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[TheMightyNomad]

It's actually not a joke. People actually do have genuine hatred for other tribes to the point where they laugh at their suffering and famines and disassociating themselves from those "monkeys" in front of other non Somalis. Tell me, was it kaftan to laugh and ridicule the people who were dying in the famine in the south all because of their clan? Is it kaftan to laugh and ridicule the atrocities committed by the Ethiopians against the Ogaden people?

If you claim it is culture, then such backward behavior that is only suitable for life in the jungle should be collectively shunned if you ever hope to build any kind of state. People would argue FGM is also part and parcel of Somali culture. Will you defend that too as a valid practice?

Who are these people you speak of? where is this evidence of people making fun of sufferings outside of the Trolly internett filled with teenagers?

FGM is parcel of somali culture Wooow. Defend it as a valid practice? defined in what way and from what perspective please?

No, thats not true you my friend dont know history people with same religion ethnic groups and language has killed eachother for centuries , even europe, asia and including america its nothing new. Nor is it something abnormal i could list them all.

The only difference is those later groups end up working things out, not dehumanized themselves like you are doing right now or demonized themselves either. Or dvelve in a spewel self loathing in which they try to legitimize.

My point exactly. They didn't fight each other for 24+ years and enlist the aid of hostile foreigners, such as the Ethiopians, to fight against an opposing clan. Zoomalis are the only people who will gladly be enslaved by a foreign enemy just so they can stick it to rival clans. With most other peoples, however, you will see them uniting in the face of a foreign threat even if they have had bad blood between them for thousands of ears.

its not somalis its corrupt selfish leaders who enlist help from foreigners for their own interest not even clan interests by the way.

Somalis didnt fight for 24 years, thats a staunch over genralization of something localized.

The Success of Clan Governance in Somalia: Beyond Failed
State Discourse
http://somalithinktank.org/wp-content/u ... test-1.pdf

This paper also examines the social processes and mechanisms that are based on
non-conventional authorities in Somalia. I will demonstrate the success of traditional clan
based authorities in Somalia, which have restored peace, law, and order in many parts of
Somalia. In the analysis of this success, the paper also examines the critical need for
balance between traditional clan-based institutions and modern-state institutions in the
process of reconciliation and state building in Somalia. Furthermore, I will shed light on
the critical need for revising the current strategies taken by the international community
towards Somalia to rebuild modern-state institutions.

How else would you explain that Puntland and Somaliland un invaded un involved by foreigners had Peaceful governance and stability for over over 20 years?

And The fact according to research why south failed was mainly because of them trying to enforce foreign modern institutions and not clan based traditional instution, which puntland and somaliland did. Which played a key role in the reconciliation process.

process of reconciliation and state building. Finally, the success of traditional clan based
governance in parts of Somalia illustrates the need to change the current strategy by the
international community towards Somalia. That way United Nations agencies and other
stake holders in Somalia could support the economic and social development in the regions
where traditional clan based governments are in control. Such support by the international
community may lead to rebuild modern state in Somalia in short period of time.

So what you are saying is bubcis and really? Zoomalis? You really are proud of being a self hater.

but when it comes to somalis we are savages and barbaric.

I'm merely echoing how the world sees you people. I have no opinion of Somalis myself and in the long run what happens to Somalia doesn't affect me. Where I'm at is my permanent home. Funny logic you have there, though. Since I am not in favor of 24+ years of civil war and clan fiefdoms/balkanization and the inevitable enslavement/recolonization of Somalis/Somalia by foreign powers, that must mean I am a self hater? But you, for apparently supporting this status quo, are in touch with your cultural roots? You are precisely the reason why Somalia is doomed for the foreseeable future.

This is sad you are soo sad that you qoute me out of context now? let me help you out a little bit.

ut what is amazing is how japanese samurais/ninjas making a culture out of murdering eachother is romantized and even cast of as heroes.
how europeans are viewed as freedom fighers for justice and liberation for slaughering eachother.

Care to answer the Double standards?

I'm merely echoing how the world sees you people.

Thats the point saaxiib, You define yourselves based on the traits and habits of foreigners and accepting their reality and view of you.

Imagine if every culture of the world did the same thing you are doing now , they would be just as resentful towards their own people and self loathing as you.

