Do somalis have ceeb culture?

[Cherine]

Buraanbur, ineel twitter laid bare all the refuse within some of our people that hitherto we would not have known about.

[SaciidAyanleh]

@Buranbuur, just because her particular circumstance isn't entirely normative, you cannot completely dismiss her message. You act as if she was the only one contributing/relating to her hashtags Or maybe they're all just lashing out at bad/extremist parents.

Here are disturbing tweets from one of the prominent members of this crowd. Do you agree with her?









Is this the shit you support?

Firstly, I don't support anyone. I support the rights of individuals to express themselves.

In regards to this girl's tweets, it is clearly hyperbole. Maybe she does suck ceeb in a hijab, maybe she doesn't. The point is to be controversial. The point is women are free to dress and act how they please. Malachite starts a thread about his girlfriend and got nothing but kind words of encouragement; SiennaEarth mentions a date she went on and the consensus was "fear Allah" and "you want the ceeb."

As for your assumptions on ALL their parents, good on you and others if you choose to believe that nonsense. Doesn't make it a sound argument

[Buraanbur]

Saciid,
Are you making sound arguments by giving Ms. Hoejabi the benefit of the doubt while painting all Somalis with one brush? You say "the point is to be controversial".. Being controversial as a means to an end is one thing, but what is their point? They're being controversial for the sake of being controversial. It's one thing to say that women's clothing should not be policed, but being a hijabi who proudly gives bjs in public achieves what exactly? You can't be serious. You want to talk about making sound arguments and here you are arguing for the right of some undercover thot to give head in a hijab.

Men and women the world over are held to different standards when it comes to sex and sexuality. Is it right? No. Do I agree with it? Of course no. But this is not a Somali issue, it's a global one so why target Somalis? We can all play this little game. It's women who take their daughters to get mutilated, it's women who perform/profit off of FGM, it's women who shame other women from reporting rape, it's women who take their drug dealing or gay son to Africa to marry under-aged girls etc. Painting Somali men in a certain light while making Somali women out to be saints achieves nothing. These same chicks are the type to come at a Somali female who doesn't agree with them with the same racist and sexist insults non-Somalis use against Somali females ( i.e. 'if you don't agree with me why don't you go back to Somalia and get mutilated you suugo smelling Maryan' lol). I won't stand for these females with obvious issues, many ( I never said all) from troubled backgrounds, insulting Somali men when I was raised by one. Find me one person from that crowd who was raised in a normal, tolerant, environment and a two parent household? I know you will hard-pressed to find even one.

You can stop white-knighting; they don't want your kind anyway and would rather settle for Tyrone in Bx than your 'ashy Abdi' ass.

Sonofanomad,

Many Somalis in the west are Salafis. Sufi Islam has been on a sharp decline since 1991.

[Kaafiye]

Buraanbur, you are the best :clap

I'm sure Riya and co. will say that I am an example of someone with internalized misogyny and I claim what I say to score cool points with guys online.

People like Saciid want us to believe that the daily lives of these women ( along with their environment/upbringing) has absolutely nothing to do with why they are the way are. How can this be? Our environment and parenting style have a tremendous impact on who we become later on in life. Is it a mere coincidence that nearly every ex-Muslim is from a suffocating/strict family as are many members of this twitter crowd? For heavens sake, some of these twitter chicks wear hijab not out of religious devotion but to please their parents. The chick whose tweets I posted was telling a non-Hijab to 'check' her privilege because she had no right to tell her to drop the Hijab if she was going to commit lewd acts in public. Instead of telling her that she'd crossed the line, her minions came and supported her. Is this what Saciid wants for us?

Much like vampires and their intolerance of sunlight, these females are intolerant of the truth and we cannot let them be the only voice. We must expose them for who/what they really are ( I'm not saying let's put their business out there, but we must expose their internalized Salafism and rebellion against it & their upbringing). There's nothing trailblazing or epic about them; they just went from one extreme to the other.

The suffocating nature of Salafism is what gave birth to these rabid, extreme leftist feminist Xaliimos. I totally agree, these people need to be exposed for the frauds that they are.

Our first step is to get rid of the notion that these liberals are on the side of compassion and empathy. One thing I've noticed with these Somali liberals on Twitter is that they put themselves on a platform where they feel superior to others who disagree with them. So if you don't subscribe to their warped view of the world, they will label you an "extremist", a "bigot", and other degrading titles.

