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My view on Eritrea is good despite economic hardship faced by the people of that country. Hopefully, Chinese will help them to beat the sanctions.

@LiquidHYDROGEN,

Have you read this book?



It is a relatively popular book and most economists agree with their premise that a huge portion of economic prosperity derives from the political systems of a country. Some countries like Saudi Arabia can cheat their way out of this theory due to abnormal levels of commodity wealth, but most other developing countries are predicted to remain poor so long as their political systems are illiberal.

I don't agree with that. The fastest growing economies of the 20th Century have all been Authoritarian, anti-democratic East Asian Countries.

You should read these;




I used to think the same as you until my eyes were opened by economists like Han Joon Chang and Joseph Stiglitz.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:I don't agree with that. The fastest growing economies of the 20th Century have all been Authoritarian, anti-democratic East Asian Countries.

Fastest growing means nothing. They are still to come out of the plateau of being emerging countries to properly developed. I am curious to what will happen to China over my lifetime, whether a political revolution breaks out or that they remain forever in mediocrity (cheap factory for the rest of the world).

In Asia only South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are truly developed and they are all liberal democracies.
Singapore and Hong Kong are somewhat odd cases, nevertheless their property laws and regulatory systems are very much liberal.

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:You should read these;
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http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5 ... 3,200_.jpg

Hmm will check it out soon.

I hope they liberalize their politics and economy so their country n people can prosper

AwRastaale wrote:Our friend Revolutionary appears to be Eritrean while Anseba is clearly a Tigregu cleverly imposing as an Eritrean. Authentic Eritreans dislike the use of Anseba because that was a divide and conquer rule used by both Italy and the southern Mareb arch enemies (Tigrais).

The authentic name is Hamasien...anseba being Hamasien divided into two.




The Haud

I must say you are very knowledgeable about the history! Most of what you wrote is on point... except for the part above. The traditional Anseba region is a to the west of Asmara towards the Gash Barka plains. I'm not sure of the origins of the name but its is known locally for having very strict laws historically in the past put together by 7 clans therefore my username is 7 anseba. Today most of the region has the adminstrative name of Logo-Anseba and the current Anseba zone is located around the city of Keren. So you see it has nothing to do with Tigray...I'm not 100% sure but it is said the people are of Saho and Seraye (maybe we are part Tigray after all lol) origins.

Since we all have mixed past and ancestory I do not put things such as religion and ethnicity in black or white. My main emphasis is what can be done for the general interests of the people in the area. As you wrote the rulers jumped into bed with one foreigner after another to dominate one another which has only brought misery to our people. This was orchestrated by the powers of yesterday and today in order to cause CONFUSION from which they could easily divide and rule our regions. To cause even more CONFUSION they always DIVERT our attention from the main issues so that we only focus on trivial issues which at the end will lead nowhere.

Therefore I believe we have to know one anothers culture and history in a true sense and understand why each part made the choices they did because it seemed logical from their viewpoints BUT most importantly we must not be allowed to be CONFUSED and DIVERTED from solving our main issues which political and economic oppression. The first step is understanding that the only way we can solve these issues are by ourselves without any meddling from foreigners who always DIVERT and cause CONFUSION. In conclusion i would like to say AwRastaale keep up the good job!

Bro Anseba,

That was good read and I can see the sincerity and honesty in your writing. I like genuine tackle of issues and having discussions free of "we bigger than you or this and that".

That's why most of the times I'm more interested in the Highlander issues because we start from clean sheet. Good conversations always and education is what's all about.

What you have stated makes total sense and I learned a lot.

Anseba name was derived from the Anseba river same way Gash Barka (Gash-baraka) was named after the Barka (Baraka) river or naher.

Before Anseba became Anseba, the entire central, northern and southwestern region was called Hamasien. It consisted of present day Anseba, Debub, Maikal, Northern Red Sea, and Gash Baraka.

The Italians first divided the region into two main regions (North and South Anseba) to govern the existing 15 districts. They used the divide to their advantage for example, whenever peasants were loyal to them they gave them an entire district to govern.

That upset the original ruling Hamasien Nobility family and they started rebellion war against the Italians.

Almost in all cases the Italian collaborators were Tigrai immigrants who were regarded as low class outcast or untouchables----or as Somalis regards Yibir, Tumal, Midgaan/Madhiban. These Tigrais were called Makelai-aliet. I assume it has something to do with Meqelle.

