Third world Somali refugees to pull out their kids from school Monday

[ImNotSomali]

Yet a retarded amount of boats filled with migrants continue to arrive to Europe from Africa. Italy is being transformed demographically. Migrants continue to flock to European countries from Syria, Afghanistan, Africa, and elsewhere. The policy in Europe is once a migrant has touched European soil, they cannot be refused and sent back.

International laws on refugees fleeing conflicts trumps all. And as long as conflicts continue to develop in other parts of the world. Europe will continue to be transformed demographically.

[ImNotSomali]

It doesn't matter where you come from. As long as you have citizenship its your country too. You can fight for your rights. Everything AJ is saying is irrelevant. If parents wants the right to raise their kids, its their right and they should fight to not lose that right. They are fighting the good fight. Don't let the government control you. Don't be a f-king sheep. Be a shepherd.

Canada is a SECULAR WESTERN country. Not an Islamic one. Don't come here with your ideas that turned your countries into a shithole. Don't come here to change my country. Its perfectly fine. I don't want Canada to turn into another Iraq or Sudan. It can easily become like your hellhole if we give you ungrateful punks another inch.

You are here because a machete wielding man chased you out of your village and you seeked refuge. You are not here to change my country. Get it through your damn heads or leave. For fuck sakes. We give you a second chance at life and you do this crap and disrupt our lives?

I am,

Abdi "We are not interested in what you're selling" Johnson

Whats up with you and your weird arguments. All bullshit rhetoric. Complete irrelevant fallacious bullshit that has nothing to do with the argument. What a sad attempt to discredit me. Stick to the issue at hand. Which is the freedoms that Canadian Citizens should be allowed to exercise, and the right to raise your kids.

You're advocating for a totalitarianism government rather than the right for free schooling systems devoid of authority trying to change/control society and control all aspects of public and private life wherever possible. Which is the exact definition of a totalitarian government. The government should not have control over society and they should not dictate how society should be. Schools should be neutral and stick to sound education that doesn't interfere with one man's proposed take on what morality should be and then force it down everyone's throat whether they like it or not.

[AbdiJohnson]

So you ruin your country and want to ruin mine?

No point in arguing. The curriculum has been implemented.

The same screaming bitches in France with the religious symbols ban and niqab in public places debate have been silenced. We will hear your bullshit for a few weeks.

If you push us we will go as extreme as France and ban hijabs. The entire Western world is fed up of your bullshit. Australia is already turning Muslim boats away and imprisoning them in nearby islands

Don't worry. The Europeans are a people I can count on to defend their values. We will all follow Australia's example.

I am,

Abdi Johnson

[Buraanbur]

I'm born here. I cry everytime in Remembrance Day ceremonies. I have told Somali fobs who laughed at me for carrying the Canadian flag during Canada Day to shut up and almost fought them. I will take up arms against your native Somalia if it tried to attack us and I will kill many skinnies. Are you that much of a Canadian? Buranbuur the difference between me and you people is that I don't need a passport to claim my identity. I show it with my loyalty. You have to prove yourself by showing a passport given to you out of the compassion of the Canadian people. You secretly despise Canada like all the rest.

Buranbuur this is the end of you useless people coming here. Changes have been made to the immigration system with a focus on economic ones and persecuted religious refugees like the Alawites who don't bark and are grateful to Canada. No more African ones. No more Pakistanis. No more Arabs. The government has purposely made sure no Sunni people are accepted from Syria. This is their official policy. Look it up.



Whether you like it or not, the new sex ed will go forward. In 10 years time those kids will turn out liberal. These people who came to Canada 5 years ago will be defeated. I expect them to call their families and tell them not to get on the boat and to practice your medieval ideologies over there.

I will not take these protesters seriously when we taught them what protesting is. They did not protest their dictators. We taught them what their dictators did not.