I don't see these creatures raising money to help destitute orphans in Somalia. I don't see them donating money to all-girls schools in Somalia. I don't even see them using their Twitter platform to raise awareness for the plight of Somali refugees. These people don't care about our country or people. They just want to use this fake compassion as a bludgeon to attack anyone who disagrees with their twisted views. May Allah give these dogs what they deserve

[SonofANomad]

Buraanbur why is there soo many xalimos spreading hate against somali men? I dont understand?

Im just confused as to what happened to dumarka somalidaa! Why they are just voicing they are hate for us publicly!
I dont think we oppress you guys or done you wrong!





Its weird and not pleasant! I wish they stop this pro black femonazi crap and farax hating!

i wish they community could openly discuss issues pertaining to somali youth in diaspora! This is not healthy!

[Buraanbur]

Sonofanomad,
You need to understand that twitter tends to attract a particular type of Somali. Most of the Somali females on there may hate Somali men, but that isn't true for the rest of us outside of twitter world. The vast majority of Somali women in my neck of the woods marry Somali men and I'm sure it's the same wherever you're from. I say, let these women lie with whomever they want; them having non-Somali children should be seen as a victory for us. The problem I have is that they like playing hopscotch with the Somali community and Somali issues. They only see themselves as part of the community when it benefits them and only talk about issues for controversy sake. They need to leave the community all together instead of trying to infect young,impressionable, Somalis with their perverted views.

Kaafiye,

There is absolutely nothing sincere about them. I saw them exactly for what they were when they went in on some poor chick by using FGM insults against her, but they'll bless your mentions with unknown gender studies terminology if you dare refer to Caityln Jenner as a 'he'. I tried to give some of them the benefit of the doubt, but it all went right out the window at the moment. Forget about caring about real issues, do they even believe in what they're saying? Or is all of this a desperate ploy for attention and an attempt at rebelling against their environment/parents? It sickens me that people who were raised by extremists and are now rebelling by swinging to the other extreme can try to silence others by calling them extreme. Give it a few years and we will have a bunch of Kola Boof's ( calaacaling about colorism, self-hatred/internalized racism, black issues etc only to end up with a White man).

[gegiroor]

Sonofanomad,
You need to understand that twitter tends to attract a particular type of Somali. Most of the Somali females on there may hate Somali men, but that isn't true for the rest of us outside of twitter world. The vast majority of Somali women in my neck of the woods marry Somali men and I'm sure it's the same wherever you're from. I say, let these women lie with whomever they want; them having non-Somali children should be seen as a victory for us. The problem I have is that they like playing hopscotch with the Somali community and Somali issues. They only see themselves as part of the community when it benefits them and only talk about issues for controversy sake. They need to leave the community all together instead of trying to infect young,impressionable, Somalis with their perverted views.

Kaafiye,

There is absolutely nothing sincere about them. I saw them exactly for what they were when they went in on some poor chick by using FGM insults against her, but they'll bless your mentions with unknown gender studies terminology if you dare refer to Caityln Jenner as a 'he'. I tried to give some of them the benefit of the doubt, but it all went right out the window at the moment. Forget about caring about real issues, do they even believe in what they're saying? Or is all of this a desperate ploy for attention and an attempt at rebelling against their environment/parents? It sickens me that people who were raised by extremists and are now rebelling by swinging to the other extreme can try to silence others by calling them extreme. Give it a few years and we will have a bunch of Kola Boof's ( calaacaling about colorism, self-hatred/internalized racism, black issues etc only to end up with a White man).

As usual, sister Buraanbur is keeping it real

[SolidCamel]

She's projecting the life led by her Salafi parents onto the rest of us. I have never experienced this in my life, nor have my sisters, female cousins, or aunts. I bet if we look into the families of these twitter Somali feminists, they all have mothers who wear burqas who probably then forced them to cover before they even understood what a hijab symbolized and absentee dads ( probably with multiple wives). I know this is true for Riya and a few other Somali twitter feminists.

Instead of projecting her issues onto the whole community, she needs to address the issues that exist within her own family because this "ceeb" culture exists in HER environment. It took her 10+ years to tell them she was raped because of the "ceeb" culture that exists in her family. Her family were also the ones who pressured her to take down the video. I don't see how this is about our community as a whole?

Inaalilaah her parents are Salafi? Wouldn't have thought just by looking at her but i can see how it happened. Do they know she's gaalad?

