Somaliland-South Sudan Scenario

[JSL3000]

We need to stop the Khat and i am not even joking.

Look at how much khamri yall consume in drunk mogadishu.
https://youtu.be/2S9-onQMjkA

[JSL3000]

LooL Mohoka, u ever heard the term Fetal Khat Syndrome?

Thats when a hooyo who is pregnant chews Khat and then gives birth to Mirqaan baby.

SMH.

Games your khat jokes is out dated it's 2016.

LooL i thought they were funny.

Oright, i'll stop.

Look at how much moonshine they drink in xamar.
mogadishu city of drunks and prostitution.
https://youtu.be/2S9-onQMjkA

https://youtu.be/xtej05yLHzw

[mahoka]

Khamri iyo gudhuu maxaa kala haysta

[Strategic]

hate when people make mistakes like italians built it.barre built,dude,mog was there for 1000 years and it was going well,i dont want to discredit barre/italian what ever,but nothing comes free,it is the money of the tax payer that counts in.

[AwRastaale]

Wanlawein always praying to their violent voodoo Gods to bring evil on others.


Just like his clueless uncle smooth is just another clueless Wanlawein. He doesn't even know al Barakat owns Hormuud, do you expect him to know how much it makes?

The entire telecom industry in Somalia and SL is not worth $300mn.

Just another Wanlawein prayer for their evils.

[Togdeer]

We have yet to see the Somali government start a development project, with their own money. It's either aid money or qurbajoog. While Somaliland is building a 300 mile road.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

We have yet to see the Somali government start a development project, with their own money. It's either aid money or qurbajoog. While Somaliland is building a 300 mile road.

Dawlada federalka Somaliya mashaariic baddan ayey si toos ah ugu qeyb qaadatay hirgelintooda.. mashaariicdaas qaar ka mid ah.

Dib u dhiska Garoonka Jowhar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_y9WPBw5Jj0

Dib u dhiska wadada isku xirta ceel macaan ilaa warsheekh.

Dib u dhiskii xaruntii gobolka banaadir.

mashaariic dhismo wadooyin dawlada ka hir galisay shabeelada hoose
http://www.radiomuqdisho.net/kulan-loog ... -muqdisho/

dawlada somaliya oo mashaariic ka fulineysa HIIRAAN

http://hiiraan.com/news/2014/jan/warark ... -45125.htm

dawlada somalia oo xafiiis basaboorada ka furtay buuhoodle..

http://jidbaale.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... saboor.jpg

dawladan sxb adeega shacabka waxay gaarsiiyey ilaa gobolka togdheer Somalia..

[Unionist]

Smooth has such cuqdad against Daroods that it's becoming more pathetic.

Who destroyed Mogadishu?

Who gone in a killing spree in Mogadishu?

Yet all I"m hearing about him is that Darood this and Darood that.

[Unionist]

we have to assess mooryan and what they have actually accomplished.

Mogadishu was built by italians, then barre

hutu go crazy, they kill darod women and children

hutu steal mogadishu from the rest of somalis who owned 90% of it

hutu destroy mogadishu, no one else took part in the destruction of mugadishu

turkey feels sorry for starving hutu children

turkey builds few aid projects in hutudisho (formerly known as mogadishu) including a school and hospital

hutu go crazy, hayaaay aboowe hutudisho way duushay. it is better then all of east africa

They have no rebuttal but just old jokes. Deep down they know that Hutus are the chain holding back Somalia.

[gurey25]

written by an uncle of mine,

https://democracychronicles.com/south-sudan-scenario/

I read the first lines of the articles and started crackingup.


When he says half the population do not support SL, my fellow naive isaaqs understood it to mean
that he was saying isaaq are conflicted.

the reality is like a typical darood, no sorry let me say typical somali, he inflates his qabil,
and has a highly inflated self worth.
nothing wrong with that, i support it too, i too feel that i am the greatest in the world, and my qabiil the greatest too
even if it conflicts with facts.

the author of this article believes darood are 50% of Somaliland, when they have always been ~ 20%..