I am,

Abdi "You have lost" Johnson

Everyone is equal before the law. There is no tier system when it comes to citizenship, so you could be born in Nunuvat or Zamunda and it would make no difference. I know it kills you but again, everyone is equal before the law, and as citizens of Canada these protesters are well within their legal rights to express their disagreement with the lezbot Premier. The fact that you want to silence them is contrary to the everything you claim you believe in, which is why I have a hard time believing half of what you write. Now you mention loyalty like it's directly measurable when it's not. Your definition of loyalty is killing for Canada, that isn't my definition.

Your parents were political refugees just like everyone else so you are a descendant of refugees. You act like you have a special privilege to Canada when you don't, not according to the law anyway. I support the changes to the immigration system, my people are all here and have been for decades. I am actively helping the authorities send people back to Somalia. Hopefully your parents don't get caught up for lying on their asylum papers.

[Buraanbur]

It doesn't matter where you come from. As long as you have citizenship its your country too. You can fight for your rights. Everything AJ is saying is irrelevant. If parents wants the right to raise their kids, its their right and they should fight to not lose that right. They are fighting the good fight. Don't let the government control you. Don't be a f-king sheep. Be a shepherd.

Canada is a SECULAR WESTERN country. Not an Islamic one. Don't come here with your ideas that turned your countries into a shithole. Don't come here to change my country. Its perfectly fine. I don't want Canada to turn into another Iraq or Sudan. It can easily become like your hellhole if we give you ungrateful punks another inch.

You are here because a machete wielding man chased you out of your village and you seeked refuge. You are not here to change my country. Get it through your damn heads or leave. For fuck sakes. We give you a second chance at life and you do this crap and disrupt our lives?

I am,

Abdi "We are not interested in what you're selling" Johnson

Whats up with you and your weird arguments. All bullshit rhetoric. Complete irrelevant fallacious bullshit that has nothing to do with the argument. What a sad attempt to discredit me. Stick to the issue at hand. Which is the freedoms that Canadian Citizens should be allowed to exercise, and the right to raise your kids.

You're advocating for a totalitarianism government rather than the right for free schooling systems devoid of authority trying to change/control society and control all aspects of public and private life wherever possible. Which is the exact definition of a totalitarian government. The government should not have control over society and they should not dictate how society should be. Schools should be neutral and stick to sound education that doesn't interfere with one man's proposed take on what morality should be and then force it down everyone's throat whether they like it or not.

Abdi makes zero sense. This is Canada, not the U.S. and these people are mainly citizens not illegal aliens. He thinks being born in Canada gives him a special privilege to the country when it doesn't. He doesn't get any special rights, a different passport, or the privilege to bypass customs and immigration when returning to Canada. Before the law, government and people of Canada he is no different from the hoyoo in the baati.

[AbdiJohnson]

My parents came before the war. They didn't claim some minority clan to get in. They did it the honest way 5 years before the collapse of the central govt.

Buranbuur, people who don't pay taxes and have not paid into the education system and came from countries they destroyed should shut up. Its the decent thing to do. But lets put our differences aside. Do you agree this curriculum is more than likely going to stay and that the ungrateful welfare parents have already lost? As much as the unemployed parents can look after their kids from 9 am to 3:30, the parents will in the next few days drive their kids to school. We don't see whiny bitches anymore in Paris do we? The niqabis took off their veils and the schoolgirls took off their hijabs in France. Things will settle down and like I said no loss to us if they stay home These people have high drop out rates. They become gangbangers. They become terrorists. They become drug addicts. They become useless people to society

I am,

Abdi "Keep crying" Johnson

[ImNotSomali]

Way to not address my post and continue to stick to your rhetoric. Again using the false dilemma fallacy.

You keep arguing that if you don't agree with all aspects of so-called "western values", you are for sharia law.

So stop involving me with "the western world is fed up with bullshit". I'm neither for sharia law nor for policies of the government that infringes on people's freedoms. That's what the argument is about.

AJ, let me ask you this. If a conservative man proposed that schools should teach kids that homosexuality is immoral, what do you think the mainstream would say. Now, you know what they would say, there would be a huge backlash. So why is it in this case, those same points that they would bring up are not acceptable in this case? Get out here with these double standards.

