YOUR FAV WALAWEYN(kacaan) FAkeBRICATION

[gegiroor]

One of may favourite walaweyn fabrication was the origin of the Mad Mullah. Below is the Mad mullah testimony :-



The birds droppings didn't hurt him but calling him Ogaden, Bah Gheri did .

Just wondering how did he kill 6 birds ... WAALICAS

Darood self hate.

You guys are running with fake translation. This is the part of the poem of Sayid Mohamed A Hassan:

Ogaadeen haddaan ahay dad waw amar koreeyaaye
Oo ubaxa baarkaan ihiyo awrta Haashimahe
Abtirsiinaday waxay gashaa odayo waaweyne
Halkaan uga arooraana waa odayga Daaroode
Rasuulkii udgoonaana waa ina adeerkay e
Sayidkii Axmed ahaana way awow rumahe
Ibraahiim Rashiid aabahay odagi weeyaane
Asaxaabihiii oo dhan baan ehel wadaagnaaye
hadba anigu qoyskaan ahaa loo irkanayaaye
Nin Amxaara mooyee intii edeg adduun joogta
Islaameedku wuxuu ii yaqaan Ehelu khayrkiiye

[Rambie]

Did Udun just dropped another gabay!

[thegoodshepherd]

When they could not refute my facts about Abshir Dhoore l:

This is what you claimed

Darawiish ranking
#1: Sayid Maxamed- Habar Suleiman
#2: Abshir Dhoore- Reer Khalaf

And this is what the facts are.Now where is this Abshir geezer listed.If he was his number two then surely he'd be wanted just as much as the others.Nobody disputed his existence or whether or not he was involved in a battle v the Majeerteen.

You focking idiot

Abscir Dore was not from British Somaliland, he was from Mudug. His base was in Galadi which was at the time part of the Sultanate of Hobyo under King Yusuf Ali. This is why the British in the picture you posted talk about informing the armies of the two MJ kings to intercept the dervishes. They would not accept British pursuit of the dervishes into their protectorates. This is why the Sayid could strike a deal with Yusuf Ali to build a fort at Illig Daldala, because he knew the British would not cross the border. Abscir Dore was simply not subject to the British until they struck a deal with the Italians and were allowed free movement into the protectorates in 1918.

[Thuganomics]

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Still with the profanites.All that drivel you just posted still doesn't prove your original point.Unless this Abshir was an Italian agent.Why would they put the number one man in the wanted list and exclude the number two,simply because
of some boarder of some deal you talk about.Do you have a source pertaining to that deal expressing the fact that Abshir been exempt to any pursuance.

[thegoodshepherd]

I am not the one who said Abshir Dhoore was nothing in the Dervishes. You are comparing men who were just gacanyares to the Sayid and a man who commanded the Dervish forces in the field. Abshir Dhoore was not a subject of the British Empire, so he was not considered to be a rebel. The Sayid and his gacanyares were considered rebel "subjects" who had commited treasonous acts.

The fact that there were some idoor gacanyares to the Sayid does not change anything. Darawiish history is Darood history, with a few idoor as gacanyare

[Thuganomics]

Well at least this time you responded with some semblance of civility.I don't remember any one saying he was a nobody.I just disputed your claim that he was the Dervish No2.Now you claim he was exempt from been pursued because he was an Italian subject and not a British one.Well here is a later list of rewards offered by the British to capture or kill Dervish 's in the case they flee to
theMajeerteen coast , just before the 1920 bombardment when his movement was decimated and most of his commander were either killed,captured or had fled.Your Abshir Dhoore is in there and he's way down the list.Therefore blowing away both your No2 theory and your exemption theory in one go

[Rambie]

^ notice how the majority of those who flied
are Darood.

The mad Mullah left his wife and children running away from Taleh just like that.

PS: TGS, isn't your clan that couldn't fight the Gabooy without "paying" the Ajnabis
to arm you?

[thegoodshepherd]

Out of the 17 on that list, the majority are Darood. Stop trying in aad na isku dhajisid.
Its so ceeb waxad ku faanaysid "Darood ayaan dab u qaadi jiray" At least Abshir Dhoore was Kablalax and related to the Sayid, but the idoor on that list were all working for a man who saw them as beneath him.

[Thuganomics]

^
I guess you have no response then.
Other than giggle and go off on another tangent.What happened to your:
"He was in fact the second highest ranking Dervish but he was exempt from been pursued and placed on any British wanted list" stance.I'll leave you to wallow in your delusions.Peace out!!!