Cuz you wont look at the factors complexities and even compare experiences when it comes to issues pertaining your own. You just accepted blatant Fairy dust Reality.

yeah i can blame the youth and the factors involved to shape this , If you cant see the difference in that logic is because you have accepted a western reality and define yourselves and your people based on their traits and habits.

That is the definition self loathing my firend

Blame whoever you want. It's funny how you claim I'm operating in a western reality all because I like to look at the bigger picture and analyze the overall forces at play. The fact of the matter is, self hatred does not spontaneously appear from the vacuum of space. If there is indeed a phenomenon of self hatred among the diaspora youth, which there is no hard evidence that would support that other than anecdotes, then it was clearly passed onto them by their parents the so-called proud generation that was responsible for the destruction of the government and continues to be responsible for its failed state. That is actually the most logical explanation as to where this alleged self hatred comes from, assuming this phenomenon is indeed as widespread as you claim it.

you havent analyze or looked at the bigger , you have just simply equated yourself and our circumstances to foreing people, who are quite different and deal with their own problems and their circumstances in their own means and see themselves from their own eyes as opposed to yourself.

Hence why you have no understannding of whats going on and actively just dehumanize and demonize yourself.

i would imagine tomorrow if the world called you a donkey that is what you would call yourself without a question.

They see themselves as somali, the thing with you are trying to create a cognitive dissonance. Because to be a clannism is overlapped with somalinism and is indeed imparicly part of being a somali.

This is just flat out wrong. Somali youth who are taught tribalism and to define themselves by their tribes emphatically do not see themselves as Somali. They are disgusted by such notions as "Somalinimo" and to be referred to as "Somali". They believe in the secession of their tribal enclave and want to completely disassociate themselves from the Somali label. Unless you agree with them, that they are indeed not Somali and have nothing with the Somali way of life, then you would have no choice but to call them self haters. That is, of course, if you are actually consistent in your principles.

At least those self haters assimilating in the west are not the ones standing in the way of a unified and centralized Somali government. It is these youth who will take up arms and fight another several decades against you for their right to tribal secession. Perhaps you need to get your priorities in order, sxb.

Clan is part of being Somali , as to be a somali you have to have a somali clan. Somalis have always been clan society and even when this ethnic or national identity was shaped/formed they were operating and conducting under clan.

They are disgusted with how idiots like you define Somalinimo, since by you guys logic somalinimo means anti clan. When it really doesnt mean that and never has meant that. It is only when you try to impose western concepts of nationalism that it becomes like that.

You dont unify people on false premise and merits, that is psuedo nationalism. By denying or ignoring the differences that shapes people.

Somalia is not europe that is why its shouldnt sement a Western Legal system or a western system of governance.

Somalis have always been decentralized and as i see it that is what Should be the System of governance a Decentralized unitary state.
Its should a system that fits and caters to us.

its ironic you blame clan or tribe but the evidence shows that the south failed to assemble a stable governance after the war specifically because foreing imposings.

While somaliland and Puntland has had 20+ years of peaceful stable governance.

Clan was not the reason for war, it was only used as political tool. The war erupted mainly due to injustice and struggle for resources , basically economic factors.

By blaming clan, you might as well blame relogions,nationalism,ethnic or language cuz these same things have been used as political tool for civil war across countries throughout, but naw most poeple have a more complex outlook on things and see the underlying factors behind it unlike you.

So they wouldnt be Anti-Religon or Anti-Ethnic or Anti-Language or Anti-Nationalism. just like you shouldne blame Clan for the problems that somalis face it will only prove your simplistic outlook on things.

There was no "case" to begin with.

The case has been the same all along you have no knowledge or understanding of what goes on. The fact that you are proving what ive been saying you have no evidence of any correlation between clannism resulting in self hate and the fact you are viewing yourself foreign eyes that are ignorant superficial and very simplistic out look on the issues.

Which is ideal, at least in the minds of most rational people.

No only in the minds of self hating ignorant people.

Even your Western peoples you idolize dont agree with you!

I will say that I have no problem with clans and knowing who you are. It's this backwards system "clan politics" and "clan competition" that shouldn't be taught to children. Well, that is, if you ever want the country to ever be stable.

Yeah you are right clan poltics is an issue. but only when you combine clan and poltics. Clan in it of itself is not wrong or bad. as ive pointed out this idea of clan poltics is a foreign thing. Clan should be separated from poltics and given its own space in which they can discuss such matters.

