SOMALILAND TO SEEK STATEHOOD VIA LEGAL ARBITRATION.

[SahanGalbeed]

Waryaahe ^ isku maan , aqli , aragti iyo karti ma nihine , ha na i wanjalin , hana i sheegan haddaad Ilaahey taqaan . Edeb darana bahalkani

[Togdeer]

Somaliland anigu u malayn maayo Puntland baad idin barbar dhigaya , iney soo celin doonto

Somaliland sida keliya ay ku soo noqon karto , marka horta doorashan fooda inagu haysa la dhaafo , waa in 8 gobols kii original ka aha lagu soo laabto .
Benadir
Burao , Hargeysa {Somaliland}
Hiran {shabeelada dhexe}
Lower Juba
Migiurtinia{Puntland}
Mudug
Upper Juba.{koonfur galbeed}

[SahanGalbeed]

Haa , adeer mayee , runta weeye . Mayee waxaan ka xanaaqay maliinti aad tidhi "sahan has a hutu boyfriend" markaa muxu ka hadlaya ka yari baan is laha .
Mayee tan waa ka jawaabi kara , haa run weeye .
Somalia iminka waxa u yaala xeer in waddanku yahay 18 gobol oo dawladii Siyaad Barre samaysay . Plan-kan baa ka fiican , waayo si fiican bay isu dhex galayaan dadku halkan . Gadabursi iyo Isaaq , dhulbahante , warsangeli iyo Isaaq , Puntland na weligeed ba iney wax la qaybsato ummadaa kale diiday e , migiurtinia baa lagu celinaya
Adeer iga raali ahow ya ?

Constitution-ka somalia , senate seat-ka allocation , Somaliland iyo Puntland waa isku mid . Haddan anagu ficil la tagno , DOUBLE Puntland oo wasrangeli iyo dhulbahante ina la socdaan baan heli karna . Laakiin ficil baa loo bahanyahay , haddu gaal inoo kala gar qaado , ciyaal baynu wada nahay

[JSL3000]

Haa , adeer mayee , runta weeye . Mayee waxaan ka xanaaqay maliinti aad tidhi "sahan has a hutu boyfriend" markaa muxu ka hadlaya ka yari baan is laha .
Mayee tan waa ka jawaabi kara , haa run weeye .
Somalia iminka waxa u yaala xeer in waddanku yahay 18 gobol oo dawladii Siyaad Barre samaysay . Plan-kan baa ka fiican , waayo si fiican bay isu dhex galayaan dadku halkan . Gadabursi iyo Isaaq , dhulbahante , warsangeli iyo Isaaq , Puntland na weligeed ba iney wax la qaybsato ummadaa kale diiday e , migiurtinia baa lagu celinaya
Adeer iga raali ahow ya ?

Constitution-ka somalia , senate seat-ka allocation , Somaliland iyo Puntland waa isku mid . Haddan anagu ficil la tagno , DOUBLE Puntland oo wasrangeli iyo dhulbahante ina la socdaan baan heli karna . Laakiin ficil baa loo bahanyahay , haddu gaal inoo kala gar qaado , ciyaal baynu wada nahay

Faqash talk that crazy nonsense continues

Qof bila dhiig ba tahy even reer koonfureed don't accept the 18 afweyne states, why are so quick to surrender?

[Siciid85]

This should give the iidoor something to blabber on about during their all day khat sessions.

[Siciid85]

Waxaan u malaynayaa in ina-baxar islaanta dhabrkeeda ka dhacay markuu yaraa, oo weliba madaxa u dhacay!

sahan anigu af garan waayey.

[SahanGalbeed]

Haa , adeer mayee , runta weeye . Mayee waxaan ka xanaaqay maliinti aad tidhi "sahan has a hutu boyfriend" markaa muxu ka hadlaya ka yari baan is laha .
Mayee tan waa ka jawaabi kara , haa run weeye .
Somalia iminka waxa u yaala xeer in waddanku yahay 18 gobol oo dawladii Siyaad Barre samaysay . Plan-kan baa ka fiican , waayo si fiican bay isu dhex galayaan dadku halkan . Gadabursi iyo Isaaq , dhulbahante , warsangeli iyo Isaaq , Puntland na weligeed ba iney wax la qaybsato ummadaa kale diiday e , migiurtinia baa lagu celinaya
Adeer iga raali ahow ya ?

