Somali Medieval rulers and Elites of India

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Ambar was an Ethiopian who became the King of India. He was not sold by Adalite as claimed by some. He was sold by his poor parents. He was a Muslim himself from Harar.

Waalicas I'm all for fairness and honesty, but why do you have this habit of over-exaggerating history about Ethiopians.

I agree he was sold by his parents. I replied too soon, I meant he was moved through the port of Zeila to Yemen where he was sold again.

And again in Iraq, Baghdad.

Which brings us eventually to India, where he rose among the ranks from a slave to the right hand man of Murtaza Shah II , the Sultan of the Ahmednagar Sultanate.





Surely if he was once King of India, he would have been more known globally. Declaring an ex-slave as Sultan would be a great insult to these Indians.

In the end Malik Ambar remains just an ant in the rich history of India.

[WaaliCas]

You are mad because you got owned. Don't commit suicide. The little profanity won't save your ignorance son. You have to come in here with realistic talk not things that you are clueless about to entertain your ego and when being challenged or set straight cry and act like a little girl on her periods.

Next time you will think twice and no Beja never came into contact with Somalis. The Beja live in Eritrea and were Abyssinian/Ethiopian before Eritrea seceded.

You went from Bantu shareero to Beja all the way in the Eritrean lowlands. The Beja play the music of the Habesha that was introduced to them by the Kebessa highlanders. Amazing. From Egypt, Morocco to India.

What is next?

[Rambie]

^Hawdian,

You realize you're talking to a kid who didn't finish high school yet.

[TheMightyNomad]

the most failure and the lack reading comprehension you continue to display. The lyre or kintahara has been played everywhere in the horn since ancient time. The orgins of it is uncertain.

Go back to http://WWW.MEREJA.COM ask them to teach you have to read and comprehend things and you can freely spout ur abyssinian supremacist crap on theyre this is Somalinet.

FAIlure and ceeeb caleyk!!

[WaaliCas]

Rambie,

I know but I like our kids to learn things rather than trying to appease their ego over things which they have no affiliation or connection with. Like someone pointed out, the kid is like the African Americans that try to connect themselves to anything African and often adopt Arab names as "African heritage" without them knowing the origins.

This kid is the same.

So we have to correct them and show them knowledge is good when one pursues that free of egoistic behaviour or inferiority complex.

Today he went from Egypt, Morocco's Moor, Berber, India's former elites, Eritrea's Beja, Bantus' shareero to Habesha krar/masinqo all in one go.

It's kind of fun when they get irritated and go in circles only to contract themselves in every reply and end up what was being shown to them from the very start.

All of his argument came down to krar and ended up quoting a source that not only suggest the instrument entered the region from Ethiopia but has bold Amharic term for it.

Nomad,

Baskinkoob/maskinkoob is just localized dialect term of the Habesha maskinqo/masinko.

You were suppose to find Somali source and Somali lyre not Beja lyre. The Beja have been incorporated into Habesha society since the beginning of time. They have more things in common with Habesha than Somalis. The only thing they share Somalis with is their group classification (Cushitic).

The Ethiopian masinqo (violin), krar and the begana (large) are all related

This is the begana

[TheMightyNomad]

^Hawdian,

You realize you're talking to a kid who didn't finish high school yet.

What a failure you guys are. Just cuz i qarbash you with facts you try to deliberatly take cheap shots at my credibility to get away. my being in highschool makes no difference!
IT wont work nice try! i have proven myself on this forum as very knowledgable person and that is why you guys dislike me.
there is no age limit to being intellectually curious. Learn something

i am open to disagreement as long as it is based on facts reasonable logic backed by sources of course and for crying out loud show some reading comprehension.

[Cherine]

^R u DonCorleone?

[Rambie]

^Hawdian,

You realize you're talking to a kid who didn't finish high school yet.

What a failure you guys are. Just cuz i qarbash you with facts you try to deliberatly take cheap shots at my credibility to get away. my being in highschool makes no difference!
IT wont work nice try! i have proven myself on this forum as very knowledgable person and that is why you guys dislike me.
there is no age limit to being intellectually curious. Learn something

i am open to disagreement as long as it is based on facts reasonable logic backed by sources of course and for crying out loud show some reading comprehension.

Oh hooow, take a step back.

I was just saying that if you disclosed your age before, we would have gone easy on you (or give you more space)
I don't hold anything against you, keep reading.