That's why Eritreans do not trust Tigrais because Tigrais tried to fashioned themselves as Eritreans under Fascist rule instead of respecting the 3000 year old Eritrean tradition of self-rule and their establishment. Tigrais always used or collaborated with foreigners even to this day the TPLF is kept afloat by offering themselves to foreign powers.

That's why when I saw your name I thought you were making a reference to that history.

The Italians first gave a Tigrai to govern north Anseba and then later southern Anseba.

That was enough for the Eritreans and that's how they started their shifta war or rebellion. They went back and forth and went through hard indifferences but kept their goal alive. That dream eventually reached the likes of Hamid Idris Awate before he too past the torch to the Lion of Nakfa, Isaias Aferweki.


The son of Gash-Barka, Hamid Idris Awate, on his horse.

Eritreans made two mistakes;

A) Putting TPLF in power in Ethiopia (in fact most people in the region do not even know that EPLF installed TPLF in Addis Ababa)
B) Isaias' Soviet-style of rule in a modern free world, where he uses fear to control.

They must not make a third one.

Eritreans must not make same mistake as Somali Republic and remove Isais by force. He will go naturally. It's coming and perhaps the change of leadership will bring a new era once again but rebellion is a no. If Somalis had waited only 9 months, Barre would have died of natural causes, which did but on foreign soil (Nigeria).

I like to learn outside of my own people because Somali song goes; nin dar ku jira darur ma arke ilen xalay robku wu da'ay. Basically if one is always confined to his room/roof, he doesn't know it rained last night.

Some times you need to step out off your own issues and little world to gain broader vision.

I always enjoy this Eritrean song...



No matter what the world throws at Eritrea, it may fall but it always bounces back. I am firm believer of that.

Itrah wrote:

LiquidHYDROGEN wrote:Who gives a f***? I hope the two sh*tholes burn down and all the half-Yemeni midgets swim back to Yemen.

You gotta keep track of what your neighbors are up to. (Eritrea, Ethiopia, Djibouti, Sudan, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania).
Man the situation in East Africa is really depressing.

I only see some hope for Kenya becoming semi-developed within a reasonable time frame to be honest. And the only reason for this is because they are politically the most Westernized.

So what if they are westernized? Kenya is not a real country and can fall apart if it loses the support and attention of the US and UK.
They don't even own their own country, everything is controlled by WaHindi and Muzungu. I rather own my country and know that my people are not serfs on their own land.

I am happy that Kenya is developing economically because that means better trade prospects for the far south of Somalia. But as a country, Somalia has a better shot becoming an actual nation-state, something that neither Ethiopia nor Kenya have any chance of ever achieving.

AwRastaale wrote:Hararboy,

Relax. Read the comment again.

When Eritreans are fleeing and taking boats those are Eritreans. But the Tigrais in the West come as Eritreans. None of them take boats. All their applications are finalised within Ethiopia. It is one ticket from Addis to Melbourne Some of them go via Sudan.

In 2014 Eritrea changed its ID cards and added new biometric technology.

I'm surprised you say you are from Harar and unaware of the region.

Ps, you're lying you can't tell the accent of southern Kebessa from northern Tigrais for instance Serae and Adwa/Adigratis.

Example

I could tell because most Eritreans speak Arabic as a Linga Franca unlike Tigrayans and I've learnt Arabic aswell so I recognise Arabic accents with Eritreans. It's kinda like how New York Jews have a Yiddish accent when they speak English. And you don't know what are you talking about, I live in Australia and most economic refugees don't make to Australia because of the offshore detention centres and the intense screening process. It's a big issue here since the conservative government adopted a tougher approach on immigrants. Stop trying to make excuses for your dictator tesfaye. I'm tired of you pro EPLF Sheeps in the diaspora.

Harari brother,

I wish you knew bit more about Eritreans and Tigregus before making those kind of claims.

Remember what I said. In southern Eritrea and north Tigrai, the accent cannot be separated and only a local can differentiate but they too even struggle with it.

You said you can tell the difference because Eritreans have Arabic accent. That statement is very funny Wallah.

Do you even know which Eritreans speak Arabic and who speaks Tigringya? If the Tigrinya speakers spoke Arabic fluently, why do you have both Tigrinya and Arabic side-by-side as de facto official languages?

I will make it simple for you.