Canada is supposed to be a free country. Where the role of the government is to be secular. Now all of a sudden the government wants to teach kids whats right and wrong? How is that different from using religion to teach kids whats right and wrong on a state level? Religion is just a buzz word here. Its just a made up word to separate "us from them". "O no, see we are different, that's religion, we are not using religion". Again, why is that relevant?

At the end of the day if your an atheist, religion is a man made set of rules accepted by the majority on what morality should be. Therefore, to protect the minority who disagree with it, governments should be neutral and separate morality from government.

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY what the liberal government is doing now with its new policy on the sex ed curriculum. There is a man made set of rules that has been accepted by the majority as what morality should be, and its being forced down on the minority who disagree with it. Exactly how it used to be when religion was used at the state level. Therefore, to protect the minority who disagree with it, governments should be neutral and separate morality from government. That's what being secular is all about.

CHECKMATE.

[ImNotSomali]

edit: removed my summary, i want people to read my big ass post.

[Buraanbur]

My parents came before the war. They didn't claim some minority clan to get in. They did it the honest way 5 years before the collapse of the central govt.

Buranbuur, people who don't pay taxes and have not paid into the education system and came from countries they destroyed should shut up. Its the decent thing to do. But lets put our differences aside. Do you agree this curriculum is more than likely going to stay and that the ungrateful welfare parents have already lost? As much as the unemployed parents can look after their kids from 9 am to 3:30, the parents will in the next few days drive their kids to school. We don't see whiny bitches anymore in Paris do we? The niqabis took off their veils and the schoolgirls took off their hijabs in France. Things will settle down and like I said no loss to us if they stay home These people have high drop out rates. They become gangbangers. They become terrorists. They become drug addicts. They become useless people to society

I am,

Abdi "Keep crying" Johnson

You operate on a whole lot of assumptions and very little facts or anything of substance. You don't know whether these people pay taxes or not. You've come to this conclusion because of how they dress? I mean seriously?! Personally, I disagree with the niqab and even the jilbaab, but I believe these people have every right to express themselves as long as they do so within the limits of the law. Would you rather they riot? Do you even know why the new curriculum took so long to implement? It was because Christians were opposing it. Even with all of these protests, yes, I agree that the curriculum will continue and the parents will have their children abstain from attending sex ed all together. Most Muslim parents have been keeping their kids from these classes since I was in middle school.

Seriously, you want Canada to become like France? FRANCE??! They just banned a girl from school for wearing a skirt that was too long. Abdi, you're not a liberal. Just because you're an atheist doesn't make you a liberal. You're an Islamophobe and you support everything that you think is anti-Islam or that Muslims oppose. Your opinions are all over the place, but I'm absolutely sure that you're no liberal. For heavens sake, your parents were let into this country but here you are opposing Somali and Muslim immigration. You do understand that your parents would have been denied entry into the country and you wouldn't have been born in Canada if it were up to you, right?

Regarding my personal life, my family immigrated before the civil war from the United States and never lied about our clan or anything else.

[ImNotSomali]

Bur why do feed into his baits. You can easily win this battle and hand him an L if you ride with me. A terrible debater will always bring up irrelevant shit, duck and dodge, and bait you into retarded arguments that have nothing to do with the issue at hand. You can't be baited in that kind of stuff, because you give him a reason to stay in the debate with his irrelevant rhetoric than walk him out of thread.

Edit: Actually I just read your post, you did a good job. I take that back.
(before reading your post I assumed you were going to reply to him about whats going on in Somalia and clans and what-have you, my bad for that.)

[Buraanbur]

Way to not address my post and continue to stick to your rhetoric. Again using the false dilemma fallacy.

You keep arguing that if you don't agree with all aspects of so-called "western values", you are for sharia law.

So stop involving me with "the western world is fed up with bullshit". I'm neither for sharia law nor for policies of the government that infringes on people's freedoms. That's what the argument is about.

AJ, let me ask you this. If a conservative man proposed that schools should teach kids that homosexuality is immoral, what do you think the mainstream would say. Now, you know what they would say, there would be a huge backlash. So why is it in this case, those same points that they would bring up are not acceptable in this case? Get out here with these double standards.