[theyuusuf143]

Out of the 17 on that list, the majority are Darood. Stop trying in aad na isku dhajisid.
Its so ceeb waxad ku faanaysid "Darood ayaan dab u qaadi jiray" At least Abshir Dhoore was Kablalax and related to the Sayid, but the idoor on that list were all working for a man who saw them as beneath him.

none of them was serving his clan interest they were all alshabaab like individuals. its like saying darod individuals in alshabaab today are working for isaaq and hawiye. is that logic ? don't twist your argument when you proved wrong.

[X.Playa]

I see udun and his kumbo herd hasn't given up yet after 83 pages of Dervish history where their fabrication and myth was refuted layer by layer methodically.

Now one has to understand that the dervish movement lasted some 21 years at each stage the ranks changed and clans who supported or rejected the dervish also changed.

Now the above list quoted by Thuga were the founders of the movement between April-August 1899. The date of Hayes Sadlers letter is 1901. This Abshir Dhoore and Ismaaciil Mire were teenagers at that time. Both of these low ranks joined the movement around 1911 by then only xaaji suudi and the Mullah were life the other three were dead.

Most of these daarood novice confuse the 21 years ranks and khusuusi or councillors xaaji suudi was always the second in command, most of the forts from Jidali to Ilig were constructed under his command at every stage of the war xaaji suudi had the final say and the Mullah always sought his advice. In 1915 Xaaji Suudi spread the dervish propaganda to Sanaag region according to the British national archives.

During the battle of Gumburo or Cagaarweyne and Daraatoole in 1903 British soldiers routinely sent letters home explaining the situation to their families one of them wrote an interesting letter he said " the Mullah was no where to be seen it seems he left the entire battle for the Sultan ( Nur)." Few days later an Ogaden man defected to the British side you can find his testimony in the same book quoted by Thuga volume 2 not 1. The ogaden defector collaborated the soldiers story the ogaden man testified that the Mullah and sultan Nur weren't in speaking terms after the tow battles alluding to the fact that the Mullah was absent from those tow battles and the entire task falling on Sultan Nur command.

These Isaaq men weren't soldiers they were co founders of the movement there is a reason why sultan Nur has a tomb in Taleex there is an amble evidence indicating that he was behind the idea of the Dervish war against the Roman Catholic mission according to Hayes Sadler himself the story of the converted children was spread by sultan Nur and that the Mullah himself wasn't even aware nor bothered with such things that fact ignited and founded the dervish movement the rest is mere history read Hayes Sadlers letters on the movement of sultan Nur from May-Agust 1899 when him the Mullah were collecting men and arms. In August 1899 the Mullah and Sultan Nur met at Burco and the war was declared all these facts are well documented.

Mind not their kacaan fairy tales the isaaq were behind the creation of the movement only later after 1907 the Mullah and the dervish became synonymous.

Thuga observe the very Aw Jaamac page you quoted see how he manipulated the awards reducing Buqul while increasing aabshir also notice how he omits the third HJ man from the list thus giving his Dhulos more in numbers thats how these faqash blatantly rewrote history right on our face.

[gegiroor]

The Isaaqs were irrelevant in the Dervishes movement. Proofs: Looks at the poems and how Isaaqs were dissed. Look at the British officers' writings - Isaaqs were always referenced to as the "friendly" clans that the British monarchy had a responsibility to protect. X.playa and company want to base the entire Dervishes' history on a selective correspondence between British officers while they ignore any thing that proves that the Isaaqs were overwhelmingly pro-British, and different Daaroods clans were overwhelmingly pro-Dervishes. But of course gaal X.playa and company want to recreate that history

[burcaawi14]

It's f#kd up how these guys changed history, inferiority complex of the wanlaweyn had no boundries

[X.Playa]

P.S

If one has a time read and compare Aw Jaamacs translation of most of the English letters either they intentionally mistranslted it or slightly manipulated the context. Good example is as such, the English refered to the dhulbahanta land in this context " in the dhulbahanta" meaning in the land of the dhulbahanta, Hayes Sadler wrote " the movement in the dhulbahanta ( land)" We Jaamac and Idaajaa translated the above sentence in Somali as " dhaqdhaqaaqa ay Dhulbahantu wadaan " loooool to give the likes of Udun the impression and the delusions that they led and founded the movement.

These guys are small fish I could bulldoze any faqash expert on the Dervish history including their last dead propagandists Aw Jaamac and Said Samatar who brainwashed 2 generations of Daaroods.

[X.Playa]

Udun the term friendlies was used for most clans who opposed the dervish 'including your qurjiile.

Good example the battle of Dulmadoobe where the dervish raided your Dhulbahante and where 350 dhulbahante joined Richard corfields camel corps. The subsequent investigation and the interview of the surviving tow British officers ( see the dervish thread for the letters) both officers refered to your Dhulbahante as " friendlies "

Udun just like your tow dead propagandist uncles aw jaamac and said samatar you have no shame at all.