HABR MAQDI - HABAR MAQDR - AHMED GURAY AND THE CONQUEST OF ABYSSINIA.

[AGENT447]

Baastounit, why you gotta shit on us like that niyaw, awowgaagii fuudka bastada ku sakhraami jiray cune. Ahahahah that was funny and on point walahi


Roble, don't mind these nay sayers, Imam Ahmed Gurey was tolka, and we have an entire xaafad in Borama to prove it . Ragedii walahi, keep up the good work.


GubanOgoHawdJSL, shoodhe naga qallee dee, aanu kaa mirqaanee , dont be mirqaan jabis bro, Reer ku were gangsters back in the days, no doubt abt that, most of the territory kn our possession today waan soo dhacnay

[X.Playa]

Thank you Agent, definitely worth reading

The last piece to the puzzle.


Pay attention to Husain Musa Bin 'Abd Allah Makida, a stripe below the k meaning a strong K.

He is of the tribe of Ahmed Girri. So he is of the Habar Maqdi(as written in the book), but a Makida alone has been written now.

This time a K has been added instead of a Q , strengthening the claim to Makadur.

This time even a i has been added to the word which nullifies the other claims to it and strengthens the Makidoor/Makidor/Makadur claim. You can't say Magida or Magidle, but Makidor has always been used.

A Isaaq of the Habar Magaadle can't say I'm AbdAllah of Magaadle , because Magaadle in itself is a whole different clan.

But just like the (Habr) Garhajis the (Habr) Makidor practice the same culture of occasionally removing the Habar pre-fix.

Husain Musa Bin 'Abd Allah Makidor.

We already discussed that the ya written in Arabic could've actually been an raa.

I can even connect Husain Musa Bin AbdAllah to the abtirsi.

The text above has nothing to do with Gedabursi don't get too creative , the text is referring to Habar Magaadle. no Makaadir , just Magaadle.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Why didn't Husein Musa Bin Abdallah Makida , emphasize that he was of the Habr , because it is not needed with Makidor, but with Magaadle it is, since Magaadle is a other known clan in itself.

Maqdi or Makida. It's closer to Makadur/Makidor.

The Habr Maqdr of the Harar Valley, the Harawo Valley, the Hararghe Valley and their close ties to the Geri.
Their land from Amud to Zeila is living proof and the ruins left behind in Amud and the accounts still told by the Gadabursi elders.

[X.Playa]

Simply because I.M Lewis thought so it doesn't make it written in stones. Only I.M.Lewis thought Habar Maqdi or Mago/magaadle were Gedabursi most other translators going back at least a century from as far as the 1890s translated the obvious Habar Maqdi into Habar magaado/magaadle. You don't need to creat French when one sees an Irishman. easy with the creativity.

[samaalenoble]

Simply because I.M Lewis thought so it doesn't make it written in stones. Only I.M.Lewis thought Habar Maqdi or Mago/magaadle were Gedabursi most other translators going back at least a century from as far as the 1890s translated the obvious Habar Maqdi into Habar magaado/magaadle. You don't need to creat French when one sees an Irishman. easy with the creativity.

"most other translators going back at least a century from as far as the 1890s translated the obvious Habar Maqdi into Habar magaado/magaadle"



X. Playa playing cards right now.




ROFL

[burcaawi14]

Imam Ahmed al GAZI and Ahmed Gurey are two different people. How hard a concept is that to understand? Imam Ahmed, the leader of the expedition was most likely Afar/arab hybrid, but the Chief of the Habr Magaadle clan is Ahmed Gurey. You can't 'pinpoint' anything using highly biased faqashized sources which remove all significant Isaaq contributions from Somali history.

I have never heard of Habr Maqdi in my life. It may just be a corruption of the name Habr Magaadle/Magaade or it may be an independent clan that lived north (there were like hundreds of those).

Also, how can my 'elders' have an account of a war that happened 500 yrs ago? Do your elders have an account of baby Jesus being born? Somali oral history is muddled and unreliable for the most part. Only written primary sources can be trusted.

Yes you don't have oral history on the accounts, but most Gadabursi have and most Isaaq when talking about Ahmed Guray even in Somaliland will tell you he was a Gadabursi. It's just with the recent confusion with the Habr Maqdi that some have tried to claim him.

No Oral History , No Fighting on your grounds and ruins caused by the war. You can't even pinpoint which clan he was


To us since it was passed orally he was of the Abrayn of the Mahad "Ase of the Habr Makadur.

Habr Makadur existed in the past, Gadabursi didn't and was created afterwards and their Ugaas was crowned afterwards.

