me a qabiliste if You want for this illogic to not sink in.
"And thus will We make some of the wrongdoers allies of others for what they used to earn"
Methylamine wrote:So a civil war, which was the culmination of the regime's actions/stupidity, justifies and absolves your uncle Afweyne and his cronies from any wrongdoings? Got it.
The fundamental misunderstanding We're having bro, is You want to paint a picture of a God fearing, miskiin, people who were brutalized by a dictator, who still somehow still manages to brutalize them 20 years after His death. If this is the picture You want Me to believe then oh well, call Me a qabiliste if You want for this illogic to not sink in.
"And thus will We make some of the wrongdoers allies of others for what they used to earn"
Surah An'am 129.
Rulers are a reflection of the people generally.
Listen to me Siyaad Barre lover. Never ever play the Mullah's rule just to defend unjust person because he happens to be your relatives or whatsoever. I hate whoever misinterpret Quran and try to find excuse for someone who annihilated Muslims. Even if your allegations were valid and the rulers are reflections of their nationals, Does that give him the right to kill Muslims?!! People like you cause more damage to Islam than infidals.
In ayah 128 in Surat Al Anaam. Mentioned is a dialogue before a gathering of Jinns and human beings on the plains of the Resurrection where Allah subhanahu wa ta`ala will address the Shayateen among Jinns telling them about their excessive role in misleading human beings.
In Ayah 129 it was said just like the Shayateen had an upper hand in misleading mankind, wrongdoers are made allies of wrongdoers. Ma`mar said that Qatadah commented on this Ayah, “Allah makes the wrongdoers supporters for each other in the Fire by following one another into it.” A person who does zulm on others, another person comes and does zulm on him. We learn in Surah Az-Zukhraf Ayah 36, “And whoever is blinded from remembrance of the Most Merciful – We appoint for him a devil, and he is to him a companion.”
The moral of Ayah 128 & 129 of Surat Al Anaam is "The Wrongdoers are the Supporters of Each Other".
Sheikh Mohamed Motwali Al Sha'arawi said in his tafsir to Surat Al Anaam 129 : " Allah may send unjust leader to a nation to show them the right path as people tend to be religious and make doa once they are in trouble and have nothing to do. However, Allah won't punish the unjust leader by the hands of good Muslims but by the hands of unjust people like himself. As Allah fearing Muslims will tolerate with the unjust leader".
Click here to watch Shiekh Mohamed Mutwali Al Sha'arawi tafsir for Ayah 129.
And now see how some of his nationals who he annihilated the most, Somali National Movement "SNM", treated the captives. I remember watching a video where Prof. Ibrahim Maygaag Samatar of SNM promised not only to free the captives but also to transfer them to their hometowns and to share whatever food the SNM has with them. Hopefully, Khalid Ali or Xiiildid can share the link with us.
So the wrongdoers who are made allies of wrongdoers were USC, SSDF and SPM.
P.S. Ina Siyad Barre boastfully said “When I’m finally forced to relinquish power, there would be no nation left behind to govern”. From his earlier statement you can notice that he decided long beforehand to wreck the country. The tyrant "Aka Mighty Mouth" is blamed although he died 2 decades ago because he left no nation behind to govern. This is why Somalia is a failed state. And as long as the tyrant's cronies and their supporters are still alive and advocating for him Somalia will still be failed state.
Let's recap what you have said so far. You went from stating that going after an old man in the Gaalo courts is low; to boasting about how his kids are Ivy League (like that changes anything); to using the death of your own cousin by tribal militia to justify why it's wrong to go after war criminals; to using the current situation in Somalia to downplay how bad the regime was; to now saying that leaders like Afweyne are a reflection of their people. LOL, how many more excuse do you have in the hat til you make an utter fool of yourself.
First off, you know what, Afweyne was a reflection of the people. He was a reflection of the illiterate and backward Somalis who should never be near public office, let alone serve as a President. Afweyne rose through the ranks through deception and betrayal of his comrades, from lying about his place of birth in order to serve the Italians, to backstabbing his comrades who took part in the coup of 1969. There were far more competent people who were a better reflection of the people than this moron, and his cronies that surrounded him particularly in the 1980s
Now let's get back to the main point that you've desperately trying to skirt away from. Irregardless of whether or not Afweyne and Samatar were reflections of their people, or if Samatar is too old or whatever excuse you have, they are guilty of state terrorism and they need to be held accountable for their actions. There's more than enough evidence implicating them of crimes against humanity and if you cannot see this, then you're either lying to yourself, or tribalism has mentally distorted your ability to cognitively rationalize things. Perhaps it's a combination who knows.
Now what is really pitiful about you is that you try to use the Deen to mask your tribal biases. You say it's wrong to chase Samatar in a Gaalo court, but isn't it also wrong to lie for the over twenty years and reach out to Zionists for protection against a guilty verdict? Islam definitely promotes the virtue of forgiveness, but how can you forgive someone who lies and refuses to admit responsibility for their actions?
Please, for your own sake, don't pick and choose parts of the Deen that suit your tribal sickness. Munaafiqnimo is a major sin in Islam, and I hope you realize this.
The greedy Iidoor who uploaded the video made it private so it's unavailable.
Muj. Maxamed Maygaag Samatar (AUN) was a childhood friend of my apti and he was an honorable man. His speech to the POW's, who were mostly young men from the southern parts of Somalia and Oromo refugees that were forcefully conscripted, he defines the armed struggle and it's importance.
Its one thing to disagree with Me, yet without proof calling Me a hypocrite without knowing My intention really goes back on You at the end of the day as You take the Ithim for that. The view that I had was simply the view I got from reading the Tafseer from this Ayah:
قال تعالى: [وكذلك نولي بعض الظالمين بعضا بما كانوا يكسبون] (129 سورة الأنعام)
قال الأعمش في تفسيرها أي: إذا فسد الناس أمّر عليهم شرارهم!!!
وقال ابن تيمية: "إن مصير الأمر إلى الملوك ونوابهم من الولاة، والقضاة والأمراء، ليس لنقص فيهم فقط، بل لنقص في الراعي والرعية جميعا فإنه "كما تكونون: يول عليكم" وقد قال الله تعالى: [وكذلك نولي بعض الظالمين بعضا].مجموع فتاوى شيخ الإسلام أحمد بن تيمية 20/35
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This Ayah according to Al Amsh: If the people become corrupt the worst of them are appointed over them.
According to Ibn Tayyima: The deficiancies with a ruler are not deficancies with themselves only but with the people themselves, concerning rulers, their appointees and the people incharge. What You are, will be what will end up being appointed over You.
There are many other scholars who wrote similar tafaseer for this Ayah but I don't have the time now. Bottom line is I think You get the point.
Methylamine,
I think You saw My reply to Djboutian, for the Ayah. As for the rest of our points of disagreement for one let Me specifiy: NO where did I say it was Haraam or anything like that as far as taking someone to court. If someone took Your right You take Your right back. What I was saying was in general I just do not legitmately understand what the families who Had loved ones killed unjustly from Him gain at the end of the day with a Man at this point in His life?