Constitution-ka somalia , senate seat-ka allocation , Somaliland iyo Puntland waa isku mid . Haddan anagu ficil la tagno , DOUBLE Puntland oo wasrangeli iyo dhulbahante ina la socdaan baan heli karna . Laakiin ficil baa loo bahanyahay , haddu gaal inoo kala gar qaado , ciyaal baynu wada nahay

Faqash talk that crazy nonsense continues

Qof bila dhiig ba tahy even reer koonfureed don't accept the 18 afweyne states, why are so quick to surrender?

Adigu you're not very bright , the plan highlighted in the quotations by Togdeer baan ka hadlaya . Isagaanan la hadlaya , not adiga !

[JSL3000]

Haa , adeer mayee , runta weeye . Mayee waxaan ka xanaaqay maliinti aad tidhi "sahan has a hutu boyfriend" markaa muxu ka hadlaya ka yari baan is laha .
Mayee tan waa ka jawaabi kara , haa run weeye .
Somalia iminka waxa u yaala xeer in waddanku yahay 18 gobol oo dawladii Siyaad Barre samaysay . Plan-kan baa ka fiican , waayo si fiican bay isu dhex galayaan dadku halkan . Gadabursi iyo Isaaq , dhulbahante , warsangeli iyo Isaaq , Puntland na weligeed ba iney wax la qaybsato ummadaa kale diiday e , migiurtinia baa lagu celinaya
Adeer iga raali ahow ya ?

Constitution-ka somalia , senate seat-ka allocation , Somaliland iyo Puntland waa isku mid . Haddan anagu ficil la tagno , DOUBLE Puntland oo wasrangeli iyo dhulbahante ina la socdaan baan heli karna . Laakiin ficil baa loo bahanyahay , haddu gaal inoo kala gar qaado , ciyaal baynu wada nahay

Faqash talk that crazy nonsense continues

Qof bila dhiig ba tahy even reer koonfureed don't accept the 18 afweyne states, why are so quick to surrender?

Adigu you're not very bright , the plan highlighted in the quotations by Togdeer baan ka hadlaya . Isagaanan la hadlaya , not adiga !

good.

[JSL3000]

https://youtu.be/aZqDW_jsD38

[gurey25]

Too hasty.
This attempt will fail because the International court will ignore it.
We should have waited till the comming escalation in 2017-8 when those idiots in xamar will attempt to send arms to ex-khatumoists
leading to clashes.
The international community is worried about disruption of peace, and order, and are happy for SL to be quite and well behaved.

[smooth]

People get far too emotional on this topic, the Jaberti's will be the biggest losers if Somaliland get's recognised and everyone else except them will gain tremendously, Geopolitically it will benefit Somali's everywhere, 3 countries with representation both in Kenya and Ethiopia

What will hurt Somaliland most is the lack of consensus particularly among reer awadal & Jaberti camps whom as always will be very vocal and the 61 vocal DIR MP's you have no control over, Puntland is claiming the disputed areas and it doesn't help that the IC recognises SOOL/SANAAG as disputed, even bigger enemy is IGAD and the UN doesn't want it either, in 2007/8 and 1999-2005 when Somalia was at it worst with blood thirsty warlords and insecurities it didn't happen, so the chances of today with stability is even worse.

I agree with Sahan's view and its also what I have been pushing, there is no point in continuing to beat a dead horse, you guys have been doing so for 25 years with Somalia 100x times worse then it is today and it didn't work, the strategy I would have employed if I was at helm is to fight for 50/50 as was agreed before or complete independence (bluff), a lot of Somali's would have been supportive of it including the IC and it's a position you are very likely to win since you had been usurped before by the Jaberti's under the previous union.