[TheMightyNomad]

Nomad,

Baskinkoob/maskinkoob is just localized dialect term of the Habesha maskinqo/masinko.

You were suppose to find Somali source and Somali lyre not Beja lyre. The Beja have been incorporated into Habesha society since the beginning of time. They have more things in common with Habesha than Somalis. The only thing they share Somalis with is their group classification (Cushitic).

READ YOU ILLITERATE XABASHI BOOTY LICKER!!

basinkob is beja you idiot and K stands for kithara which has its origins in greek. The very same text i displayed where you try to use against me in failure states that it is similar but distince and that that lyre itself & origins is uncertain.

Many speculate that the lyre itself in east africa and the horn came from ancient egypt. that is what the source says unless you have another source that says other wise you better shut up.

It is not an habashi originator instrument nor was it exclusive to habeshis and was used by cushite pastoralites of the horn like beja afara and somalis.

Kithara
http://www.ancient.eu/Lyre/

unbelievable that i sit here and watch you try to make the lyre that was widely used since ancient time in the horn as habasha originator and exclusive habesha instrument and then claim that bantus brought it. WTF is wrong with you F en ignorant twat

unique somali shareero played since ancient times.

[TheMightyNomad]

^Hawdian,

You realize you're talking to a kid who didn't finish high school yet.

What a failure you guys are. Just cuz i qarbash you with facts you try to deliberatly take cheap shots at my credibility to get away. my being in highschool makes no difference!
IT wont work nice try! i have proven myself on this forum as very knowledgable person and that is why you guys dislike me.
there is no age limit to being intellectually curious. Learn something

i am open to disagreement as long as it is based on facts reasonable logic backed by sources of course and for crying out loud show some reading comprehension.

Oh hooow, take a step back.

I was just saying that if you disclosed your age before, we would have gone easy on you (or give you more space)
I don't hold anything against you, keep reading.

EMBARASSING THIS WHAT I SEE ADULTS ON SOMALINET REDUCED TO? USING AGE AS SOME SORT OF DENOMINATOR TO ATTACK SOMEONES CREDIBILITTY & PROVIINCE; IT JUST SHOWS HOW THREATENED YOU GUYS ARE BY ME AND HOW YOU CANNOT TAKE ME HEAD ON! ON EQUAL ACCORDS!

[WaaliCas]

^^You got owned and made to travel from Moor, Berber, India, Habesha nobility, Bantu shareero to Ethiopian Beja all in one go. I feel it for you.

In the end you failed to come up with a Somali lyre and instead tried to claim yet another ridiculous claim trying to present Beja's lyre, who themselves are Habesha incorporated society as "Somali lyre".

Talk about insecurities. The Beja and Habesha are like Isaac and Dir.

They fathered each others, shared history, arts, tradition and common states from Axumite to Abyssinia.

Every silly attempt by you has thus failed and it's no wonder you went back to your girly profanity. Abaayo change your tampon no need to be highly sensitive and emotional.

The Beja are deeply Habesha society and if they borrowed the instrument of the Habesha elites that is normal they were part of Ethiopia until 1991.

So where is your Somali lyre kiddo? What will you claim next? Perhaps Nigerian instrument.

In the case of Ethiopian society, the begana/begena lyre was played by the elites and not by slaves to entertain. Only the chosen ones were trained to play this instrument, which was believed the Angels themselves played one in Heaven.

[Rambie]

EMBARASSING THIS WHAT I SEE ADULTS ON SOMALINET REDUCED TO? USING AGE AS SOME SORT OF DENOMINATOR TO ATTACK SOMEONES CREDIBILITTY & PROVIINCE; IT JUST SHOWS HOW THREATENED YOU GUYS ARE BY ME AND HOW YOU CANNOT TAKE ME HEAD ON! ON EQUAL ACCORDS!

Warya, ee cadi iska dhig.

[TheMightyNomad]

^^You got owned and made to travel from Moor, Berber, India, Habesha nobility, Bantu shareero to Ethiopian Beja all in one go. I feel it for you.

You are making litterally no sense and only show for shareero which is a somali word is some random assimilated bantus video. The same bantus make somali music and post it online are you going to claim somali music as bantu origin or habesha origin? with zero facts? the bantus use somali drums as well are somali drums bantu now or habesha?