There is nothing wrong with clan competitions. You have ethnic, cultural competitions where i live and its seems that competition does indeed bring the best out of people.

Country is under foreing system of governance meaning mogadishu or south. If you want a stable south you enforce systems tailored by us and made for us and fit for us. Which the people cant sement a key genuine somali reconciliation process.

Just as you have no evidence for this phenomenon of self-hatred to begin with, right? Pointing to "Dhaqan celis" programs is not valid evidence, but could be symptomatic of paranoia of the elder Somali generation. I can easily turn your entire argument on its head by demanding the same level of hard evidence from you just as you're demanding of me essentially a nature publication. I agreed that, at least anecdotally, there is a phenomenon of self hatred among diaspora youth from what I've observed. However, that is not evidence for anything and until there are studies that definitively show this and are published in the peer reviewed literature, there really is no evidence to support this claim.

That is not evidence , Evidence is drawing correlations between the two based on data.

No its because it has, like i said above even proven by western researchers that Somalis succeed because of their culture and cultural enforcement is the pill. So its not that bad to send your kids to dhaqan celis especially if they have good programs .

i just displayed the evidence and even posted a thread about how cultural enforcement on somali youth is good for them and they become better achievers.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=369386

In truth, all I'm doing are making reasonable claims that are consistent with everyone's experiences and don't require such a high standard of evidence since no one's worldview is being radically altered here. You can disagree with me all you like, but I feel most rationally minded people would be inclined to agree with me.

there is no truth all you are saying is based on nothing but self loathing. No evidence no research no knowledge just blatant self hating spewel which you are somehow proud of and you trying to define yourselves based on foreing eyes regardless of how invalid or illogical it may be.

Which is true, as you have proven here. a weak ad hominem attack would be to make a claim and not support with arguments, demonstrations and facts. Using you yourself as an example would be perfect in demonstrating the kind of Self loathing , dehumanization and demonization of somalis are dvelving into and try to legitimize it based on opinions,reality and world view of foreigners.

How very expected. Unfortunately, you seem to be incapable of having a level-headed debate without getting emotional and trying to defame your opponent without actually deconstructing their argument in a logical manner. I don't blame you as it's the easier way out. However, I'm not interested in carrying this discussion further if all you are going to do is resort to is ad-hominem. Only weak minds are captivated by such petty behavior.

ive been very calm & collective throughout the discussion, its ironic how you give me personalized arguments and opinions yet you will be bothered by me using you as an example of how the somali western youth Self loathing emerges and how they indulge in it.

its hypocritical coming from you when you say Zoomalis, Backwards and savages or barbaric just as much as ad-hominem attack on your own people. That is not constructing argume or logical manner.

Less personalized sob stories and more facts and evidence please.

[TheMightyNomad]

It's actually not a joke. People actually do have genuine hatred for other tribes to the point where they laugh at their suffering and famines and disassociating themselves from those "monkeys" in front of other non Somalis. Tell me, was it kaftan to laugh and ridicule the people who were dying in the famine in the south all because of their clan? Is it kaftan to laugh and ridicule the atrocities committed by the Ethiopians against the Ogaden people?

If you claim it is culture, then such backward behavior that is only suitable for life in the jungle should be collectively shunned if you ever hope to build any kind of state. People would argue FGM is also part and parcel of Somali culture. Will you defend that too as a valid practice?

Who are these people you speak of? where is this evidence of people making fun of sufferings outside of the Trolly internett filled with teenagers?

FGM is parcel of somali culture Wooow. Defend it as a valid practice? defined in what way and from what perspective please?

No, thats not true you my friend dont know history people with same religion ethnic groups and language has killed eachother for centuries , even europe, asia and including america its nothing new. Nor is it something abnormal i could list them all.

The only difference is those later groups end up working things out, not dehumanized themselves like you are doing right now or demonized themselves either. Or dvelve in a spewel self loathing in which they try to legitimize.

My point exactly. They didn't fight each other for 24+ years and enlist the aid of hostile foreigners, such as the Ethiopians, to fight against an opposing clan. Zoomalis are the only people who will gladly be enslaved by a foreign enemy just so they can stick it to rival clans. With most other peoples, however, you will see them uniting in the face of a foreign threat even if they have had bad blood between them for thousands of ears.

its not somalis its corrupt selfish leaders who enlist help from foreigners for their own interest not even clan interests by the way.