I would have engaged all the UN envoys controlled the 61 DIR MP's in parliament you guys currently don't privately, Puntland control's her jaberti's in Parliament despite frequently cuting ties to the government, you would have won the presidency in a landslide with Koonfur Dir's, you don't even need Jaberti or Hawiye, with the presidency and the insecurities in Xamar, I would have then declared Mogadishu as not being safe and the seat to be temporarily moved to Hargaisa like C/Yusuf done with Baidoa, a year or two later I will put the capital city up for vote like it happened in Nigeria and again win a landside, BAM capital is now Hargaisa, instead of just controlling 25% of land mass that's completely barren, I know control 100% with all the best fertile lands, with 50% and my DIR in the south.

I will forever be the Godfather of the land, all aid, development money will fall into my coffers in perpetuity, but the problem with you guys is that your too emotional to see the opportunities in front of you, there is no viable counter argument, Puntland a f-king 2 gobal state has managed to keep the country hostage for so long what do you think would have happened if S/land had a astute politicians with broad vision?? you guys would ran away with it with ease, the above would have been a reality now!

the more you wait, the less you have to bargain for with all the new state formations and the same story will continue for another 25 years assuming S/land hasn't fallen apart by then or been forced into union by IC, become the master of your own destiny before your destiny is dictated to you by others, stop chasing failed strategies, the horse has left the barn, closing the doors now will make no difference.

[gurey25]

People get far too emotional on this topic, the Jaberti's will be the biggest losers if Somaliland get's recognised and everyone else except them will gain tremendously, Geopolitically it will benefit Somali's everywhere, 3 countries with representation both in Kenya and Ethiopia

What will hurt Somaliland most is the lack of consensus particularly among reer awadal & Jaberti camps whom as always will be very vocal and the 61 vocal DIR MP's you have no control over, Puntland is claiming the disputed areas and it doesn't help that the IC recognises SOOL/SANAAG as disputed, even bigger enemy is IGAD and the UN doesn't want it either, in 2007/8 and 1999-2005 when Somalia was at it worst with blood thirsty warlords and insecurities it didn't happen, so the chances of today with stability is even worse.

I agree with Sahan's view and its also what I have been pushing, there is no point in continuing to beat a dead horse, you guys have been doing so for 25 years with Somalia 100x times worse then it is today and it didn't work, the strategy I would have employed if I was at helm is to fight for 50/50 as was agreed before or complete independence (bluff), a lot of Somali's would have been supportive of it including the IC and it's a position you are very likely to win since you had been usurped before by the Jaberti's under the previous union.

I would have engaged all the UN envoys controlled the 61 DIR MP's in parliament you guys currently don't privately, Puntland control's her jaberti's in Parliament despite frequently cuting ties to the government, you would have won the presidency in a landslide with Koonfur Dir's, you don't even need Jaberti or Hawiye, with the presidency and the insecurities in Xamar, I would have then declared Mogadishu as not being safe and the seat to be temporarily moved to Hargaisa like C/Yusuf done with Baidoa, a year or two later I will put the capital city up for vote like it happened in Nigeria and again win a landside, BAM capital is now Hargaisa, instead of just controlling 25% of land mass that's completely barren, I know control 100% with all the best fertile lands, with 50% and my DIR in the south.

I will forever be the Godfather of the land, all aid, development money will fall into my coffers in perpetuity, but the problem with you guys is that your too emotional to see the opportunities in front of you, there is no viable counter argument, Puntland a f-king 2 gobal state has managed to keep the country hostage for so long what do you think would have happened if S/land had a astute politicians with broad vision?? you guys would ran away with it with ease, the above would have been a reality now!

the more you wait, the less you have to bargain for with all the new state formations and the same story will continue for another 25 years assuming S/land hasn't fallen apart by then or been forced into union by IC, become the master of your own destiny before your destiny is dictated to you by others, stop chasing failed strategies, the horse has left the barn, closing the doors now will make no difference.

Wonderful strategy and i am sure it would work, quite well,
the problem you see is incompatibility of political culture.
Isaaq political culture is based on consensus and negotiation, not a winner takes all philosophy, and they do not see politics as a continuation of war.
What you outlined is majerteen thinking, i dont disparage them, i am admire their political sophistication, but we have a clash of cultures
the tyical isaaq in the streets, and the average dhulbahante does not understand this, you are speaking an alien language.
It explains why dhulbahante are always subordinated to majerteen political vision, and are suceptable to influences against their interest.