The guy in the video said They found somali clan names and that the rulers were somali and you forget that the very same guy in the video wrote the very same book about the african elites of india. Huge fail when you deny facts and try to pass somalis off as abyssinians.

BEja are cushite pastorialites related to afar and somalis they have nothing to do with habesha people aka abyssinians.

Somalis were called berbers by ibn battuta and many arab geographers and even ancient greeks.

portugese explorers called somali inhabitance in coastal cities as moors as well

BECOME LITTERATE MY FRIEND! WATCHING YOU FAIL AND FRUSTRATINGLY DENY SOMALI GREATNESS IS FUN!

In the end you failed to come up with a Somali lyre and instead tried to claim yet another ridiculous claim trying to present Beja's lyre, who themselves are Habesha incorporated society as "Somali lyre".

Somali lyre is shereero and not bantu! show me a source that says it was introduced by bantus i showed you a source from Historical dictionary of somalia that said it was a somali orgin

Talk about insecurities. The Beja and Habesha are like Isaac and Dir.

The habehash are like isaac and dir and beja are like habeshas? You must have some sort of brain malfunctioning. You claiming habeshis are are full display of ur inseccurity inferiority complex no proud somali would to that.

They fathered each others, shared history, arts, tradition and common states from Axumite to Abyssinia.

Every silly attempt by you has thus failed and it's no wonder you went back to your girly profanity. Abaayo change your tampon no need to be highly sensitive and emotional.

The Beja are deeply Habesha society and if they borrowed the instrument of the Habesha elites that is normal they were part of Ethiopia until 1991.

So where is your Somali lyre kiddo? What will you claim next? Perhaps Nigerian instrument.

Beja are not deeply in habesha society they live in eritrea and sudan and southern egypt and very much distinct from habeshas in culture they are nomadic pastoralites not filthy habesha raw meat eaters infested with aids. They are also muslim as well.

The beja was never apart of axum empire and neither were somalis infact beja was the sole reason why axumite empire declined when beja destroyed that filthy habash empire.

Somali lyre is shereero and the same thing is used by all pastorilites of the horn. The lyre didnt even orignate in the horn nor was it habesha exclusive yet you in familiar with no evidence try claim it as such. I pity you udignifying land roving xabashi booty clapping mongrel.

You first claim ibn mujahid and aw barkhadle the great somali founders & rulers of harrar as xabashis. When you saw that didnt work you claim them to be arab and now ur biting ur toungue claiming an instrument as xabashi and bantu orginator & exclusivity.

YOu have historians from the past and present against ur weak habashi supremacist fairy tales.

Walahi fail beyond belief. Shareero is somali word and term yet he wants to claim that somali bantus brought it when the thing is played all over the horn since ancient time,

i bet according to you bantus & habashis brought lyre to ancient egypt as well? are going to claim habeshis created the sun , earth & heavens?


GO BACK TO http://WWW.MEREJA.COM

[TheMightyNomad]

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[WaaliCas]

Angry nomad kid,

You keep typing long essays that only contradict your former. They always return to my point, which is Somali nomads have nothing to do with India, the krar or to Malik Ambran.

You keep giving me useless essays of nothing only to showcase your low self-esteem by trying to claim other cultures and their achievements whether good or bad.

The Beja never destroyed any Ethiopian empire. They raided the first Christian rulers but never destroyed them. It was the Agew who removed the Solomonic dynasty but they still maintained Axumite Empire even with the Beja. The Beja did disrupt trades but never removed any leaders nor become dominion in the region as leaders. The Beja are incorporated into Ethiopia society and have given birth to the Beja-Habesha Tigres of Eritrea. You should try to read instead of chasing ways to boost self-esteem.

The Beja may have been Cushitic but they are deeply assimilated into Habesha and Ethiopian society just like their Oromo and Agew relatives.

They were part of Axum and Abyssinia until Eritrea seceded from Ethiopia in 1991. Still Ethiopia has much Beja population in Tigray highlands. It's still funny how you tried to link Beja with Somalis in southern Somalia. The two never saw each others even in modern times.



That is not the point though. You failed to come up with Somali lyre. You went from claiming Bantu instrument that was introduced to southern Somalia by Bantu slaves in the late 17th century to trying to steal Beja's masinko, which is Habesha krar/Begena.

The Ethiopian lyre came with Christianity from Jerusalem. The bible and the krar/begena came together and the two are inseparable. For 2,000 years they played the instrument.

Since you like screen shots...

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Next claim please.