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gegiroor wrote:

Sumubaridi wrote: They always talk about how the husband is not helping in the putting the kids on the bus and taking them out of the bus so she does not have to come out at all. One thing somali women score record is talk, talk, talk and talk more while in the kitchen.

Sumubaridi bro, didn't you want them in the Kitchen? If I am not mistaken, one of your earlier comments stated the place of women is in the kitchen, so why do you have an issue with it now?

Another point, if the wife is taking care of things at home, preparing the kids to school, walking with the children until they get on the bus, and getting the kids off the school bus when they come back from school, in my view that is a full-time job.

Husband goes to work, comes back home and brings back the grocery, good. I see a division of labor right there where everyone is contributing to the family.

Do you know the difference between Habashi men and Somali guys? Habashi men are too jealous where the husband can't fathom him going to work while wifey stays home. In their culture, Habashis man thinks another man will sneak in the back door while the husband is at work. Acuudubillaah, you will only find Habashi men killing their wives out of jealousy. This is probably why you see both of them going to work together. Alhamdulillaah, we (Somali men) don't have that illness.

Another thing in other non-Muslim cultures is, they expect their women to bring money home and pay their fair share of the bills. However, in Muslim societies, including us, the financial responsibility is on the men. If the wives can help it, fine, but the financial responsibility is on the men. Khalif Omar Bin Al-Khattab (May Allah be pleased with him) was asked about the status of women. He has responded, "When I looked at my wife with all of the things she is going through, carrying children in her womb, labor, raising children, and educating children, I can only conclude that this woman is in Jihad." That is the wisdom in Islam. Women are already in Jihad in their life-time, so demanding them to face more hardships, like going to work, bring the grocery, and contributing to the household financially is really overburdening them. Of course, in the Somali diaspora, in many families, women are doing every thing. And it is happening because many men are not full-filling their obligations.

One advice I have for you is, go to the fadhikudirir places and see how many men sitting there. Do you know any fadhikudir centers where women gather to just kill time? I have never seen it in my over 20 years in the diaspora. So long story short bro Sumubaridi, calm down this rhetoric and Somali woman bashing. They are our moms, daughters, sisters, and wives. Good luck to in finding a wife!

Sumubaridi wrote:I live in an appartment which has so many Somali couples, habashi couples and Oromo Couples. In the morning, the Ethiopian women wear their jeans in the middle of the Ice and walk to the aiport to clean. The husband does the same. You will see them in the evening helping each other and dragging the kids and cunto back and forth. Basically, Ethiopian women are the left hand of their man and they work so hard and so loyal to their marriage. I only see Somali women in the morning putting their kids to school with their baati. They again come out at 3PM to collect the kids from the bus and go back home. The Somali husband goes to the grocery and carries gallons of milk, boxes of food, and all that after a long day of work and tiredness. She does not even bother to come out to help. I am talking about 7 years of living in this appartment. They always talk about how the husband is not helping in the putting the kids on the bus and taking them out of the bus so she does not have to come out at all. One thing somali women score record is talk, talk, talk and talk more while in the kitchen.

WaaliCas wrote:

Sumubaridi wrote:I live in an appartment which has so many Somali couples, habashi couples and Oromo Couples. In the morning, the Ethiopian women wear their jeans in the middle of the Ice and walk to the aiport to clean. The husband does the same. You will see them in the evening helping each other and dragging the kids and cunto back and forth. Basically, Ethiopian women are the left hand of their man and they work so hard and so loyal to their marriage. I only see Somali women in the morning putting their kids to school with their baati. They again come out at 3PM to collect the kids from the bus and go back home. The Somali husband goes to the grocery and carries gallons of milk, boxes of food, and all that after a long day of work and tiredness. She does not even bother to come out to help. I am talking about 7 years of living in this appartment. They always talk about how the husband is not helping in the putting the kids on the bus and taking them out of the bus so she does not have to come out at all. One thing somali women score record is talk, talk, talk and talk more while in the kitchen.

Runtada sheegtay. Habashiida weliba way kala dumaar fiicaan yahiin. Kuwa Amharadu wa naago jiira. Oromaduna aad bay uu fiican yahin lakin nimanka Oromadu naagahoda way dilaan.

naag Somali is out off fashion. Maybe few jareer will desire them.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity and are good believers — are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter, and for them will be a great torment”

[al-Noor 24:23].

“And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever. They indeed are the Faasiqoon (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

[al-Noor 24:4].

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid the seven sins that doom a person to Hell.” It was said: What are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “Associating others with Allaah (shirk); witchcraft; killing a soul whom Allaah has forbidden us to kill, except in cases dictated by Islamic law; consuming orphans’ wealth; consuming riba; fleeing from the battlefield; and slandering chaste, innocent women.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2767) and Muslim (89).

gegiroor wrote:For myself and the rest of you, let us remind ourselves with these 2 verses in the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith that follows after them:

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity and are good believers — are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter, and for them will be a great torment”

[al-Noor 24:23].

“And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever. They indeed are the Faasiqoon (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

[al-Noor 24:4].

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid the seven sins that doom a person to Hell.” It was said: What are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “Associating others with Allaah (shirk); witchcraft; killing a soul whom Allaah has forbidden us to kill, except in cases dictated by Islamic law; consuming orphans’ wealth; consuming riba; fleeing from the battlefield; and slandering chaste, innocent women.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2767) and Muslim (89).

Sumubaridi wrote:

gegiroor wrote:For myself and the rest of you, let us remind ourselves with these 2 verses in the Holy Qur'an and the Hadith that follows after them:

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, those who accuse chaste women, who never even think of anything touching their chastity and are good believers — are cursed in this life and in the Hereafter, and for them will be a great torment”

[al-Noor 24:23].

“And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever. They indeed are the Faasiqoon (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allaah)”

[al-Noor 24:4].

And the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Avoid the seven sins that doom a person to Hell.” It was said: What are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “Associating others with Allaah (shirk); witchcraft; killing a soul whom Allaah has forbidden us to kill, except in cases dictated by Islamic law; consuming orphans’ wealth; consuming riba; fleeing from the battlefield; and slandering chaste, innocent women.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2767) and Muslim (89).

Sxb this ayahs do not apply in this context. We are not accussing somali women of adultry and Zina which this ayah's are talking about. We are accussing them of being disobedient and hard headed. Mise adigu ayadaad aragtaba meeshii ay kuula macaanaato ayaad ujiidaa.