Interesting Debate. Somalilanders VS Delusional Unionists .

[abdikarim86]

Let us get one thing straight first please, Djibouti's Somali population is NOT 800-900 thousand for the love of God
it's population in 2000 was 460,000 for the entire country.

A very generous growth rate of 3.5% per annum would give it a max population of
700-750 thousand people today in 2015.

My whole point is that your population estimates are off base and and deeply misleading.
You do not number more than Isaaq in Djibouti, and you certainly do not number 150,000 to 200,000 in Djibouti.

That is all

[DR-YALAXOOW]

so called 5ta somali never existed and will never exist in the future. the real issue here is keeping togather the territorial integrity of this country who have this international recogniced map and boders. sheekada 5ta soomali wax soconaya maaha..

[AGENT447]

You sort of misunderstood me Abdow. If you reread my comments, I have not stated once that Gadabursi are equal to Ciise in population in Djb.
Its more than saf to say the ethnic Somalis number around 800-900k, so at least 200k of those are GB.. I would even concede for argument's sake and say, make 200k and give ciise 600k and isaaq deff no more than Gadabursi. So whats the argument here?

I have already stated its just a personal estimation...I dont need some Franji outdated references in the mid 20th century to get an idea about the current reality in Djb.....Yaakh safaad baad wadaa maaha malmaha ramadan lool

Exactly, its not like Somalis were keeping track of tribal breakdown over the past 200 years. Demography isn't their strong suit. And if that were so I'm certain the tribal constitution has changed considerably over time. Gadabursi have larger numbers in Ethiopia than they do in Djibouti and Awdal combined.

Absolutely I didnt even bother mentioning that in detail and thought why not inform the MJ fella about our presence and influence in Djibouti rather than Ethiopia when he said Gbs dont have influence anywhere outside Awdal ahaha....Such a willful ignorance is endearing at times....And than our Yakhii friend Abdi just nit picked one phrase out of my comment..A bit funny. Anyway dont you think its a bit alarming these guys who have been engaging in all sorts of fadhi ku dirir on snet have always seen/looked/measured the GBs through the lenses of Awdal. How very intriguing and dubious is that!
Ramadan Kareeem cuz and hope you have a blessed month of fasting Insha allah......You are such an invaluable asset walahi lol but I bet u already knew that

Le Justifier Thanks a lot mate.....Its a bit weird and alarming even there aint many of us here who are able express themselves in a reasonable manner.
Ramadan kareem btw Suldan

[abdikarim86]

so called 5ta somali never existed and will never exist in the future. The real issue here is keeping together the territorial integrity of this country who have this international recognized map and borders. sheekada 5ta soomali wax soconaya maaha..
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The audacity ..... there are 50,000 foreign soldiers ensuring you do not murder
your own brother and then you have the nerve to talk about integrity?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

The audacity ..... there are 50,000 foreign soldiers ensuring you do not murder
your own brother and then you have the nerve to talk about integrity?

first there is no brothers fighting in south, its just your old delusional ictiraaf looking cantrabaqash iidheh which people of ictiraafland last 25 years ay aqoonsi ku raadin jireen... second yes in south there are al shabaab terrorist attacks, desperately doing suicide attacks here and there and many suicide bombers are from burco hargeysa..

About foreignier soldiers?? there is no singal foreignier soldier in streets of mine cities in south.. Amisom soldiers are confined in military camps.
the only soldiers you see in xamar or jowhar or marka. Cadaado and other towns are somali police and secutiry forces like this ones .


territorial integrity of a nation if something that is very difficult to change.. in your case so called somaliland sida debate ka muuqata , maakhirland. khaatumo. and awdaland. dhamaan land land kaas ka jira somaliland waxa kaliya ay sii adkeynayaan territorial integrity dalka somaliya. waayo haddii somaliya la kala gooyo.. khaatumo and awdaland and maakhir iyaguna xuriyad ayey doonayaan..

[Sophisticate]

You sort of misunderstood me Abdow. If you reread my comments, I have not stated once that Gadabursi are equal to Ciise in population in Djb.
Its more than saf to say the ethnic Somalis number around 800-900k, so at least 200k of those are GB.. I would even concede for argument's sake and say, make 200k and give ciise 600k and isaaq deff no more than Gadabursi. So whats the argument here?

I have already stated its just a personal estimation...I dont need some Franji outdated references in the mid 20th century to get an idea about the current reality in Djb.....Yaakh safaad baad wadaa maaha malmaha ramadan lool

Exactly, its not like Somalis were keeping track of tribal breakdown over the past 200 years. Demography isn't their strong suit. And if that were so I'm certain the tribal constitution has changed considerably over time. Gadabursi have larger numbers in Ethiopia than they do in Djibouti and Awdal combined.

Absolutely I didnt even bother mentioning that in detail and thought why not inform the MJ fella about our presence and influence in Djibouti rather than Ethiopia when he said Gbs dont have influence anywhere outside Awdal ahaha....Such a willful ignorance is endearing at times....And than our Yakhii friend Abdi just nit picked one phrase out of my comment..A bit funny. Anyway dont you think its a bit alarming these guys who have been engaging in all sorts of fadhi ku dirir on snet have always seen/looked/measured the GBs through the lenses of Awdal. How very intriguing and dubious is that!
Ramadan Kareeem cuz and hope you have a blessed month of fasting Insha allah......You are such an invaluable asset walahi lol but I bet u already knew that

Le Justifier Thanks a lot mate.....Its a bit weird and alarming even there aint many of us here who are able express themselves in a reasonable manner.
Ramadan kareem btw Suldan

If anything snet members always provide me with much needed entertainment. You simply can't compare the east to the west. I know little of the east, so I'll just keep to my lane and won't speak about it. However, if there's one thing I can't stand its misinformation. It's great that you're here cuz, you are an asset as Lejustier just indicated. Ramadan Kareem to you and the family. That goes for the rest of you amigos too.

