Minister of Interior"Somalia does not need external actors to get involved in our Domestic Negotiations With Somaliland"

[Typhoon]

SAHAL, great analytical tour de force on the political realities of our region

our somaliland friends have ideological blind-spot that constrains their ability to comprehend, manoeuvre and position themselves in a position of strength with tangible results.

let me give you example, somalilanders could not see the problem of their participation in london somalia convergence, they ideologically convinced them-self that they are equal partners among other UN sovereign states, and that is what I call idelogocal blind spot or the french call it naivete

some times I wonder do they really want secession?...I gave answer early which is, No, they want to rule somaliland territory and be reconized as defacto autority, they are willing to compromise and somalia would never legitimise their rule over other clans without the consent of other clans that is the dark secret of somalilands dr jekyll and mr hyde syndrome

[sahal80]

SAHAL, great analytical tour de force on the political realities of our region

our somaliland friends have ideological blind-spot that constrains their ability to comprehend, manoeuvre and position themselves in a position of strength with tangible results.

let me give you example, somalilanders could not see the problem of their participation in london somalia convergence, they ideologically convinced them-self that they are equal partners among other UN sovereign states, and that is what I call idelogocal blind spot or the french call it naivete

some times I wonder do they really want secession?...I gave answer early which is, No, they want to rule somaliland territory and be reconized as defacto autority, they are willing to compromise and somalia would never legitimise their rule over other clans without the consent of other clans that is the dark secret of somalilands dr jekyll and mr hyde syndrome

professor eaglehawk, I admire your great political horizon.

[Xildiiid]

I love this political battle, Somalia will only send Issaq Unionists to troll Issaq separatist.

Sland is like nah son, we need proper walaweeyns and some cadaan people as third party

Somalia is like "nygga we dont need cadaan people, lets talk man to man"

Sland is like "fam, im dead serious about the cadaans"

Somalia "aight for the cadaan presence but still we sending the same people"

Somalia again trolls the conference by sending cadcads from marka as cadaan middle man.

I think Advo single handedly described what we can expect from these talks in future.

I Jiid aan ku Jiidee.

[skywalker25]

Typhoon,

Nothing to play out here lad. We in Somaliland let our actions speak and not out words. So long as we control 90% of Somaliland, why should we care about the words of some organisation which controls a small mansion with the help of foreign powers. Your so called government is nothing but western imposed where they hold the leavers of power. Somalilands government in comparison is organic government elected by the people for the people. The west hold minimum power because we in Somaliland can tell them where to go and still survive, the same cannot be said bout your SFG. Every tuug in that government would be gone before you could say, al-shabab, if the west decide to reprimand you. The truth is you dont want these talks but are being forced with a big stick on your back like some unruly child. We have just been asked to co-operate, nothing more. We expect nothing because to do otherwise would be foolish. rag who need AMISOM to keep the peace have zero to offer Somaliland in any way.

[GAMES]

The Qaldaans in Waqooyi Galbeed need to realize we are doing this for their own benefit. If you leave them to their own device, they'd fight among each other.

Habro Wars.

The only thing keeping them away from each other is the fear of Wanlaweyns.

Most Idoors are geeljire and aren't too bright.

[skywalker25]

The Qaldaans in Waqooyi Galbeed need to realize we are doing this for their own benefit. If you leave them to their own device, they'd fight among each other.

Habro Wars.

The only thing keeping them away from each other is the fear of Wanlaweyns.

Most Idoors are geeljire and aren't too bright.

Cheers for that insightful input Barwaniboy. I

f only you'd spent half that much energy on the wellbeing of your people your women wouldn't be raped and bringing to this world bastard half-breeds like yourself.....

priorities son, priorities ...

[original dervish]

That's a bit harsh.

[Typhoon]

Typhoon,

Nothing to play out here lad. We in Somaliland let our actions speak and not out words. So long as we control 90% of Somaliland, why should we care about the words of some organisation which controls a small mansion with the help of foreign powers. Your so called government is nothing but western imposed where they hold the leavers of power. Somalilands government in comparison is organic government elected by the people for the people. The west hold minimum power because we in Somaliland can tell them where to go and still survive, the same cannot be said bout your SFG. Every tuug in that government would be gone before you could say, al-shabab, if the west decide to reprimand you. The truth is you dont want these talks but are being forced with a big stick on your back like some unruly child. We have just been asked to co-operate, nothing more. We expect nothing because to do otherwise would be foolish. rag who need AMISOM to keep the peace have zero to offer Somaliland in any way.

you have the combination of north Korea and colonial subject mentality we live in age of glabilsation move away from youe provincial village mentality.