The vast majority of Tigrinya speakers (the Kebessa aka Bahir-Tigringya) do not speak Arabic and not at least to the point where Arabic altered their native tongue or accent.

The southern and central Eritrean regions including Hamasien, Akele, and Serae speak Tigrinya. Serae and north Tigrais speak the same Tigrinya...sort of like SL and Djibouti.

The lowland Eritreans especially the Tigres of Gash-Bakra and Anseba adjust to Kassala in Sudan speak Arabic while the Rashaida's native tongue is Arabic.

The Tigres spoke Tigre from third generation, Arabic is their second tongue and Tigringya in the back burner.

And yes many Tigrais do come to Australia with Eritrean ID cards or status straight from North Ethiopia to Melbourne.

Only boat people are taken to offshore processing but Australia still has open policy for legit refugees through the rightful channels. The offshore processing is designed to curb people smugglers or to discourage people going in that route.

The idea is for the refugee to remain in the appropriate camp or facility and patiently await for their applications and meet all government criteria including history (immigration likes to trace people's backgrounds that's why Tigrais buy Eritrean ID cards), security, health, etc.

If you're an alien (destroyed all travel docs or travel footprint) or boat person then you will be taken to an island or detention centre because you could be some secret agent or some terrorist for all we know. That's their approach.


Cheers

7anseba wrote: Are you Eritrean Revolutionary? You pretty much summed it up except for the highlighted parts. ELM was crushed by ELF back in the 60s or early 70s since ELF saw itself as the sole front within Eritrea. Jebha was defeated by EPLF with the help of TPLF, which also drove out TLF (Tigrean Liberation Front - supported by ELF), but the main reason for ELFs fall was mass defections and a large portion of its fighters emigrating to the diaspora.

I believe that EPLF used the Bejas to fight Beshir because the Beshir government supported TPLF during the border war 98-00 with Eritrea. This was done by allowing Ethiopian troops to attack the town of Tessenei (right at the border of Sudan) from behind which caused large damages for the Eritreans. Therefore the Eritrean governement armed and supported the Beja, the South Sudanese and other rebel groups in Sudan.

His tribe inhabited in the Hamasein, A.Guzay and Serai supported the Union Party and were being used as a pawn by Selassie. These incidents will give you enough proof that Isayas and his tribe won't tolerate us so I'm suprise Hareri as an Ethiopian comes up with his ridiculous claim on Shabab stuff otherwise he would never say this if he knew this history.

The Beja people despise Isayas. Both him and Bashir never supported the Beja because they fear if one of them gets weakened, the Beja will have their eyes set on the lowland and Eastern Sudan which threaten both side's interest hence the forcible bogus treaties they made for the Beja congress.

Anyway, I'm not here for a political debate, I'm pointing out Hareri's claims on his policies toward Somalia. It seems AwRasaale is the only few Somali here who understood the manipulation and secrecy tactics that hardline Tigray - Tigrinia politics used like he said, the vast doesn't even know that Isayas and Zenawi were cousins, partners of the 80s and the fact that Zenawi was a head of the state served on the behalf of him to secure the interest of the "Greater-Tigray".

Peace out.

thegoodshepherd wrote:So what if they are westernized? Kenya is not a real country and can fall apart if it loses the support and attention of the US and UK.
They don't even own their own country, everything is controlled by WaHindi and Muzungu. I rather own my country and know that my people are not serfs on their own land.

I am happy that Kenya is developing economically because that means better trade prospects for the far south of Somalia. But as a country, Somalia has a better shot becoming an actual nation-state, something that neither Ethiopia nor Kenya have any chance of ever achieving.

You got to put your biases aside and look at the situation realistically.

Kenya got the negative of having strong ethnic tensions, but their government does a really great job at calming these tensions and keeping the population in check. Somalia can barely even unite different clans belonging to the same ethnic group. I look at the evidence rather than what is possible. For decades now Kenya has shown to have a superior form of government over Somalia.

AwRastaale wrote:Hararboy,

Relax. Read the comment again.

When Eritreans are fleeing and taking boats those are Eritreans. But the Tigrais in the West come as Eritreans. None of them take boats. All their applications are finalised within Ethiopia. It is one ticket from Addis to Melbourne Some of them go via Sudan.

In 2014 Eritrea changed its ID cards and added new biometric technology.

I'm surprised you say you are from Harar and unaware of the region.