Yes, her parents are Salafi. She is the only female in her family that doesn't cover, but even her younger sister wears the Somali jilbab which is very rare in Toronto. Farhiya insists that she's a still a Muslim, but she worships waaq in place of Allah so idk. I guess she's a progressive Muslim. lol Tbh her family consider her to be "qof wareersan" and she's actually on meds, so no one takes her views seriously. This is not to say I don't believe that she's been raped because walaahi I do, but her problem is with her family. The "ceeb" culture she speaks of exists within the walls of her home but I guess it's easier to blame those on the outside rather than place the blame on her parents and immediate family.

It shouldn't be surprising that her parents are Salafis. Ayan Hirsi's father was a Salafi-Takfiri, Amal Farah's mother is a Salafi, even our resident atheist AbdiJohnson is from a Salafi household.

Ironically I come from a family of faith. My dad and mom are very religious. So religious I had to watch tame TV shows like The Simpsons in secret when they werent around. So religious they wake me up for Fajr prayer to this day. So religious that the sound of any music, even in commercials, makes them very angry and demand it be turned off.

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Somalis need to understand the dangers of this cult and that all this suffocation will led their children into remixing the religion or leaving it all together.

Ayaan hirsi wasn't suffocated by Salafism. She was went to a catholic school in Kenya with her brother.

But I agree with what you're saying

[SonofANomad]

Buraanbur
Do you think this has to do with the universities teaching gender studies and brain washing these xalimos?
skipt to 4:36 in this video You will see that she says that the more elite the school is the more likely they are to take feminist propaganda seriously!


In every university/college in the uk & America they have something called gender studies were they brainwash young women with this nonsense

[incognito1]

Saciid,
Are you making sound arguments by giving Ms. Hoejabi the benefit of the doubt while painting all Somalis with one brush? You say "the point is to be controversial".. Being controversial as a means to an end is one thing, but what is their point? They're being controversial for the sake of being controversial. It's one thing to say that women's clothing should not be policed, but being a hijabi who proudly gives bjs in public achieves what exactly? You can't be serious. You want to talk about making sound arguments and here you are arguing for the right of some undercover thot to give head in a hijab.

Men and women the world over are held to different standards when it comes to sex and sexuality. Is it right? No. Do I agree with it? Of course no. But this is not a Somali issue, it's a global one so why target Somalis? We can all play this little game. It's women who take their daughters to get mutilated, it's women who perform/profit off of FGM, it's women who shame other women from reporting rape, it's women who take their drug dealing or gay son to Africa to marry under-aged girls etc. Painting Somali men in a certain light while making Somali women out to be saints achieves nothing. These same chicks are the type to come at a Somali female who doesn't agree with them with the same racist and sexist insults non-Somalis use against Somali females ( i.e. 'if you don't agree with me why don't you go back to Somalia and get mutilated you suugo smelling Maryan' lol). I won't stand for these females with obvious issues, many ( I never said all) from troubled backgrounds, insulting Somali men when I was raised by one. Find me one person from that crowd who was raised in a normal, tolerant, environment and a two parent household? I know you will hard-pressed to find even one.

You can stop white-knighting; they don't want your kind anyway and would rather settle for Tyrone in Bx than your 'ashy Abdi' ass.

Sonofanomad,

Many Somalis in the west are Salafis. Sufi Islam has been on a sharp decline since 1991.

its time we create a team buraanbur

[Buraanbur]

Ayaan hirsi wasn't suffocated by Salafism. She was went to a catholic school in Kenya with her brother.

But I agree with what you're saying

I am related to her and her father (aun) was a well-known Salafi. When she got married and was meant to come to Canada, she was a jilbab clad Salafi. Her father was an educated man ( one of the first Somalis to graduate from Columbia) and wanted the same for his daughter, but he was a Takfiri so many of her relatives were not surprised when Ayaan turned out the way that she did.

Btw, I believe it was her brother who went to a catholic school.

Buraanbur
Do you think this has to do with the universities teaching gender studies and brain washing these xalimos?
skipt to 4:36 in this video You will see that she says that the more elite the school is the more likely they are to take feminist propaganda seriously!


In every university/college in the uk & America they have something called gender studies were they brainwash young women with this nonsense

Where I'm from gender studies is taken by rich white chicks who don't plan on working upon graduation and people who couldn't get into any other course. lol I remember being told to take a gender studies class as an elective because it was an easy A. I dropped it after the first class 'cause the lecture hall could double as an LGBT meet-and-greet. They propagate this victomhood mentality and attract a certain type of person ( queers, people of color, and white people with a savior complex). I do believe these courses play a role in why these type of Somalis are becoming more prevalent, but I also think labels like 'feminist' are ridiculous. Feminism in its current form benefits white women (and they're even abandoning it). Why should I pick up a cause that separates me from my own kind and doesn't benefit me in any way? Do you know that on average, white women make more than black men? But I'm supposed to care that white women make 77 cents for every dollar a white man earns? LOL It's disturbing how many women actually fall for this nonsensical crap. I believe in justice and equality. These gaalos can keep their million labels and causes.

