Somalis universal sense of nobility closely related to their unbounded pride in their Somali-ness.

[Bilis]

Common dude, some Samburus are like 80% cushitic. Maasais even discriminate against some of their own because many maasias are not real maasais but clans from other tribes that made linguistic shifts to Maasai, they even have a caste-system

And here are links to Leys and Joyce's measurement tables for the Maasai and Njemps individuals (1, 2, 3, 4). Notice how 60 out of 91 of the Maasai individuals (66%) or the majority had nasal indices in the mesorrhine/medium-sized range. This includes values of 70 to 84.9 on the living head:



A further 20 out of 91 of the Maasai individuals (22%) were platyrrhine/broad-nosed, like most of the Nilotes and Bantus that had little Cushitic influence. The remaining 11 out of 91 (12%) of the Maasai individuals were leptorrhine/narrow-nosed. One of those individuals was actually almost hyper-leptorrhine/very narrow-nosed. Leys and Joyce explain the Maasai's nasal indices thusly:

The Hamitic element in relative purity is represented by the Somali[...] In connection with the measurements discussed below, may be taken into consideration the following observations made by the eye alone. There is very little outward resemblance between the Somali and Masai, but the Masai, Kamasia, Njemps, Nandi, and Lumbwa are not very easy to distinguish one from another[...] Tables 7 and 13, nasal indices, do not show nearly so sharp a distinction between Nilotic and Bantu as the table of cephalic indices. In fact there seems to be practically no line of demarcation. Of course the Somali have by far the lowest index; they are followed, at some distance, by the Nilotes (except the Kavirondo tribes, and the Turkana who, as we have seen, are distinguished by exceptionally broad noses)[...] The effect of the strong element of Hamitic blood in the Masai has been to modify the nose of that people to such an extent that a great difference in the measurements makes its appearance.”

Evidently, the leptorrhine/narrow-nosed individuals among the Maasai indeed have the strongest Cushitic influence, as you suggested.

[Damat]

I've had the opportunity to visit Nairobi before, but stayed there only briefly. I don't recall seeing many Maasai individuals that looked like they may have had significant Cushitic ancestry.

I forgot to add that Nairobi is the worst place to look for Maasais, don't you know Maasais rejected urban life they are hard-core nomads for life, some Maasais don't even recognize Kenya & Tanzania as real states, urbanized Maasais are too few to notice. Nairobi is dominated by Luos & Luhyas today, even the Governor of Nairobi is a Luo. Western Kenya is too over-populated thats why they move to Nairobi. Luos & Luhyas are the work-horses of the nation, these guys do everything, they dominate the army & sports teams, they especially excel in labour intensive jobs, other tribes are quite lazy compared to these folks.

[Bilis]

I forgot to add that Nairobi is the worst place to look for Maasais, don't you know Maasais rejected urban life they are hard-core nomads for life, some Maasais don't even recognize Kenya & Tanzania as real states, urbanized Maasais are too few to notice. Nairobi is dominated by Luos & Luhyas today, even the Governor of Nairobi is a Luo. Western Kenya is too over-populated thats why they move to Nairobi. Luos & Luhyas are the work-horses of the nation, these guys do everything, they dominate the army & sports teams, they especially excel in labour intensive jobs, other tribes are quite lazy compared to these folks.

Got it.

You also indicated that western Kenyan Bantu and Nilotic populations (Luos/Luhyas) and coastal Kenyan groups (Mijikenda) have low to no Cushitic influence, whereas most central highland Kenyan populations (like Maasai and Samburu) have higher levels of such influence. Given this, what do you make of this new study, which found that around 50% of Turkana carried haplogroup E1b1b (use "+" and "Ctrl" to make the tree larger)?



Of those, around 33% of Turkana carried the V22 subclade. This E1b1b sublineage today peaks among the Cushitic-speaking Saho of Eritrea. It would thus appear that the Turkana's Nilotic ancestors absorbed some of the Eastern Cushites that built the ancient Namoratunga megalithic structures in northwestern Kenya, shortly after these early Afro-Asiatic peoples had migrated down from the Horn region.

Also notice how around 22% of Tutsis were found to carry the M293 subclade of E1b1b. This, in turn, suggests that they absorbed some Southern ‎Cushites since M293 is the signature Southern ‎Cushite E1b1b sublineage.

[Itrah]

@Bilis,

The Turkana generally have lower Cushitic autosomal DNA than the Maasai do. It peaks highest in the Samburu.

[Bilis]

^The small sample size of six Turkana individuals is probably a factor. Especially if these individuals were from particular clans that have significant Cushitic influence.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

and both isaaq and daaroods have more jareer looking members than hawiye and raxanweyns. Why is that ??

[Itrah]

and both isaaq and daaroods have more jareer looking members than hawiye and raxanweyns. Why is that ??

Maybe in your upside down world. Anyone who has traveled inside Somalia can attest to the opposite being true.

Don't make Bilis pull out anthropometric skull charts comparing Northern vs Southern skulls. He will pwn your ass.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Itrah, we dont have members like this fellow Harti clansman

[Itrah]

Itrah, we dont have members like this fellow Harti clansman

Dude, you are a 40 year old man who has met many of Somalis in your life. You very well know that look is not average and simply just strange/deformed. Maybe 1 in 200 look like him. He is an outlier.

Does Abdullahi Yusuf look like him? No. Get a life man.



Prepare to get pwned by Bilis with actual scientific data.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

ITRAH of course you have sOME Srilankes/Bangaledishi looking members also but daroods and isaaqs have more west african looking members than any other somali clans..

[Itrah]

ITRAH of course you have sOME Srilankes/Bangaledishi looking members also but daroods and isaaqs have more west african looking members than any other somali clans..

Haha... Bilis has access to data of skull measurements of Northern Somalis. They are one of the least Negroid in the Horn of Africa. Prepare to get owned.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

show me qof hawiye sankaan oo kale leh

[Itrah]

show me qof hawiye sankaan oo kale leh

Same clan, looks nothing like him, get a life:

[DR-YALAXOOW]

ITRAH.. of course you also have Arab looking ones.. who knows maybe hes mother lended DNA from a Arab yemeni men.. its WELL known pass time sport in bunaaniland "lending DNA-s to eachother and from forigniers..

[Hyperactive]

nothing noble about somalis. killers, tooho, rapist, khayaano baa ko faafay. nobolity is not blood but akhlaaqda ba noble laka noqda.