Are Habar Jeclo People Somalis ?

[mahoka]

Look you bunch of skinny negriods, Yo are not arab, your father wasn't arab and sure as hell his father wasn't. I know it is painful to accept the reality which is we are niggers, no different than afro Americans and west Africans. Sad but true

[SteadyState]

Look you bunch of skinny negriods, Yo are not arab, your father wasn't arab and sure as hell his father wasn't. I know it is painful to accept the reality which is we are niggers, no different than afro Americans and west Africans. Sad but true

That's beside the point. No doubt the indigenous tribes (D&M, Hawiye, Dir, and rahanweyn) are black Africans and true ethnic cushites. But, since Arabness is inherited through the father, and since we have no reason not to believe the Darod and Isaaq abtirsi, it stands to reason that Darods and Isaaqs today are ethnically Arab but are Somali by nationality only. This is also the only plausible explanation as to why the country has remained ungovernable and unstable for more than two decades. There is an irreconcilable and inherent ethnic differences between the major tribes.

By the way, I'm not even of those Arab tribes. I just do not subscribe to the myth being pushed by the deluded nationalists here that all the major Somali tribes are the same people and that we are all ethnically homogeneous. Do you know how incredibly embarrassing it would look to the world if our country was destroyed over myths?

[SteadyState]

Double post

[RoobleAlWaliid]

SteadyState we all know you are a Darood troll.

[mahoka]

Look you bunch of skinny negriods, Yo are not arab, your father wasn't arab and sure as hell his father wasn't. I know it is painful to accept the reality which is we are niggers, no different than afro Americans and west Africans. Sad but true

That's beside the point. No doubt the indigenous tribes (D&M, Hawiye, Dir, and rahanweyn) are black Africans and true ethnic cushites. But, since Arabness is inherited through the father, and since we have no reason not to believe the Darod and Isaaq abtirsi, it stands to reason that Darods and Isaaqs today are ethnically Arab but are Somali by nationality only. This is also the only plausible explanation as to why the country has remained ungovernable and unstable for more than two decades. There is an irreconcilable and inherent ethnic differences between the major tribes.

By the way, I'm not even of those Arab tribes. I just do not subscribe to the myth being pushed by the deluded nationalists here that all the major Somali tribes are the same people and that we are all ethnically homogeneous. Do you know how incredibly embarrassing it would look to the world if our country was destroyed over myths?

Hawiye is not indigenous, they are from West Africa.

[mahoka]

SteadyState

I know you are Darod but this is scrapping the barrel. Stop claiming arab

[SteadyState]

Hawiye is not indigenous, they are from West Africa.

Nice fantasy, but reality and science shows that just about all hawiye tested are e1b1b, meaning they are indigenous cushites. Can't say the same about you isaaqs...

SteadyState we all know you are a Darood troll.

SteadyState

I know you are Darod but this is scrapping the barrel. Stop claiming arab

Looks like we have some kind of mass psychosis going on here. What possible indication did you get that I was ever a Darod? I am and always have been hawiye.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Looks like we have some kind of mass psychosis going on here. What possible indication did you get that I was ever a Darod? I am and always have been Hawiye.

You are making yourself look like a complete fool. The war was clan-based not ethnically based. At least you can try harder to justify your fetish for Arabs.

Everyone can see right through you....

[Itrah]

I don't think he is Somali at all. Maybe he is one of those delusional African Americans who are obsessed with Somalis.

[gegiroor]

To answer the OP, yes, Habar Jeclo are Somalis, and just like other Somalis, no one can guarantee who was who. Everybody believes where his (or her) great grand father came from, so how this is an issue is just beyond me.

To DNA believing fellas, I have never studied this but my understanding is this hablo group that people run with are not scientifically conclusive. Am I wrong on this?

Question to you now, why so much time and discussion is devoted to DNA and not language? To me the indicators of Somali origin should be our language. I am more interested into traditional dances that we play and what they mean. I need help in understanding some of the words, for example, in Jaandheer words such as "Hoolabeen," or "hanahaybsaan," etc. I can't remember all of them. I don't understand what they mean but people repeat it. I heard people say it used to be one of the pre-Islamic religious songs; however, I have not read any conclusive evidence on this.

