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Kaafiye wrote:

SaciidAyanleh wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:It's a crazy how 60% of Americans were against gay marriage 15 years ago and now that same number is for it

It's astounding.

More people realize it's not a choice and, therefore, shouldn't be discriminated against.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

Yes it is a choice. Hence why you see homosexual activity in American prisons....bring committed by men who are otherwise straight. So it is a choice to be gay.

And even if it wasn't a choice....so what? Are we so backwards that we act on our own impulses and fail to exercise self-restraint? I know of people who are attracted to their own mothers (through no fault of their own). Should they be permitted to pursue such a relationship and if not, why not?

This tired argument again. Male on male sexual violence is a form of social dominance as old as humanity, it has nothing to do with sexual orientation. Men adopt this mentality that it isn't "gay" if you're the one doing the penetrating, and the act is seen as humiliating and emasculating the receiver.

You lack empathy, you takfiri wahabist. If it isn't a choice put yourself in their position. Imagine a world where homosexuality is the norm and heterosexuality is taboo. Now imagine a major line of argument against your sexuality is "don't give into your urges" and "just marry and sleep with a man." Very reasonable advice, huh? In this hypothetical, your only response should be "yeah, I would sleep with a man if that were the case."

"What's next, incest?" No one can stop blood relatives from entering a sexual relationship. In terms of marriage, being attracted to your relatives isn't a sexual orientation, so I don't see the relevance to this issue. "What about bestiality?" The animals are non-consensual parties. "Pederasty?" The children are non-consensual parties. Anything else, Kaafiye???

Nothing to do with empathy, there is a choice, a minority of men have a condition called klinefelter's syndrome which is a genetic abnormality of a male born with XXY (AN EXTRA X) INSTEAD OF XY <-- these people have high estrogen levels, and very low testosterone levels, and thus appear feminine, but this does not necessarily mean they desire to be with a man, a example here, a well known Somali artist who according to most is a feminine man getting married to a woman, they probably have kids by now.



This gender abnormality does not create desire for the same sex, that desire is rooted in the mind and can be treated, but as you know that is not what the elite want.

P.S, heterosexuality is the normative found in nature and in human nature, therefore your hypothesis falls on it's knees because the world can't exist if it were dominantly homosexual, the human race would be extinct, there very fact we are here is because all of us come from 'heterosexual' families, which is and will always be the norm.

Nayaa Basra go be messy elsewhere and quit accusing me of being homosexual in the month of Ramadhan.

ZubeirAwal wrote:Sienna did you know in San Fransico there is a organization that is allowed to exist that is called NAMBLA, which stands for;

North American Man-Boy Love Association,

in other words Pedophilia, they march every year on the gay parades, campaigning for a legalization of pedophilia...


http://www.nambla.org

Wallahi this is the state of the world we live in today. Today they legalise gay marriages tomorrow they will legalise incest and pedophilia. Even here in the UK some mps were trying to change the legal consent age to 10.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... o-ten.html

LMAO, do you know this man has klinefelter's syndrome?.....stick to your lane buddy. It's been known since 2008 that gay male brains resemble straight female brains and vice versa for gay female/straight male brains.

Have you ever talked to a homosexual? Asked them how they view their sexuality? It is exactly your lack of empathy that engenders your hate. But according to you it is righteous to hate that which Allah hates, so continue living with hate in your heart.


PS There you go again with your lack of empathy. Can't even imagine yourself in the shoes of the people you hate.

There is no hate, there is only reality, words like love and hate are subjective to human societies, what one society loves, another might hate, with that being said I do not commit myself to subjective truths. Back to the topic, marriage is the very reason why the human species prospered, through it we became families, tribes, clans and whole nations that all have a motherland.

America on the other hand is a melting pot so it is to be expected that they of all nations permit this sort of thing, every child has a right to know it's biological parents, even in the Qur'an Allah orders the believers to not give adopted children their adopted parent's surnames, but the backward-melting pot that is the west today says otherwise.

Every human being should have the freedom to do what they wish with their personal lives, be it perusing their desires or perusing a higher purpose, but shoving a idea such as gay marriage constantly through all forms of communication is in fact a agenda, and I have every right to disagree with it.

However I understand if some choose to be shallow and call names because they actually find out that there are people who disagree with them.

The female brain and the male brain are radically different, you claim that the minds of gay men and women are similar, I welcome you to demonstrate this claim, and please do not cite a study carried out by a gay doctor, right from the onset it would seem very biased.

I'm glad you don't disagree with the "your lack of empathy" part. I could care less about your semantics.

http://www.pnas.org/content/105/27/9403.short

As for their sexual orientation, I'll leave that to you to find. Although, it is peer reviewed sooooo......that's gonna have to be a lot of research.

ZubeirAwal wrote:Nothing to do with empathy, there is a choice, a minority of men have a condition called klinefelter's syndrome which is a genetic abnormality of a male born with XXY (AN EXTRA X) INSTEAD OF XY <-- these people have high estrogen levels, and very low testosterone levels, and thus appear feminine, but this does not necessarily mean they desire to be with a man, a example here, a well known Somali artist who according to most is a feminine man getting married to a woman, they probably have kids by now.



This gender abnormality does not create desire for the same sex, that desire is rooted in the mind and can be treated, but as you know that is not what the elite want.