The i at the end of the name Habr Maqdi was probably, because of the confusion between an Arabic raa'. ر and the "kasra"



or

In Arabic script, the vowel point for "i", appearing as a small diagonalline placed below a letter: ـِ (-i) and designating a short /i/. If the Arabic letter ي (yāʾ) immediately follows, it indicates a long /ī/.

So or the raa'. ر was confused for a ي (yāʾ) /ī/



Either way Arabs don't confuse a G for a Qaaf .

They might confused a Qaaf for a Kaaf or a J for a G.

This is why it's Maqdr

Your logic using arabic is soooo incorrect. Never in my life have I seen, read, or heard the ق being replaced with ك. Whether in classical, modern, or colloquial arabi this does not exist. Almost everywhere in the Arab world today changes qaaf to gaa or like the shaami arabs who completely drop the qaaf altogether and change it to aa" like albi instead of qalbi or galbi.

Nice try though

[gegiroor]

Whilst the world is making huge technological advancements, the accursed nation is either dying of hunger or arguing about meaningless drivel. My awoowes nigis was white than yours. War abihin wase, your awoowe does not wear a Nigis till this day. Kaan nacaskan bal ark:-my cayn plus Dal plus alif equals my awoowe ahmad gurey was habar magacle.war dadkani waa imtixaan.

You got it wrong bro Baastounit. Brother RoobleWaliid just created the thread to educate all of us. That is all. Since knowing history is part of the technological advancement, we gotta get that book, read it, and take it from there.

[samaalenoble]

Your logic using arabic is soooo incorrect. Never in my life have I seen, read, or heard the ق being replaced with ك. Whether in classical, modern, or colloquial arabi this does not exist. Almost everywhere in the Arab world today changes qaaf to gaa or like the shaami arabs who completely drop the qaaf altogether and change it to aa" like albi instead of qalbi or galbi.

Nice try though

The likelihood of an interchangeability between ق and ک/ك is profoundly more likely than a missing ل.

You should some more research on Arabic linguistics.

[burcaawi14]

Your logic using arabic is soooo incorrect. Never in my life have I seen, read, or heard the ق being replaced with ك. Whether in classical, modern, or colloquial arabi this does not exist. Almost everywhere in the Arab world today changes qaaf to gaa or like the shaami arabs who completely drop the qaaf altogether and change it to aa" like albi instead of qalbi or galbi.

Nice try though

The likelihood of an interchangeability between ق and ک/ك is profoundly more likely than a missing ل.

You should some more research on Arabic linguistics.

The burden of proof is on the bearer. Since you're telling me to do more research on arabic linguistics, im sure you have done yours. Give me an example, from classical or modern arab texts or even colloquial arabic that support what you and the rooble kid stated

[samaalenoble]

Your logic using arabic is soooo incorrect. Never in my life have I seen, read, or heard the ق being replaced with ك. Whether in classical, modern, or colloquial arabi this does not exist. Almost everywhere in the Arab world today changes qaaf to gaa or like the shaami arabs who completely drop the qaaf altogether and change it to aa" like albi instead of qalbi or galbi.

Nice try though

The likelihood of an interchangeability between ق and ک/ك is profoundly more likely than a missing ل.

You should some more research on Arabic linguistics.

The burden of proof is on the bearer. Since you're telling me to do more research on arabic linguistics, im sure you have done yours. Give me an example, from classical or modern arab texts or even colloquial arabic that support what you and the rooble kid stated

1. I told you ق and ک/ك are more likely to be interchangeable than a term missing a ل, you sidestep it, and clung to me telling you to do research.

Re-read it carefully this time.


2. Pankhurst chose Habr Makadur, take it up with him.


3. Rooble has archaeology - physical evidence (heavy), locality claims (heavy) and specifically modern lineage claims.


Rooble 4 : 0

Soo Maal



ROFL

[ramzy2277]

Rooble ,
do u know there are 2 ahmed gurey here......one is the imam ahmed al gazi or as somalis call him ahmed gurey....they other one is ahmed gurey bin hussain al somali from هبر مقدى

so if u r claiming هبر مقدى are gadabursi so that mean gadabursi have nothing to do with the imam ahmed al gazi or imam ahmed gurey as he was not from هبر مقدى ...one of his army groups from the somali country have the same name and was leader of his tribe هبر مقدى.