we welcome the west re-engagement with somalia, we appreciate African unions tireless and unequivocal quest to make somalia take its rightful place among the sovereign states of the world.
we appreciate Ethiopia constructive contribution away from their historic antagonism and we welcome Kenyans unselfish contribution to stabilise somalia.

we have good relations with EU, AU, arab leaguge,ethiopia,kenya and china.
our problem was external interference and competing foreign actors and we have addressed that diplomaticly and thought international institutions and that why somalia is getting support left and right.

skywalker don`t see me as enemy, wallahi half of the stuff i said, if you look it with a opend mind you would have seen a constructive criticism laking qabiil ba igu didan tahay

siilanyo has not moved somaliland independence a inch except being a satellite of somali government and taking part in the process of somali reconciliation.

skywalker koonfur might have been crazy during the civil war but remember, somalia is the only that has good relations with their neighbours and the international community we are getting our mojo back
this real diplomacy, war and peace not provincial governance dude

you guys don`t understood the entire modern politics, you you political terminologies but don`t understand them nor do you know how to apply them, waxenu wa polical theatre, wa iska riwayad hence bila aqoonsi 2o foking years dude (no offence)

[GAMES]

The Qaldaans in Waqooyi Galbeed need to realize we are doing this for their own benefit. If you leave them to their own device, they'd fight among each other.

Habro Wars.

The only thing keeping them away from each other is the fear of Wanlaweyns.

Most Idoors are geeljire and aren't too bright.

Cheers for that insightful input Barwaniboy. I

f only you'd spent half that much energy on the wellbeing of your people your women wouldn't be raped and bringing to this world bastard half-breeds like yourself.....

priorities son, priorities ...

Well settle down skywalker25, is daji. Do u honestly believe the IC and the UN would allow another vote wielding Muslim country into the UN? They already hate Somalis and Muslims enough, without having another Somali join em.

Sheikh Hassan is doing this to placate the Qaldaans. You gotta look things from a bigger picture sxb, u can't always be stupid and Geeljire.

Is daji oo caadi iska dhig.

[Khalid Ali]

skywalker koonfur might have been crazy during the civil war but remember, somalia is the only that has good relations with their neighbours and the international community we are getting our mojo back
this real diplomacy, war and peace not provincial governance dude

Thats not true Somalia has no good relations with Ethiopia and Kenya , Ethiopia wishes to create more regional clan enclaves that work with them the central government tries to appease Ethiopia and doesnt flirt with the Arabs accept when its placing its begging Bowl. The Kenyans want to build a major wall in between Somalia and Kenya.. The kenyans see Somalia as a threat a major threat to their stability their economic industries. Diplomacy is more than just pictures with Foreign leaders , its the real work the real relations behind the curtains. Cabdilahi Yusuf used to meat them and so did Cabdiqasim salaad xassan. Somalia hasnt moved an inch closer to stabilization nor has it a functioning organic state that works on the ground and the diplomacy and the legitimacy has solely came from the Americans and the Europeans

[skywalker25]

Typhoon,

Regardless of what you wish Somalia to be or how your morbid mind imagines it, the reality is the world see you as a beggar nation. If you are happy to be a beggar with the international community through their african proxies dictating your destiny, we wish the best. Unfortunatly, our leaders have integrity and self worth. I as a Somalilander find it disgusting how african soldiers roam the streets of Xamar with their militarised vehicles shooting or maiming who they want with zero accountability. But, you are more concerned with your imaginary power and how you are using the west and everybody else. To have the army of another country in your capital with acting with such impunity is any any language considered a disgrace. Its like when Hitler was in Paris or the Russians entered Berlin, the French and Germans consider those situation a disgrace, a shameful episodes. But here we have you and Sahal in almost celebration mode all because of Somalilands so-called ineptness. If you ask anybody with sense they will tell you he who's capital of his capital has far more honour and a better future than a man who's occupied but is happy with the occupation....


Gamer,

I'm enjoying my qat. Now tell me how many light Barwanis left in Barwa. Walle all I'm seeing is half/HG kids roaming the streets. What happened to your people is a catastrophe all because those blick soothies wanted to be lighter. Talk to me nigga, share my qat. Warka i sheeg ninyo, imasa leydinka kufsaday?

[GAMES]

LooL eat ur Khat bro, but leave Siyaasad to those who know it better.

[Khalid Ali]

Sahal u havent answered my question to say the xamar govt doesnt need the west is Just being imature they pay the bills they give aid us aid they the British are interesten in oil in somalia. The nor weģianss pay the civil servants so that they have no say somalia has a man date. Any way the turks have no role in these talks other than being the host


As for ethiopia . Ethiopia acts very neutral in the somali dispute this give them leverage In both mogadishu and hargeysa very smart the tigre. The tigre know that sl will never give into demand of somalia and somalia will never give into thè demands of Somaliland this gives them the tools to befriend all somalis. Ethiopia is not anti somaliland and its not anti somalia directly it has troops there.