[GeoSeven]

Yeah, it was interesting and I was actually enjoying it until Professor Samatar terminated the discourse with his self entitled rudeness. The mans incredibly rude. You'd think that a college professor would be mindful of his allotted speech time, leave alone terrorizing the forum host audibly for reminding him that he's going over the time limit.

[Sophisticate]

Yeah, it was interesting and I was actually enjoying it until Professor Samatar terminated the discourse with his self entitled rudeness. The mans incredibly rude. You'd think that a college professor would be mindful of his allotted speech time, leave alone terrorizing the forum host audibly for reminding him that he's going over the time limit.

Professor, Hussein Warsame - the chair of the Faculty of Accounting at the University of Calgary, is more well-mannered than Professor Samatar. And I'm not saying that because the former is my uncle. Just stating the facts. The dude needs to check his ego at the door.

[SultanOrder]

Professor Hassan Warsame was the only one that about real politic, internation law, and likely outcome. SL put themselves in a box and like the professor said has gone as far as it can go being unrecognized. It is no Taiwan where there was super powers interested in their success despite being unrecognized. This staunch stance of seccessionism may lead to a civil war in SL.

[SultanOrder]

Yeah, it was interesting and I was actually enjoying it until Professor Samatar terminated the discourse with his self entitled rudeness. The mans incredibly rude. You'd think that a college professor would be mindful of his allotted speech time, leave alone terrorizing the forum host audibly for reminding him that he's going over the time limit.

This is why he will never go anywhere. He walked out after being asked about his flip flopping.

[AGENT447]

Most pple who have put Prof Samatar on the back foot are GB members loool It's difficult to bulshit your own folks and tip toe around the fact that that you are seen as one of most unprincipled Somali intellectual.

For a guy who reaped the benefits of Greater Somalia when it was intact and reached as far as top tier academic training at its expense, have also been a staunch advocate for the Unity of Somalia for his entire existence, you would think he would present his arguments in an intelligent and reasonable manner for why Somaliland should be allowed to go it's separate way and NOT shit on the same name and country that have helped him get there. but no, he has to still embarrass his tolkii wherever he goes and he has been doing so since his unilateral U-turn on the issue of Unionism vs Secessionism . Aaah how the mighty has fallen!

Prof Warsame was and has never been nowhere near Prof Samatar in terms of reputation and prestige lol yet look at them today, compare the two and how they conducted and carried themselves! It's obvious from just that debate that Prof Warsame is more academically sound and more intellectual by the simple fact that one is a head of a Faculty of Accounting while the other is what? Something about international relations. I think he still got karbaashed and made to feel hot and bothered in his own academical turf. What a bloody git he has become.

@Sophs, is Prof Warsame an Adan Yonis guy? Lol excuse the bluntness

[gobdoon]

I agree with dr yalaxow on this booran hadimo ha qodin hadad qodana ha dheerayn, i am glad you all people in former somalibritish border dont share or agree each other of this illusion of independent somali which is even non starter without the blessing of every from that region hadad iskuwada raacdaan oo hal mowqif kawada istaagtan , somalidayada kale ducan idiinku darayna.

[Sophisticate]

Most pple who have put Prof Samatar on the back foot are GB members loool It's difficult to bulshit your own folks and tip toe around the fact that that you are seen as one of most unprincipled Somali intellectual.

For a guy who reaped the benefits of Greater Somalia when it was intact and reached as far as top tier academic training at its expense, have also been a staunch advocate for the Unity of Somalia for his entire existence, you would think he would present his arguments in an intelligent and reasonable manner for why Somaliland should be allowed to go it's separate way and NOT shit on the same name and country that have helped him get there. but no, he has to still embarrass his tolkii wherever he goes and he has been doing so since his unilateral U-turn on the issue of Unionism vs Secessionism . Aaah how the mighty has fallen!

Prof Warsame was and has never been nowhere near Prof Samatar in terms of reputation and prestige lol yet look at them today, compare the two and how they conducted and carried themselves! It's obvious from just that debate that Prof Warsame is more academically sound and more intellectual by the simple fact that one is a head of a Faculty of Accounting while the other is what? Something about international relations. I think he still got karbaashed and made to feel hot and bothered in his own academical turf. What a bloody git he has become.

@Sophs, is Prof Warsame an Adan Yonis guy? Lol excuse the bluntness

Agent he isn't Adan Yonis. The professor's mother is Reer Farax Nur, just like hooyo.

[samatar133]

Kaa yar ee dhakada xun leh ee dooda xidhiidhinayaa intuu warqad goostay oo uu ku qoray STOP, ayuu hor dhigay profesor Samatar. That was extremely disrespectful language. I would be irritated myself hadii lay soo hor dhigi lahaa warqad ay ku qoron tahay STOP anigoo khudbad badhtanka ugu jira. I bet profesor Samatar would not have reacted the way he reacted if the idiot moderating the debate used acceptable language such as__ your time is due or your time has finished can you please summarise instead of writing stop

[theyuusuf143]

Marka laga yimaado siyaasad iyo cantarabaqash Anagu putland na ka adkin hawiyena ciidan uu leeyahay nasoo weerari maayo. Xaqiiqatan soomaali cidna maanta naga itaal rooni ma jirto. Maraykan iyo gaalona cirka naga duqayn mayso oo iska dimuquraadi baanu nahay. Soomaaliyeey yaan been laydinku sheekayn somaliland waxa jidkay ku taagantahay ka weecin kara oo keliya marka la helo Soomaali naga xiniinyo buurbuuran. Inta ka horaysa meelahaa iska mudaharaada.