[gurey25]

Sahan I'm glad you don't run jsl we would all be dead. I think only place that suits you is working for bisha cas because you sound more like a humanitarian. 

Sahan & Yusuuf from what I have seen are the most forward thinking S/landers on this board, its very unfortunate you don't share there thought or foresight infact you are the biggest cretin toll that delights in the suffering of others, your a sick individual

I agree with smooth in a sense . I love my tribe as much as anybody else does his own , but i also love the somali people . We could have had many opportunities in which we could have off set the aspirations of outside forces by getting "in the game"

The group that went to Mogadishu forum were smart, the best thing S/land has done in decades, they asked for 50/50 split, if I was HSM I would have accepted it based on today's circumstances and dangers, we would both gain massively, it will take the kabalax jaberti stooges, her charcoal kingping and her sympathizers out of politics forever, with Rahanweyne, Hawiye, Dir and all the other minorities that always side with us would make up total of 40% of our 50% of the deal.

It's a game changer, but instead you have allowed Jaberti free reign, they are claiming sool/sanaag, they recently threatened you in the media regarding disputed areas for oil exploration, they are the ones when it came to Somalia/Somaliland talks their PM purposely brought a pro somalia isaaq, dhulloz, Gaderbise to the table knowing full well that the Somaliland officials would refuse talks with them, it happened and talks collapsed as a result just as they wanted it to, then came the talks about air traffic & Tax again the guys leading the talks were Jaberti appointed by PM, talks again collapsed as they wanted it to, another jaberti tried to get your life stock export funds from Carabta transferred to him as he is the minister that deals with it, he failed but not without antagonizing you lot, how about the awtuble guy infamous speech at the consulate meeting in front off diplomats a month ago, lambasting Somaliland when contact group bought it up, saying less then 50% of the people support your dream

They have freed themselves from your dependence with government AID money to finally finish their 10 year airport project, if there airport in bosaaso is a success you will be loosing heavy $$$$ as they currently all go through hargaisa to visit their barren lands, if you continue in this self induced slumber you'll soon wake up with nothing to bargain with anymore, in the eyes of IC your no different from Puntland

These are the kind of low intensity warfare they have always been playing against you using government as cover ONLY because you choose to be absent, instead of supporting the DIR representation covertly that have equal 61 MP share, you curse them, threaten them instead of working with them, you guys have failed massively politically, you have the strongest hand in the game but choose to be absent.

Walaal you make an excellent case, and normally it would be valid, but to understand things you need to broaden your mind.
Think from the point of view of the other..
From our point of view we see zero value in Somalia, zero value in your fake government, or parlaiment.
We see no threat, you are just an annoyance, and we are fanatically committed to our independence,

I am a Somaliweynist , i have sentimental feelings of brother hood towards all somalis, but i dont let it go through my head.
Sahangalbeed's thinking is what got us into this mess in the first place.
My fathers generation were all fanatical unionists and idealists, willing to sacrifice anything for the dream,
then they got fucked within 1 year of union.
Sahan and most Isaaq do not understand that southern politics has always been a zero sum game, someone has to lose for you to win.
In the north there is a culture of consensus , even dhulbahante think in consensus when they should be thinking like majerteen.

To solve this issue we need to think outside the box, less rigidity in thought, guided by a sure strategy.
in short Strategic Offensive with tactical defense...
sounds like mumbo jumbo nonesense, but it best explains my weird thinking,

[gurey25]

I hear what you are saying. But Somalia cannot offer anything good to Somaliland. If Somaliland was to join Somalia they would be worse off in my books

For starters you'll come out of isolation and into the international world, your free to sign major deals with countries which you can't now, there is so much that I don't even want to dwell on it, but lets assume it does not benefit you, what's next? tell me? No recognition, can't sign major deals with countries, can't get any significant aid, can't get a loan from the world bank for major projects, no national currency that's recognised, these are all things that newly created states can claim but you can't if you insist upon this isolationist dream.

So what do you think will happen in the next few years? assuming your correct and that Somalia laughably offers you nothing and you stay in isolationism, with all the above states getting significant funding with new deal soon they begin to be on par or surpass you which is inevitable, the question will reverse "what do you offer" ? in Politics you play your hand when its strong, not when its weak and useless, today your hand is still strong ( but not as strong as before), so you play it and don't gamble with it.

