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Django wrote:

FarhanYare wrote:Jubba ganaane VS Bakool Sare. Who will win?

Jubba ganane head quaters is Xamar
While Bakoolsare state the admin are in Celberde.
Farhan do you think being chosen as VP under sakin would end your woes in Lower Shabelle.

Admin for Bakool Sare is based in Garowe.
What woes?

Biggest fail is Federalism and you see why

Farhan at least if you want to lie make it credible like rather than Garoowe why not say Kismaayo.

The one good thing about federalism is that Somalia can't be exploited under the corrupt central government. It ensures that someone local is held responsible. Other African countries get exploited by their president and a few MPs. This way your local leader is accountable and then the government.

gedo
federalism is just temporary solution,what people dont know is if you insist on federalism it means local gov is reponsible local securitfor investment ,road construction,developments etc with little input from central gov on these issues etc so people should not complain when their regions lag behind in terms of infrastracture.

Just bring a federal system won't do any good. There needs to be transparency and openness to the budget government receives, how much pay politicians/staff gets, and costs of projects.

Good thing about Somalis is that they're very tuned in to politics and know what goes down, however propaganda is spewed.

Unionist wrote:Just bring a federal system won't do any good. There needs to be transparency and openness to the budget government receives, how much pay politicians/staff gets, and costs of projects.

Good thing about Somalis is that they're very tuned in to politics and know what goes down, however propaganda is spewed.

But how good is when every penny is devoured in Xamar.Just look at the Turkish projects(scholarships,trainning and development) in the past years did any go beyond Xamar?

You have in Xamar as Yulka said thousands of youth societies each claimming to represent Somalia while they dont pass a degmo like Karan.
Centralism is not favoured even in Kenya they adopted the county system which is more of devolution.

Somalia should have most of the functions devolved to an extent the president becomes symbolic and only ensured integrity.

Django wrote:

Unionist wrote:Just bring a federal system won't do any good. There needs to be transparency and openness to the budget government receives, how much pay politicians/staff gets, and costs of projects.

Good thing about Somalis is that they're very tuned in to politics and know what goes down, however propaganda is spewed.

But how good is when every penny is devoured in Xamar.Just look at the Turkish projects(scholarships,trainning and development) in the past years did any go beyond Xamar?

You have in Xamar as Yulka said thousands of youth societies each claimming to represent Somalia while they dont pass a degmo like Karan.
Centralism is not favoured even in Kenya they adopted the county system which is more of devolution.

Somalia should have most of the functions devolved to an extent the president becomes symbolic and only ensured integrity.

You can't judge the federal system now since it hasn't been completed. There's still Galmudug/PL dispute, SouthWestern state dispute, Hiraan/Shabeele, and SL. Once those are finalized and have their institution fully functioning, then we can judge on it.

Mogadishu will lose most of it's power and only handle power on a federal level. There will be checks/balances that protects state rights. Passing a law transparency and creating an independent anti-corruption group that's not tied to government will reduce corruption. That's what happen to EU when they forced Eastern Europeans to reform their government.

This conflicts have been manufactured by Daml Jadiid to create confusion and portray to the world that Federalism cannot work notice even how Hirshabelle is falling apart because of outside interferance though it is feasible.XassanSheikh wants to become the next MSB and we cant allow this to happen.

Django wrote:This conflicts have been manufactured by Daml Jadiid to create confusion and portray to the world that Federalism cannot work notice even how Hirshabelle is falling apart because of outside interferance though it is feasible.XassanSheikh wants to become the next MSB and we cant allow this to happen.

walaal if you are mature enough you can understand that if you support your clansmen in bakool the clansmen of Sharif sakiin in jubaland can do the same. damu jadiid have nothing to do with this.

theyuusuf143 wrote:

Django wrote:This conflicts have been manufactured by Daml Jadiid to create confusion and portray to the world that Federalism cannot work notice even how Hirshabelle is falling apart because of outside interferance though it is feasible.XassanSheikh wants to become the next MSB and we cant allow this to happen.

walaal if you are mature enough you can understand that if you support your clansmen in bakool the clansmen of Sharif sakiin in jubaland can do the same. damu jadiid have nothing to do with this.

Listen Sakin is not D&M he is Ashraaf .5 married to a Murursade woman.

Sharif cannot be a spokesman for D&M he is in charge of only Konfur Galbeed.
So far he has done nothing to quell the bloody interclan war in Lower Shabelle . Ogaden have been living in Bakool way even before Somalia came to existence and I know cos you are iidoor you have the darood bias you think we are taking over. Suppose you folks were denied Burco and they said its a Gidibirsi strong hold would it be supporting your clansman or being immature?

As for Bakool Ogaden have lived in Celberde and even in the 60's we had mps from Bakool so wat has changed? mise wala is indatiri?

When Ogaden gets 3 seats of of the 150+ seets and Asharaf a .5 who have no degmo but a few bakhar aka wholesalers in the entire region get 2 seats wat do you expect especialy when Sakin refuses every possible way to settle? thats how Bakoolsare sate was formed.

When Sharif is turning a blind eye should I support him and is this maturity to you accepting your clan to be marginalised? come on Somalia did not start in 91. You can read right go to the history books and read about Somalia.

from political point of view Sharif sakiin is the president of all bay bakool and shabeele, if you challenge his rule he have every rights to challenge madoobe's rule over jubaland. if ceel barde people don't want to accept South west state other non darods in jubaland have no especial especial obligation to accept jubaland.

Ninyahow seems like I have been debating with the wall.
Re read wat I said.Sharif Sakin infact has given more seats to Hawiyes in Lower Shabelle more than even Biyomaal.Shrtif should earn the respect. Your logic tht he can take an entire block of Bakool and just marginalise its residents is absurd.The people of Bakool were ready with open arms to welcome mamulka Konfur Galbeed but when they were denied their basic rights and representation and they started issuing 150+ seats using favouritsm and gave raxaweyn like 60% and hawiyes like 20% while less than 5% was awarded to Absame is just absurd.

You are iidoor and for a matter of fact you see haq/righteousness in the form of marginalising darood and darood accepting this form of treatment is somalinimo and maturity.Bakool is not an appendege of JL nor will they be pressured by Blackie to compromise.If blackie loves elay then he should vacate his position to them.

Bakool Sare Way to go!!!!

Mogadishu will lose most of it's power and only handle power on a federal level. There will be checks/balances that protects state rights. Passing a law transparency and creating an independent anti-corruption group that's not tied to government will reduce corruption. That's what happen to EU when they forced Eastern Europeans to reform their government.

Mogadishu Alone Produces more $$$$ than many maamulgoboleeds combined,these money should be invested first and formost in Mogadishu it is the tax money mogadishu people pay,it is their hard work!