Somalis didnt fight for 24 years, thats a staunch over genralization of something localized.

The Success of Clan Governance in Somalia: Beyond Failed
State Discourse
http://somalithinktank.org/wp-content/u ... test-1.pdf

This paper also examines the social processes and mechanisms that are based on
non-conventional authorities in Somalia. I will demonstrate the success of traditional clan
based authorities in Somalia, which have restored peace, law, and order in many parts of
Somalia. In the analysis of this success, the paper also examines the critical need for
balance between traditional clan-based institutions and modern-state institutions in the
process of reconciliation and state building in Somalia. Furthermore, I will shed light on
the critical need for revising the current strategies taken by the international community
towards Somalia to rebuild modern-state institutions.

How else would you explain that Puntland and Somaliland un invaded un involved by foreigners had Peaceful governance and stability for over over 20 years?

And The fact according to research why south failed was mainly because of them trying to enforce foreign modern institutions and not clan based traditional instution, which puntland and somaliland did. Which played a key role in the reconciliation process.

process of reconciliation and state building. Finally, the success of traditional clan based
governance in parts of Somalia illustrates the need to change the current strategy by the
international community towards Somalia. That way United Nations agencies and other
stake holders in Somalia could support the economic and social development in the regions
where traditional clan based governments are in control. Such support by the international
community may lead to rebuild modern state in Somalia in short period of time.

So what you are saying is bubcis and really? Zoomalis? You really are proud of being a self hater.

but when it comes to somalis we are savages and barbaric.

I'm merely echoing how the world sees you people. I have no opinion of Somalis myself and in the long run what happens to Somalia doesn't affect me. Where I'm at is my permanent home. Funny logic you have there, though. Since I am not in favor of 24+ years of civil war and clan fiefdoms/balkanization and the inevitable enslavement/recolonization of Somalis/Somalia by foreign powers, that must mean I am a self hater? But you, for apparently supporting this status quo, are in touch with your cultural roots? You are precisely the reason why Somalia is doomed for the foreseeable future.

This is sad you are soo sad that you qoute me out of context now? let me help you out a little bit.

ut what is amazing is how japanese samurais/ninjas making a culture out of murdering eachother is romantized and even cast of as heroes.
how europeans are viewed as freedom fighers for justice and liberation for slaughering eachother.

Care to answer the Double standards?

I'm merely echoing how the world sees you people.

Thats the point saaxiib, You define yourselves based on the traits and habits of foreigners and accepting their reality and view of you.

Imagine if every culture of the world did the same thing you are doing now , they would be just as resentful towards their own people and self loathing as you.

Cuz you wont look at the factors complexities and even compare experiences when it comes to issues pertaining your own. You just accepted blatant Fairy dust Reality.

yeah i can blame the youth and the factors involved to shape this , If you cant see the difference in that logic is because you have accepted a western reality and define yourselves and your people based on their traits and habits.

That is the definition self loathing my firend

Blame whoever you want. It's funny how you claim I'm operating in a western reality all because I like to look at the bigger picture and analyze the overall forces at play. The fact of the matter is, self hatred does not spontaneously appear from the vacuum of space. If there is indeed a phenomenon of self hatred among the diaspora youth, which there is no hard evidence that would support that other than anecdotes, then it was clearly passed onto them by their parents the so-called proud generation that was responsible for the destruction of the government and continues to be responsible for its failed state. That is actually the most logical explanation as to where this alleged self hatred comes from, assuming this phenomenon is indeed as widespread as you claim it.

you havent analyze or looked at the bigger , you have just simply equated yourself and our circumstances to foreing people, who are quite different and deal with their own problems and their circumstances in their own means and see themselves from their own eyes as opposed to yourself.

Hence why you have no understannding of whats going on and actively just dehumanize and demonize yourself.

i would imagine tomorrow if the world called you a donkey that is what you would call yourself without a question.

They see themselves as somali, the thing with you are trying to create a cognitive dissonance. Because to be a clannism is overlapped with somalinism and is indeed imparicly part of being a somali.