Canada is supposed to be a free country. Where the role of the government is to be secular. Now all of a sudden the government wants to teach kids whats right and wrong? How is that different from using religion to teach kids whats right and wrong on a state level? Religion is just a buzz word here. Its just a made up word to separate "us from them". "O no, see we are different, that's religion, we are not using religion". Again, why is that relevant?

At the end of the day if your an atheist, religion is a man made set of rules accepted by the majority on what morality should be. Therefore, to protect the minority who disagree with it, governments should be neutral and separate morality from government.

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY what the liberal government is doing now with its new policy on the sex ed curriculum. There is a man made set of rules that has been accepted by the majority as what morality should be, and its being forced down on the minority who disagree with it. Exactly how it used to be when religion was used at the state level. Therefore, to protect the minority who disagree with it, governments should be neutral and separate morality from government. That's what being secular is all about.

CHECKMATE.

Exactly.

What Abdi is purposely ignoring is the reason people are protesting. This not about sexual education. The problem is that the liberal government is forcefully pushing their agenda down peoples throats. They are actively pushing a pro-LGBTQ agenda and trying to pass it off as sex ed. Tell me why students will be required to know and understand what a two-spirit (cross-gender) identity is? How will that help limit teen STD and pregnancy rates?

[AbdiJohnson]

My parents came before the war. They didn't claim some minority clan to get in. They did it the honest way 5 years before the collapse of the central govt.

Buranbuur, people who don't pay taxes and have not paid into the education system and came from countries they destroyed should shut up. Its the decent thing to do. But lets put our differences aside. Do you agree this curriculum is more than likely going to stay and that the ungrateful welfare parents have already lost? As much as the unemployed parents can look after their kids from 9 am to 3:30, the parents will in the next few days drive their kids to school. We don't see whiny bitches anymore in Paris do we? The niqabis took off their veils and the schoolgirls took off their hijabs in France. Things will settle down and like I said no loss to us if they stay home These people have high drop out rates. They become gangbangers. They become terrorists. They become drug addicts. They become useless people to society

I am,

Abdi "Keep crying" Johnson

You operate on a whole lot of assumptions and very little facts or anything of substance. You don't know whether these people pay taxes or not. You've come to this conclusion because of how they dress? I mean seriously?! Personally, I disagree with the niqab and even the jilbaab, but I believe these people have every right to express themselves as long as they do so within the limits of the law. Would you rather they riot? Do you even know why the new curriculum took so long to implement? It was because Christians were opposing it. Even with all of these protests, yes, I agree that the curriculum will continue and the parents will have their children abstain from attending sex ed all together. Most Muslim parents have been keeping their kids from these classes since I was in middle school.

Seriously, you want Canada to become like France? FRANCE??! They just banned a girl from school for wearing a skirt that was too long. Abdi, you're not a liberal. Just because you're an atheist doesn't make you a liberal. You're an Islamophobe and you support everything that you think is anti-Islam or that Muslims oppose. Your opinions are all over the place, but I'm absolutely sure that you're no liberal. For heavens sake, your parents were let into this country but here you are opposing Somali and Muslim immigration. You do understand that your parents would have been denied entry into the country and you wouldn't have been born in Canada if it were up to you, right?

Regarding my personal life, my family immigrated before the civil war from the United States and never lied about our clan or anything else.

Buranbur, I believe in liberal values but I vote Conservative. I share more with liberals but liberals are spineless shameless creatures. I despise liberal hippies who bend down for you people. I can't be labelled or defined. I am liberal to Chinese or Alawite people, gays, the handicap, the environment but not you people. You people don't deserve my tolerance and acceptance.

If tens of thousands of kids were able to stay at home today, its clear that they live in welfare households. You need two parent incomes to survive in Toronto or welfare.