Ps, you're lying you can't tell the accent of southern Kebessa from northern Tigrais for instance Serae and Adwa/Adigratis.

Example

Hawdian, You dont know what you talking about, you just repeating what you been fed from the seraye propogandists in mereja.
Majority of refugees that are stationed in northern tigrays are eritreans, and are registered by UN some of them reach the west but most of them are over there rotting. You are making it as tplf is behind some tigray youth that get to the west and claim they are eritreans to get asylum. You wrong. TPLF dont give a fock about tigrayan youths. there some tigrayan returnees from eritrea that know the in and outs of eritrea and that can speak the anseba accent, they were the ones that cliam to be eritreans becus its easy to get asylum when you are eritrean than when you are tigrayan.
No one wants the anseba refugees, remember they were the ones who were killing us during the war, they coming to our land dodging shabya bullets and risking their deaths. Noone wants them here. they northern tigrays fed up on how the refugees handle themselves when they are in the camp, they are destroing forests and aggravating the already shortage of water problem in tigray. The good tigrayans host them fed them and sent them to foreign lands. And the slaves anseba pay back by badmouthing us when they reach europe.
Also hararboy is right when he said he can differentiate the accent between the eritreans and tegarus. all eritreans mix arabic with they are tigrigna, they talk like ya jema'a, kheliy, mush, teyib, aiwa, and staff in their daily tigrigna. This is common tigrigna usage in asmera, it is a sign you are un urbanite. you gotta mix your tigrigna with arabic and italyan to be considered modern.
say "kemey alekha" to an eritrean and he will reply "bella" to the point that my amhara freinds thought it is tigrigna word. "bella" is italyan for "im fine".
You are wrong in the accent also. Agame/adigrat had no common accent with seraye. Agame is more in common with akele guzay(they were common region of Bur back in a day) than seraye. seraye and axum/adwa accent are the same except the adwa's dont mix arabic and italyan in their tigrigna. adwa/seraye accent is boring its good for arguing and and polititcs only. Sadly its considered the standard tigrigna used in formal use.

Revolutionary wrote:Aderi, who created and implanted TPLF? The answer should suffice why he is still in power.

Hararboy wrote:
afewerkis government has been funding anti Ethiopia terrorist groups in Somalia , so Eritrea is partly fuelling instability in the region although Ethiopia isn't helping either.

So, do you believe them? Al Shabab is an Islamic group whereas Isayas is not a Muslim, he comes from a hardcore Christian sect, prohibited Islam and turned Eritrea into a Marxist country.

He also fought Muslims and fronts in the past such as ELM, Jebha (ELF), Harakat Islamiya Eritrea, Bejas in Eastern Sudan and Afari rebels in S.Djibouti etc.

Al Shabab denied this long time ago and justified these points Ive mentioned.

Itrah wrote:It should have never become an independent country. There is no legitimate ethnic or cultural reason why Eritrea should be independent from Ethiopia.

You act as if Eritrea was part of Ethiopia, it was never was nor part of tribal enclaved Abyssinia which was located in the Gondar region. It was annexed attempted by Haile Selassie but never before it. In fact, Ethiopia was only about 4 decades old that time and about shortly after, they incorporated other ethnic regions (Sidama, Oromo, Gambella, Ogaden etc) through brute from the Abyssinian Plateau.

So in other word, the majority of the population in Ethiopia doesn't recognize the term Ethiopia. The tribes in Eritrea did for many hundred years before the Tigray (Tigrinia) terrorist began to increase migration as an aim to establish rule during the time of Ras Alula - Yohannes when they tried to copy Menelik II's South - Eastern strategic by concentrating on the North ward (Eritrea).

This is when they acquired modernized weapons from Europe hence the forcible expulsion of Jabarta Muslims into Eritrea because of their religion but Eritrea was protected due to the Beja invasion from Sudan and punished Yohannes. Until the Beja fell, Italy promised the Saho and the Afari leaders protection from the remnants of Ras Alula and Menelik II which resulted Eritrea into a colony of Italy.

I will post a thread soon about how the independence happened to clear it up for you.

What a fockin cunt saho/sahay goat fucker. You were our shepherd back in a day before the talyans took you as concubines. You used to be treated good by the tigrayan farmers. Is this how you pay us. Since when did a saho agew migrant have a say in matters of the horn. You f-king gypsy saho agew migrant.