This is just flat out wrong. Somali youth who are taught tribalism and to define themselves by their tribes emphatically do not see themselves as Somali. They are disgusted by such notions as "Somalinimo" and to be referred to as "Somali". They believe in the secession of their tribal enclave and want to completely disassociate themselves from the Somali label. Unless you agree with them, that they are indeed not Somali and have nothing with the Somali way of life, then you would have no choice but to call them self haters. That is, of course, if you are actually consistent in your principles.

At least those self haters assimilating in the west are not the ones standing in the way of a unified and centralized Somali government. It is these youth who will take up arms and fight another several decades against you for their right to tribal secession. Perhaps you need to get your priorities in order, sxb.

Clan is part of being Somali , as to be a somali you have to have a somali clan. Somalis have always been clan society and even when this ethnic or national identity was shaped/formed they were operating and conducting under clan.

They are disgusted with how idiots like you define Somalinimo, since by you guys logic somalinimo means anti clan. When it really doesnt mean that and never has meant that. It is only when you try to impose western concepts of nationalism that it becomes like that.

You dont unify people on false premise and merits, that is psuedo nationalism. By denying or ignoring the differences that shapes people.

Somalia is not europe that is why its shouldnt sement a Western Legal system or a western system of governance.

Somalis have always been decentralized and as i see it that is what Should be the System of governance a Decentralized unitary state.
Its should a system that fits and caters to us.

its ironic you blame clan or tribe but the evidence shows that the south failed to assemble a stable governance after the war specifically because foreing imposings.

While somaliland and Puntland has had 20+ years of peaceful stable governance.

Clan was not the reason for war, it was only used as political tool. The war erupted mainly due to injustice and struggle for resources , basically economic factors.

By blaming clan, you might as well blame relogions,nationalism,ethnic or language cuz these same things have been used as political tool for civil war across countries throughout, but naw most poeple have a more complex outlook on things and see the underlying factors behind it unlike you.

So they wouldnt be Anti-Religon or Anti-Ethnic or Anti-Language or Anti-Nationalism. just like you shouldne blame Clan for the problems that somalis face it will only prove your simplistic outlook on things.

There was no "case" to begin with.

The case has been the same all along you have no knowledge or understanding of what goes on. The fact that you are proving what ive been saying you have no evidence of any correlation between clannism resulting in self hate and the fact you are viewing yourself foreign eyes that are ignorant superficial and very simplistic out look on the issues.

Which is ideal, at least in the minds of most rational people.

No only in the minds of self hating ignorant people.

Even your Western peoples you idolize dont agree with you!

I will say that I have no problem with clans and knowing who you are. It's this backwards system "clan politics" and "clan competition" that shouldn't be taught to children. Well, that is, if you ever want the country to ever be stable.

Yeah you are right clan poltics is an issue. but only when you combine clan and poltics. Clan in it of itself is not wrong or bad. as ive pointed out this idea of clan poltics is a foreign thing. Clan should be separated from poltics and given its own space in which they can discuss such matters.

There is nothing wrong with clan competitions. You have ethnic, cultural competitions where i live and its seems that competition does indeed bring the best out of people.

Country is under foreing system of governance meaning mogadishu or south. If you want a stable south you enforce systems tailored by us and made for us and fit for us. Which the people cant sement a key genuine somali reconciliation process.

Just as you have no evidence for this phenomenon of self-hatred to begin with, right? Pointing to "Dhaqan celis" programs is not valid evidence, but could be symptomatic of paranoia of the elder Somali generation. I can easily turn your entire argument on its head by demanding the same level of hard evidence from you just as you're demanding of me essentially a nature publication. I agreed that, at least anecdotally, there is a phenomenon of self hatred among diaspora youth from what I've observed. However, that is not evidence for anything and until there are studies that definitively show this and are published in the peer reviewed literature, there really is no evidence to support this claim.

That is not evidence , Evidence is drawing correlations between the two based on data.

No its because it has, like i said above even proven by western researchers that Somalis succeed because of their culture and cultural enforcement is the pill. So its not that bad to send your kids to dhaqan celis especially if they have good programs .

i just displayed the evidence and even posted a thread about how cultural enforcement on somali youth is good for them and they become better achievers.
viewtopic.php?f=18&t=369386

In truth, all I'm doing are making reasonable claims that are consistent with everyone's experiences and don't require such a high standard of evidence since no one's worldview is being radically altered here. You can disagree with me all you like, but I feel most rationally minded people would be inclined to agree with me.

there is no truth all you are saying is based on nothing but self loathing. No evidence no research no knowledge just blatant self hating spewel which you are somehow proud of and you trying to define yourselves based on foreing eyes regardless of how invalid or illogical it may be.