[SonofANomad]

Buraanbur
they dont make 77cents for every dollar a man makes watch the video! the gender wage gap is bulshitt!
Men are more likely to take higher paying jobs and work longer hours!
Women are more likely to take long absence of leave! they are also less likely to nogatiate pay!

You see how the wage gap bulshitt is misleading propaganda! they dont take what men and women make for the same job working the same hours then compare!
it turns out women make 1% more than men do if you do that! now they are saying that women are pushed to make such choices by the patiarchy like you guys are some little moronic kids who cant make responsible adult choices!

I dont know why they want to make women feel like victims and oppressed all the time! Whats attractive with it!
Feminism has become a billion dollar business and relies on Female victim complex!

i bet every one of these twitter xalimos have taken gender studies and the Female presidential candidate from harvard! Its poisonous!
I has zero to do with peoples rights, it is just self righteous spewel to tell people in the first world that they are oppressed and victims while they out preform & out earn men on average! They even exploit 3rd world issues to make themselves feel and look good!

Presidential candidate Fadumo Dayib lady said to the BBC that once ur somali women you already dont matter! WTF!
Then she said on a tv talk show that a somali women dies when she is born and also other exagurated bull
i dont want her ever to become president what a brainwashed piece of crap, to think i thought she was someone with knowledge of self and her people! What she truly is a product of harvard gender studies!

[Buraanbur]

My bad, didn't have the time to look over the video. Anyway, my point was it doesn't matter if women make more or less than men when white people as a collective ( both white men and white men) on average make more than every other racial groups except for Asians. Modern feminism is about championing white women's causes. It offers nothing to me as a Somali/Muslim woman.

[Kaafiye]

Buraanbur is on fire today

This is nothing but the truth.

[SaciidAyanleh]

Saciid,
Are you making sound arguments by giving Ms. Hoejabi the benefit of the doubt while painting all Somalis with one brush? You say "the point is to be controversial".. Being controversial as a means to an end is one thing, but what is their point? They're being controversial for the sake of being controversial. It's one thing to say that women's clothing should not be policed, but being a hijabi who proudly gives bjs in public achieves what exactly? You can't be serious. You want to talk about making sound arguments and here you are arguing for the right of some undercover thot to give head in a hijab.

Again, there you go assuming. I never once said "twitter 'activists' are working towards ending these serious issues," I find all of social media to be vapid and self-serving, from celebrities to activists to authors to academics to world leaders to corporations to NGOs etc etc.

Also, these characters are extremely secular or agnostic/atheistic. To them, this is not a conversation about religion but rather a conversation about liberalism; however, the discussion cannot be entirely removed from a religious framework. So your outrage over a girl talking about fellatio in a hijab - which, in the West, isn't all that shocking - only resonates with a religion-over-everything-else crowd such as this site. Call me a kafir if you like, I am team Leftist, team Reformation.

Men and women the world over are held to different standards when it comes to sex and sexuality. Is it right? No. Do I agree with it? Of course no. But this is not a Somali issue, it's a global one so why target Somalis? We can all play this little game. It's women who take their daughters to get mutilated, it's women who perform/profit off of FGM, it's women who shame other women from reporting rape, it's women who take their drug dealing or gay son to Africa to marry under-aged girls etc. Painting Somali men in a certain light while making Somali women out to be saints achieves nothing.

Ok, male dominance/female subjugation is the long-standing paradigm of human society. It is only natural, if the overwhelming majority of society subscribes to this paradigm, that women would be active actors in their own subjugation. And as the dominant gender, it is up to men to question their position and their concept of gender roles.

These same chicks are the type to come at a Somali female who doesn't agree with them with the same racist and sexist insults non-Somalis use against Somali females ( i.e. 'if you don't agree with me why don't you go back to Somalia and get mutilated you suugo smelling Maryan' lol).

Again, I am only defending their right to express their opinions.

I won't stand for these females with obvious issues, many ( I never said all) from troubled backgrounds, insulting Somali men when I was raised by one. Find me one person from that crowd who was raised in a normal, tolerant, environment and a two parent household? I know you will hard-pressed to find even one.

Again, that is no argument. "I got an anecdote, how about you?"