Our leadership is also very different, because they are beholden to the will of the public, its not lip service,
isaaq are the most anarchic clan out there, we can even beat your habar gidir in mooryanimio,
the strong precence and power of xeer , our traditional leaders, and the vision of Somaliland keep us in check.
and the same things, as well as utter fear of the public, also constrain and influence our politicians.
So you see this is why we do these emotional and illogical things, like declaring independence in 1991,
and joining Somalia in 1960.
In both cases our leadership wanted to move in a different direction, but were dissuaded violently by the mob.
In 1960 Egal suggested slowing down the union till the finer points were ironed out, the crowd nearly all isaaq were violent,
and someone threw a coke bottle at him.
The same mood was there in 1991 burco, practically every SNM leader was a unionist ,
the public was sick and tired of somalia, and expressed utter hatred,
the mood was so dangerous, the public would have mobbed and lynched their own SNM leaders who brought them freedom,
their own founding fathers, if they suggested continued union.

I say the dice is thrown, we have made our decision, its done,
its freedom and independence or death..
no fancy tactics no political play..

[smooth]

Gurey

Sxb you hit the nail on the head with the anarchy, I have seen it first hand, Fiqhe a sacad guy best friends Sh Shariif during his rule, he met mudane siilanyoo, they spoke about different things, but one of things that struck me the most was that Shariif asked Siilanyoo whether he regarded the Somalia in the present to better then the one in the past since he was present in both, siilanyo picked the latter but told Shariif to forget this union stuff because before he reaches his office the lady selling khaat at the airport ishadi kaliya ban ku dhimaneya if she ever finds out I preferred the latter, even he is scared

I was nearly mobbed when I was in Hargaisa, it's a dangerous topic, people there get very emotional about it, I used to ask my uncle great friend of Gen Ceydiid why Ceydiid refused to give up TUUR when C/Yusuf came with a better deal while Tuur at that time didn't control Hargaisa, C/Yusuf wanted to be PM and would bring the whole of Darood, but Ceydiid still refused, my uncle told me, Ceydiid strongly believed without Isaaq's nothing would work in Somalia, this was at a time you had inter isaaq warfare ensuing, shortly after the Jaberti's struck a deal with donkey Mahdi & he was appointed, we know what happened next.

This thinking has nothing to do with MJ at all, the best politicians in Somalia always came from the OLD MUDUG region, which included present day Galgaluud, there are a diverse tribes that live there but it's dominated by HG/MJ, even Weceysle from among Abgaal live there, they are the smartest from their brothers politic's wise, the people in Mudug are very different from the rest of Somali's, it's very well known, very politically driven, look at how smoothly Galmudug was set up, yet Hiiraan/Sh dhexe still quarrelling for almost 6 months now.

[SahanGalbeed]

My friends I feel obligated to reiterate my position as I believe my esteemed brother Gurey's viewpoint is the prevailing one among our youth here .
As the title suggests Somaliland is considering international arbitration .As I often like to remind everyone , we dont live in a bubble . There are ramifications in Africa to this path . If Somaliland wins its case , it is the end of Mali {tuareg secessionist in the north} , the end Nigeria {secessionist movement in the South } , the end of Morocco { secessionist movement in the west } and the end of Lybia {a formerly secessionist movement in the East now 1 of the 2 governments of that country }

[abdikarim86]

My friends I feel obligated to reiterate my position as I believe my esteemed brother Gurey's viewpoint is the prevailing one among our youth here .
As the title suggests Somaliland is considering international arbitration .As I often like to remind everyone , we dont live in a bubble . There are ramifications in Africa to this path . If Somaliland wins its case , it is the end of Mali {tuareg secessionist in the north} , the end Nigeria {secessionist movement in the South } , the end of Morocco { secessionist movement in the west } and the end of Lybia {a formerly secessionist movement in the East now 1 of the 2 governments of that country }

So for these reasons you suggest being ruled from Xamar?

Gurey put it succinctly "Death or Freedom". There is nothing else.