I don't want Canada to turn into France but you people are making it go that direction. People have become fed up of you guys. The people are now becoming Islamophobic. You're doing yourselves no favors. The crime. The terrorism. The welfare fraud. The commotion. All the Muslims don't even number the Chinese here and look at how well behaved and calm the Chinese are. Why can't you be like them and be good citizens? We never hear a peep from them. Its always you guys the small minority who we always have to bend over for.

Buraanbur its your people's choice if you want to continue the madness. But believe me you are making people angry and it won't be long before politicians are getting support for being anti Islam. Things have changed. Tell your people to behave before its too late

I am,

Abdi "Remember me when things change" Johnson

[Buraanbur]

Seriously?! You haven't addressed a single thing I wrote. Thankfully, "my" people are protected by the laws of this land and you have no choice but to tolerate them just like we have no choice but to tolerate you. People are fed up with us? According to who? You live in Alberta my g, not Toronto. People love us over here; gangs, welfare fraud, and all.

[AbdiJohnson]

Way to not address my post d continue to stick to your rhetoric. Again using the false dilemma fallacy.

You keep arguing that if you don't agree with all aspects of so-called "western values", you are for sharia law.

So stop involving me with "the western world is fed up with bullshit". I'm neither for sharia law nor for policies of the government that infringes on people's freedoms. That's what the argument is about.

AJ, let me ask you this. If a conservative man proposed that schools should teach kids that homosexuality is immoral, what do you think the mainstream would say. Now, you know what they would say, there would be a huge backlash. So why is it in this case, those same points that they would bring up are not acceptable in this case? Get out here with these double standards.

Canada is supposed to be a free country. Where the role of the government is to be secular. Now all of a sudden the government wants to teach kids whats right and wrong? How is that different from using religion to teach kids whats right and wrong on a state level? Religion is just a buzz word here. Its just a made up word to separate "us from them". "O no, see we are different, that's religion, we are not using religion". Again, why is that relevant?

At the end of the day if your an atheist, religion is a man made set of rules accepted by the majority on what morality should be. Therefore, to protect the minority who disagree with it, governments should be neutral and separate morality from government.

BUT THAT'S EXACTLY what the liberal government is doing now with its new policy on the sex ed curriculum. There is a man made set of rules that has been accepted by the majority as what morality should be, and its being forced down on the minority who disagree with it. Exactly how it used to be when religion was used at the state level. Therefore, to protect the minority who disagree with it, governments should be neutral and separate morality from government. That's what being secular is all about.

CHECKMATE.

Exactly.

What Abdi is purposely ignoring is the reason people are protesting. This not about sexual education. The problem is that the liberal government is forcefully pushing their agenda down peoples throats. They are actively pushing a pro-LGBTQ agenda and trying to pass it off as sex ed. Tell me why students will be required to know and understand what a two-spirit (cross-gender) identity is? How will that help limit teen STD and pregnancy rates?

No such thing as a pro LGBTQ agenda. Its clear you have been brainwashed by the propaganda leaflets written in Arabic.

The kids need an alternative to the stuff they are taught at home and need clarification or education in things their parents dont tell them. Research shows that most 8 year olds have seen a porno. The jilbaab wearing mothers cannot explain to them what they have seen. Kids need to know why those two men are holding hands in the store. Its about knowledge. Not propaganda. The kids need to know that if they end up gay the bullshit their parents have been saying about gays is just their silly beliefs and should not turn them to suicide. Its about education not agendas and propaganda, something your side has proven to be experts in.

I am,

Abdi Johnson

[AbdiJohnson]

Seriously?! You haven't addressed a single thing I wrote. Thankfully, "my" people are protected by the laws of this land and you have no choice but to tolerate them just like we have no choice but to tolerate you. People are fed up with us? According to who? You live in Alberta my g, not Toronto. People love us over here; gangs, welfare fraud, and all.

Why do you keep repeating that I'm in Alberta. I'm a temporary resident for a few months. I still hold my 613 area code. I have no ties. Don't try to label me as someone I am not lool

Lol @ you have to tolerate me. No one loves your kind. Even your hippie defenders have left you to fend for yourselves.

Buranbur you are better off back in Somalia. You are better suited there

I am,

Abdi Johnson