And where's the new deal? Have we listened them during the cabinet crisis? No general elections and the govt is consulting with the elders and the regions on the next step

The west respects the govt as a permanent govt and the fact that we have institutions, what matters is IGAD position since they have political and security interests in somalia and we depend on them to help us " on fixing" the problems they created for us.

Take in mind govts encreasing relations with the arab world bc of the tensions in yemen

Lastly there's no westren pressure on the govt except vision2016 wich SL is not part of it

The SL file is about being part of somalia and that we have to reach them or there some how according to the westren vision for somalia

The mechanisms that r used for the talks internationally r that SGF is negotiating with SL region not as two countries otherwise you wouldn't accept to partake the london somalia conference where they were suggested for the first time!

Talks taking longer is part of the solution for the govt!.

On the contrary it was not that long ago when Nickolas kay accused the members of parliament of being corrupt and accepting bribery from the president and this man represents the United nations on behalf of Somalia. The talks were initiated that Somaliland and the TFG or its replacement should talk the SFG in this case in order to clarify their future relationship the Talks it self are very vague . This brings in who is SFG and who is Somaliland.. Vision 2016 is to hold elections and before that there must be some kind of road map on how Somalia is going to look like post 2016. SFG is views SL as a region that is part of them but not Politcally part of them. And Somaliland views it its talking to Somalias government in order to create a long lasting solution for the longest African disputes.. You said the talks are taking longer part of what Solution we all know there is a dead lock unless you know something that we dont know care to share with us Sahal. We know the 2 sides havent gone any closer so why is the SFG is scared of international mediators.

[Typhoon]

skywalker koonfur might have been crazy during the civil war but remember, somalia is the only that has good relations with their neighbours and the international community we are getting our mojo back
this real diplomacy, war and peace not provincial governance dude

Thats not true Somalia has no good relations with Ethiopia and Kenya , Ethiopia wishes to create more regional clan enclaves that work with them the central government tries to appease Ethiopia and doesnt flirt with the Arabs accept when its placing its begging Bowl. The Kenyans want to build a major wall in between Somalia and Kenya.. The kenyans see Somalia as a threat a major threat to their stability their economic industries. Diplomacy is more than just pictures with Foreign leaders , its the real work the real relations behind the curtains. Cabdilahi Yusuf used to meat them and so did Cabdiqasim salaad xassan. Somalia hasnt moved an inch closer to stabilization nor has it a functioning organic state that works on the ground and the diplomacy and the legitimacy has solely came from the Americans and the Europeans

common now, are you really serious
ethiopia and kenya can have influence in somali regions, somalia is federal, nobody minds that.
kenya is building wall against al shabab and we support that given there the traditional border crossing like belex xawo( good for business and taxation)

khalid the relations between ethiopia kenya and somalia has enetered a paradigm shift
as for kenya, we might as well call their state house villa ogadeen.
khalid the basis of somali progress is tireless diplomacy and institution building, we don`t bothered with liberalism democracy iyo waxa iskugu shekaysin
we have become independent from the predator NGOs relations that you consider as diplomatic partners worthy of diplomatic protection
ethiopia prime minister was in somalia for the inauguration of hassan sheik mahamoud if that is not good relations with ethiopia I don`t know what is.
ethiopian odliers are dying for somalia, for what? they understand our instability is their economic stagnation
the core state institution are ready now the regional state are being build, hawiye and daarod are working together and raxaxayn is managing and building the federal parliament institution.
]our security apparatus is functioning and working alongside international partners (much appriciated by our western partners)
our parliamentary committees are ready our civil service is operational, our embassies are functioning and we have monetary policy and our central bank is connected to the international financial network
we have foreign diplomatic core based in mogadishu with their embassy and global hyper power U.S.A is comming back to mogadishu after 20 years, no diplomacy you say, I beg to differ sir

common khalid, you seem so petty by denying reality

khalid idoorka had a opportunity but they could not transcend their obvious drawback, which is tribalism and provincialism

I believe if you were running somaliland you would have approached things total different

[AbkoowDhiblaawe]

I love this political battle, Somalia will only send Issaq Unionists to troll Issaq separatist.

Sland is like nah son, we need proper walaweeyns and some cadaan people as third party

Somalia is like "nygga we dont need cadaan people, lets talk man to man"

Sland is like "fam, im dead serious about the cadaans"

Somalia "aight for the cadaan presence but still we sending the same people"

Somalia again trolls the conference by sending cadcads from marka as cadaan middle man.