Which is true, as you have proven here. a weak ad hominem attack would be to make a claim and not support with arguments, demonstrations and facts. Using you yourself as an example would be perfect in demonstrating the kind of Self loathing , dehumanization and demonization of somalis are dvelving into and try to legitimize it based on opinions,reality and world view of foreigners.

How very expected. Unfortunately, you seem to be incapable of having a level-headed debate without getting emotional and trying to defame your opponent without actually deconstructing their argument in a logical manner. I don't blame you as it's the easier way out. However, I'm not interested in carrying this discussion further if all you are going to do is resort to is ad-hominem. Only weak minds are captivated by such petty behavior.

ive been very calm & collective throughout the discussion, its ironic how you give me personalized arguments and opinions yet you will be bothered by me using you as an example of how the somali western youth Self loathing emerges and how they indulge in it.

its hypocritical coming from you when you say Zoomalis, Backwards and savages or barbaric just as much as ad-hominem attack on your own people.

Less personalized sob stories and more facts and evidence please.

[Xisab]

TheMightyNomad, you know I got it give it to you, sxb. I have never seen so many strawman fallacies and ad-hominem all packaged so neatly into one rather incoherent post. Not only have you taken me completely out of context, but you cited a single and unrelated study about the Somali language rates among diaspora youth to the mental health issue that is self-hatred. You still have been unable to produce a single shred of evidence that, firstly, there is a self hatred phenomenon in the community, and, secondly, that I'm a "self hater". Also, assuming that I did indeed hate myself, that still does not detract at all from any of the points I raised. Lastly, to close, I never stated any of the points I raised in my post as facts. Rather, I emphatically admitted these are my opinions and observations of the local diasporan community and that I don't have census statistics or papers published in peer reviewed publications to support them. This is just another one of the countless strawmans you've constructed in your wall-of-text.

[TheMightyNomad]

TheMightyNomad, you know I got it give it to you, sxb. I have never seen so many strawman fallacies and ad-hominem all packaged so neatly into one rather incoherent post. Not only have you taken me completely out of context, but you cited a single and unrelated study about the Somali language rates among diaspora youth to the mental health issue that is self-hatred. You still have been unable to produce a single shred of evidence that, firstly, there is a self hatred phenomenon in the community, and, secondly, that I'm a "self hater". Also, assuming that I did indeed hate myself, that still does not detract at all from any of the points I raised. Lastly, to close, I never stated any of the points I raised in my post as facts. Rather, I emphatically admitted these are my opinions and observations of the local diasporan community and that I don't have census statistics or papers published in peer reviewed publications to support them. This is just another one of the countless strawmans you've constructed in your wall-of-text.

Ina Adeer. i got to give it you i have never seen soo much hypocritical outcry about ad-hominems, and soo many personalized opinions and arguments based being thrown around the place all packaged neatly and carefully in the world thinks of me this way and that thats why its correct. by your own logic thats how it is despite no correlations being shown no date research evidence just personalized stories and arguments and bunch ad- hominem attacks on the somali character.
Its amazing that i qouted you word for word not a single word taken out. you were the actual one that did it. So many fallacies that are just based up on Popular opinion beliefs pushed and promoted without a speck of evidence of it being asked or given.
The self hate Phenomena among somalis is simple , Its a lack of culture and the fact that you define yourselves based on how outsiders view you and think of you. hence defining yourself base on ajanabi traits and habits.
The self loathing you are trying to justify is no differnet then somali girls and why they are all over the internett trying to prove to ajanabis how beautiful they are. For girls in their minds thats the only redeeming quality they have , is this exoticized view of themselves from ajanabis eyes.
thats because the youth as well they have began to define themselves based on how foreigners view them.

That is the definition of self hate! go look it up.

There is no justification for that nor is it productive actually very self defeating.

i have asked you time and time again show me proof of there being any correlation between what you are saying and the self hating phemomena and how that is as a result justified. You have not giving a me single one and told me you have no data, yet you unrelentlessly continue on with personalized opinions as if they were actual facts and all that fallacious Ad-hominem attacks on somali character & humanity.

Sementing a totally false Reality!!

Amazing!!