Zu

Keep on convincing yourself if makes u sleep at night. This 'feminine' man probably sleeps with Gu.s on the side. I know at least 16 feminine men who are married-- and have kids--their kids look feminine and who also sleep with macho men on the side.

SiennaEarth wrote:Wallahi this is the state of the world we live in today. Today they legalise gay marriages tomorrow they will legalise incest and pedophilia. Even here in the UK some mps were trying to change the legal consent age to 10.

Oh the Irony


And why don't you move to Saudi Arabia?

ZubeirAwal wrote:P.S, heterosexuality is the normative found in nature and in human nature, therefore your hypothesis falls on it's knees because the world can't exist if it were dominantly homosexual, the human race would be extinct, there very fact we are here is because all of us come from 'heterosexual' families, which is and will always be the norm.

I think the genetic component of homosexuality is more due to byproducts of the interactions of genes than it is due to some obscure selective benefit. It's a bit like the clitoris in females, it doesn't exist because it was selected for, it exists because the underlying genetics that produce the male's sexual organs are sort of re-wired when the vagina is produced instead, and so what would become the glans in the male(where it's selective origin is to produce ejaculation of semen), now just happens to be this knob of tissue in females, which, while it can produce an orgasm for them too, it doesn't actually exist for that purpose. Women having orgasms don't produce babies, men's do. I'm sure one could put numbers on these things to make it a bit more rigorous, but at least these are my thoughts on the subject.

getting back on the subject of feeling sexual attraction to genders, I think homsexual attractions are just byproducts, and that there's at least a variation in the degree to which such attractions are felt. If men are "normally" hardwired to find women attractive, for mostly genetic reasons, I don't see why it couldn't be the case that these genes can get screwed up during conception or during development(and environment can affect development, and by this I don't mean something insidious like indoctrination, it could be many different physical and chemical stimuli) in such a way that you end up with some degree of homosexual attraction instead. Obviously, you don't need to posit selective predisposition for this. Selection can act on it, but that doesn't mean it's origin and occasional cropping up in various species lies in a selective advantagee and I don't see why there is this obsession to try and find one. It's pretty obvious that even if we can concieve of one, it would be extremely circumstantial and rare. Whatever the case, homosexuality exists as just another trait in almost all sexually reproducing populations, in which it comes in degrees. Variations in traits and all that

If you mean development as in prenatal development, then you are in agreement with scientific consensus. The concept that it is learned in any way is the bigot platform Zubeir subscribes to, and until it is demonstrated to be true, stay away from such thinking.

Malachite wrote:

ZubeirAwal wrote:P.S, heterosexuality is the normative found in nature and in human nature, therefore your hypothesis falls on it's knees because the world can't exist if it were dominantly homosexual, the human race would be extinct, there very fact we are here is because all of us come from 'heterosexual' families, which is and will always be the norm.

I think the genetic component of homosexuality is more due to byproducts of the interactions of genes than it is due to some obscure selective benefit. It's a bit like the clitoris in females, it doesn't exist because it was selected for, it exists because the underlying genetics that produce the male's sexual organs are sort of re-wired when the vagina is produced instead, and so what would become the glans in the male(where it's selective origin is to produce ejaculation of semen), now just happens to be this knob of tissue in females, which, while it can produce an orgasm for them too, it doesn't actually exist for that purpose. Women having orgasms don't produce babies, men's do. I'm sure one could put numbers on these things to make it a bit more rigorous, but at least these are my thoughts on the subject.

getting back on the subject of feeling sexual attraction to genders, I think homsexual attractions are just byproducts, and that there's at least a variation in the degree to which such attractions are felt. If men are "normally" hardwired to find women attractive, for mostly genetic reasons, I don't see why it couldn't be the case that these genes can get screwed up during conception or during development(and environment can affect development, and by this I don't mean something insidious like indoctrination, it could be many different physical and chemical stimuli) in such a way that you end up with some degree of homosexual attraction instead. Obviously, you don't need to posit selective predisposition for this. Selection can act on it, but that doesn't mean it's origin and occasional cropping up in various species lies in a selective advantagee and I don't see why there is this obsession to try and find one. It's pretty obvious that even if we can concieve of one, it would be extremely circumstantial and rare. Whatever the case, homosexuality exists as just another trait in almost all sexually reproducing populations, in which it comes in degrees. Variations in traits and all that

HUH?? I read this like 17 times and still don't understand WTF Mala is talking about! This is hilarious!

Men shouldn't marry men, women shouldn't marry women.

My opinion is that, respect it or reject it I don't really care tbh.

Glad that this infectious social disease will never be harbored in my motherland.

Well, I'm glad you've abandoned all "scientific" reasoning for your hatred.

Nothing to do with empathy, there is a choice, a minority of men have a condition called klinefelter's syndrome which is a genetic abnormality of a male born with XXY (AN EXTRA X) INSTEAD OF XY <-- these people have high estrogen levels, and very low testosterone levels, and thus appear feminine, but this does not necessarily mean they desire to be with a man, a example here, a well known Somali artist who according to most is a feminine man getting married to a woman, they probably have kids by now.

This gender abnormality does not create desire for the same sex, that desire is rooted in the mind and can be treated, but as you know that is not what the elite want.

Huh?