I say bring it on, see what you can do.
Isolation will not bring us down, we are used to it.

Your only weapons are a livestock ban by gulf countries and restriction of xamwalad flow.
the first one is out of your hands , and we survived 10 years of that, our economy went into hibernation for 10 years,
10 years of development lost, but we are still standing.

Now for restricting xawalad, you need to protray SL as a danger terrorist government, and have the entire west fulling backing you all the way
which will never happen, kurdistan does well even with baghdad blocking access to international banks.
Eritrea does well, with sanction on its banks..
The truth is with the growth of alternatives to SWIFT, like the Russian-Chinese one and new electronic currencies
and trading it will be impossible to block anyones funds 10 years from now, and increasingly harder to do every day..

and militarily?
You will need to build a real army, or functioning millitia, then transport it to our border, all the while building up,
it will take you several years maybe longer even with billions in aid, remember Siad Barre had a real working army with experience
the logistics still fucked it up, more than the SNM.

There is no millitary option, no economic option either and no real political option to use against SL.

All that investment billions of dollars will not help you unless you reign in corruption, you will remain divided while
any hardship and lack of recognition makes the public more hardline.

[Togdeer]

I hear what you are saying. But Somalia cannot offer anything good to Somaliland. If Somaliland was to join Somalia they would be worse off in my books

For starters you'll come out of isolation and into the international world, your free to sign major deals with countries which you can't now, there is so much that I don't even want to dwell on it, but lets assume it does not benefit you, what's next? tell me? No recognition, can't sign major deals with countries, can't get any significant aid, can't get a loan from the world bank for major projects, no national currency that's recognised, these are all things that newly created states can claim but you can't if you insist upon this isolationist dream.

So what do you think will happen in the next few years? assuming your correct and that Somalia laughably offers you nothing and you stay in isolationism, with all the above states getting significant funding with new deal soon they begin to be on par or surpass you which is inevitable, the question will reverse "what do you offer" ? in Politics you play your hand when its strong, not when its weak and useless, today your hand is still strong ( but not as strong as before), so you play it and don't gamble with it.

I say bring it on, see what you can do.
Isolation will not bring us down, we are used to it.

Your only weapons are a livestock ban by gulf countries and restriction of xamwalad flow.
the first one is out of your hands , and we survived 10 years of that, our economy went into hibernation for 10 years,
10 years of development lost, but we are still standing.

Now for restricting xawalad, you need to protray SL as a danger terrorist government, and have the entire west fulling backing you all the way
which will never happen, kurdistan does well even with baghdad blocking access to international banks.
Eritrea does well, with sanction on its banks..
The truth is with the growth of alternatives to SWIFT, like the Russian-Chinese one and new electronic currencies
and trading it will be impossible to block anyones funds 10 years from now, and increasingly harder to do every day..

and militarily?
You will need to build a real army, or functioning millitia, then transport it to our border, all the while building up,
it will take you several years maybe longer even with billions in aid, remember Siad Barre had a real working army with experience
the logistics still fucked it up, more than the SNM.

There is no millitary option, no economic option either and no real political option to use against SL.

All that investment billions of dollars will not help you unless you reign in corruption, you will remain divided while
any hardship and lack of recognition makes the public more hardline.

If Somaliland was to join Somalia, we would be worse off. Somaliland already made that sacrifice in 1960 and we got nothing in return. Instead there would be war and terror in our land. Don't be fooled by the these people about getting more international investment and better trade options. If Somaliland becomes a strong independent nation, like Taiwan then there is nothing Somalia would be able to do to stop us. Xamar wants nothing good for us, they just want us to suffer like them.

[Rambie]

As if Xamar is not actively placing economic sanctions against us.
Every time there is a major project pending, them Cambulu niggas sabotage it.

[Unionist]

Somaliland is insignificant for the geo-politics to get involve and give them ictiraaf. Taiwan is supported by US, who supports Somaliland?