Growing up in my early years in nomadic life reminds me how there used to be cross (+) signs on camels on what is known as "sumad in Somali" in some subclans' camels. If Daarood and Isaaq were Arabs and Binu Hashim and they were religious scholars, how can their offsprings have Christian signs on their livestock?

Additionally, by looking at our traditions, I remember nomadic Somali women shaving their young daughters' hair and leaving a little bit of hair on the top of the head. This is what is known as "food", and this is where the word "foodley" came from. This practice is common throughout Sub-Saharan Africa. Now, let me understand how did we adopt this tradition if we have a Banu Hashem origin?

Here is what I settled down to: (1) It is possible that Sheikh Abdirahman Sheekh Ismaaciil and Sheikh Isixaq Binu Ahmed were Arabs; (2) It is possible that they married local indigenous Somali women; (3) it is also possible that some of the clans claiming to be their descendants were adopted to the confederation of clans who are descendants of these two sheikhs (May Allah be pleased with them); (4) By looking at their settlements in Maydh and Gebi (both places in Sanaag), it is obvious that they were leaders of religious dariqa, and it is therefore possible that they adopted people from the neighboring clans who were not Muslims. And then from that point they taught Islam to these kids who kept some of the pre-Islamic traditions while tracing their lineage to these 2 sheikhs.

Bottom line is these two sheikhs existed. They brought Islam and did their best to spread it. But it is not guaranteed that not all clans claiming to be their descendants are biologically their offsprings.

[gegiroor]

Hawiye is not indigenous, they are from West Africa.

Nice fantasy, but reality and science shows that just about all hawiye tested are e1b1b, meaning they are indigenous cushites. Can't say the same about you isaaqs...

SteadyState we all know you are a Darood troll.

SteadyState

I know you are Darod but this is scrapping the barrel. Stop claiming arab

Looks like we have some kind of mass psychosis going on here. What possible indication did you get that I was ever a Darod? I am and always have been hawiye.

If you're not Daarood, not sure why these kids are forcing you to be Daarood I say ignore them

As for DNA, what if another evidence comes in that disputes the ones that you and others have shown? How can you be so sure that these DNAs are conclusive?

[SteadyState]

Gegrigoor, I thank you for such a great and thought provoking post. What these people use as their evidence that, we are all the same people and that the clan system is based on fiction, are the results posted on a website called 23&me. They cannot seem to understand that it's possible and even likely people could lie about their clans or could historically be shegats that were merged into the confederation. When I ask them for actual scientific studies that actually employs the needed methodology (breakdown by clans, region, etc), they resort to either outright attacking me or claiming I'm a Darod with an inferiority complex.

As for DNA, what if another evidence comes in that disputes the ones that you and others have shown? How can you be so sure that these DNAs are conclusive?

Good question. In science, you can only be so certain, but some sciences are by nature much more precise than others. If you test someone a 100 times and each time got e3b, there is almost absolute certainty that the 101st test would also yield a result of e3b. From the results I've seen so far, all Hawiye are e1b1b, most Darods and Isaaqs are J1 while a minority are e1b1b and T, respectively. This suggests there are a small number of shegats in the tribes, as you would expect among any tribe. A Hawiye that is found to be J1 is clearly a shegat.

[SahanGalbeed]

Qof haddad ku tidhahdo abtirsiintaadu iyo taariikhdaadu waa been , waxay ka mid tahay cayda ugu waaween. Addon aad ku shegto wax ma dhaamo hadalkaasi .
Marka ka fiirsada waxaad ku hadlaysaan , 3oneBb iyo 2 zero alpha J waxba inaga ma qusayso anaga , waxaynu nahay gaashaanbuurta ugu adag somalida , Allahu Akbar !

[Rambie]

No, HJ are aliens oo spaceka ka imadi

[Hodan94]

2bh i consider ppl living in my tuulo as my relatives distant relatives. I doubt im closely related to someone living even in zeila or as far down as galcayo.

We are not inbreds so i presume individually we all have different origins. Somali alliance is based on islam. To help each other fight of orthodox christians.