I dont believe imam ahmed al gazi was a somali ,if u read the arabic original book ,u will find it was quit distinctive that the author never refered to Imam ahmed al gazi with the nasab name al somali as he does to all somali leaders who were with him, not only that he always talked about the somalis as they are a separate unit from the imam ahmed companions and family , moreover you can read from the text below that the Imam used to live in another country بلاد away from the Somali Country بلاد الصومال ......here in this text the author says that a somali tribe called جرى ( geri ) complained to the imam ahmed that a tribe called هبر مقدى invaded their land and ruined their properties, and this rebellious tribe have already refused to give the zakat money to the imam ahmed ,so imam ahmed prepared his army and left his country بلاه and headed toward the xabash country and in the midway he took a turn and headed to the Somali country بلاد الصومال to discipline هبر مقدى where he ruined their properties and took their money and left their home into ashes.




imam ahmed al gazi destroyed هبر مقدى homes and later on , this tribe and all the somali tribes made a grand meeting and put all their differences down and joined imam ahmed al gazi jihad against the al xubush.

the distinct is now clear between imam ahmed al gazi who came from another بلاد and ahmed gurey bin hussain al somali from هبر مقدى

[gegiroor]

Habr Maqdi/Habr Makdi and Habar magaadle are two different things. Give it up people. If Gerri name was fully recorded with the letter 'G', Habar Magaadle would've been recorded as well, but it isn't, Therefore, the arguments that you're putting here have no basis.

Besides, by reviewing the list of clans that contributed to the Jihaad, Habr Magaadle was not included. Harti, Mareexaan, Gerri Koombe, Absame, Gadabuursi, Yibir, and Karanle Hawiye + other Arab, Turks, and Persian Muslims were all recorded; but hell no way that Habr Magaale was mentioned.

Nevertheless, this was a Jihad, so it was an event that every Muslim should be associated with as well. But at least give it a rest, no Habr Magaadle was recorded of being part of it.

[ZubairDragon]

Rooble gacan baa ku taagay

[ramzy2277]

Habr Maqdi/Habr Makdi and Habar magaadle are two different things. Give it up people. If Gerri name was fully recorded with the letter 'G', Habar Magaadle would've been recorded as well, but it isn't, Therefore, the arguments that you're putting here have no basis.

Besides, by reviewing the list of clans that contributed to the Jihaad, Habr Magaadle was not included. Harti, Mareexaan, Gerri Koombe, Absame, Gadabuursi, Yibir, and Karanle Hawiye + other Arab, Turks, and Persian Muslims were all recorded; but hell no way that Habr Magaale was mentioned.

Nevertheless, this was a Jihad, so it was an event that every Muslim should be associated with as well. But at least give it a rest, no Habr Magaadle was recorded of being part of it.

Do you read Arabic? if yes, then start reading from the red underlined sentence , it clearly says Ahmed gurey bin husain al somali from هبر مقدى was the first tribe to join the imam ahmad in his call for jihad....r u blindly going to deny this as usual..!!



but,if u don't read arabic then thats ur own problem and dont make stupid judgement based on ur ignorance.

Harti..!!....looool.....u denying to involve habar magdi/maqdi/magad which war clearly mentioned several times and blatantly inject harti in the jihad...




the only name that resembles harti in the book is xarti حرتى ...again the same dilema faces by rooble faces u, how the name is written in arabic and ur somali name are different....harti starts with '' H'' corresponding in arabic '' haa' ها like in Huda as an example...but in the arabic text it uses the letter ''X' in somali or ''ح '' like in Ximaar , the name mentioned in the book is حرتي not هرتي ........not to forget the last letter in Harti is '' i '' and thats another story with the ى is meant by 'Ii'' or '' AA'' as the yaa in arabic denoted with 2 dots below the lette like حرتي , which is not the case here in حرتى .




as for the marexan...yes they are mentioned, I wont deny that but are the the same marexan of the darood u mean or different tribe with the same name, because marexan darood claim to be from hashimi and somali fathers but this marexan leader xirabu bin guita bin tederos have a pure non somali abtiris with no arabic name except Adem ..!!

anyhow also can deny that they only done so after the imam put a man hunt warrant after their leader Xirabu bin Guita bin tederos bin Adem...حرابوا بن جيوتا بن تيدوروس بن ادم .( WHAT KIND OF A SOMALI NAME IS THIS..!! TRY TO TYPE TEDEROS IN GOOGLE AND ALL U GONA FIND IS XABASHI SONGS AND LINKS.. )...this xirabo guy put up some weak excuse for not joining the jihad and the imam told him'' no good is expected out of you''.







why do you hate isxaaq that much, i never understand ur ppl, this is an islamic history,no doubt but u and ur likes always try to remove isxaaq from any good somali history,and u always fail to distort history as usual too..... somehow i can understand ur out cry in the darweesh terrorist movement as ur dholos ppl were involved same thing it can be said in the faqash days where ur ppl were the D in the faqash M.O.D regime, but seriously u trying now to distort history and inject ur harti into this and augment the isxaaq out it.....what kind of cuqdad is driving ur logic ,if u ever have one, I wonder.