Have you ever been to Jamaame district or travelled through Jilib recently bro?
Jamaame is Biimaal, Bantu; and a minority of Abgaal, Galjeecel, Surre clans. Unlike the Lower Jubba Gaadsan, Jamaame Biimaal subclans and OG do not neighbour each other. The OG stop at Jilib on the other side of the Juba River. The Sheekhal have an urban presence in Jilib town along with a Habargidir merchant class and all sorts of Somalis, however, the villages surrounding it along the river are numerically mainly Bantu. Sheekhal's main Deegan in Middle Jubba is Xaramka where they used to defend themselves against attacks from the JVA. The part of Jilib district south of the Shabelle River is overwhelmingly Biimaal territory and even settle North of the river where they border Sahal's Xawaadle subclan, Tunni, Sheekhals etc.
Bro, you have also ignored the fact that Digil and Mirifle also inhabit the farming towns of Saakow and Buaale.
Bro never been to jamame or bualle..as i have said earlier in this thread, the only district i have been are afmadow,kismayo(3 months) and gosha.
I am not well versed on how/what communities live jamame but i was told BG used to live in jamame, sorry if u thought that im passing that info as facts..i know biyomaal are majority there now.
I didnt ignore D/M and tunni existence in jubbada dhexe..i was just trying to tell somaliler where OG settle in Jubbaland.
ps Tribal demographics changes over time..forexample i remember dhoobley being cowlyahan town but currently it is dominated By MZ.
Walee waa yaab, ninkaan shalay Xawaadlaha cawaanta uga hiileyniney baa anaga maanta dhulkeena nugu heysta?? I have never questioned the presence of Biyomal in Jamaame where they share with Ogaadeen, but to question Jilib and give to Reer Aw Qudub??? You are focking dichead and I recommend you learn the history of the land. While there is a Sheekhaal presence in the city, OGs are three times more than Skheekhaal and all other clans combined in Jilib and its surrounding villages. Do you know how Reer Aw Qudub of Sheekhaal came to Jilib? When OGs migrated to Jubbaland in early 1840s, they wanted Quran teachers and it has been well documented history. As a matter of fact, Maqaabul and Cawyahan collided on this same issue; to bring the Reer Aw Qudub from Galbeed or not. Cawlyahans didn't want that, and I think Maqaabuls wanted them to be brought. I have seen some writings that transpose as who of the two wanted them. The entire family of Suldaan Lugadheere, the current second VP of Jubbaland is in Galbeed. As for Mareereey, there is no village more Ogaden than Mareereey which is also called Hargaisa Yareey. It was a hub for all Absame traders at one point from Badhaade,Afmadow, Buaale, Xagar, Jamaame and so on, you can easily get to Mareerey. Educate yourself before you utter nonsense.
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Have you ever been to Jamaame district or travelled through Jilib recently bro?
Jamaame is Biimaal, Bantu; and a minority of Abgaal, Galjeecel, Surre clans. Unlike the Lower Jubba Gaadsan, Jamaame Biimaal subclans and OG do not neighbour each other. The OG stop at Jilib on the other side of the Juba River. The Sheekhal have an urban presence in Jilib town along with a Habargidir merchant class and all sorts of Somalis, however, the villages surrounding it along the river are numerically mainly Bantu. Sheekhal's main Deegan in Middle Jubba is Xaramka where they used to defend themselves against attacks from the JVA. The part of Jilib district south of the Shabelle River is overwhelmingly Biimaal territory and even settle North of the river where they border Sahal's Xawaadle subclan, Tunni, Sheekhals etc.
Bro, you have also ignored the fact that Digil and Mirifle also inhabit the farming towns of Saakow and Buaale.
Bro never been to jamame or bualle..as i have said earlier in this thread, the only district i have been are afmadow,kismayo(3 months) and gosha.
I am not well versed on how/what communities live jamame but i was told BG used to live in jamame, sorry if u thought that im passing that info as facts..i know biyomaal are majority there now.
I didnt ignore D/M and tunni existence in jubbada dhexe..i was just trying to tell somaliler where OG settle in Jubbaland.
ps Tribal demographics changes over time..forexample i remember dhoobley being cowlyahan town but currently it is dominated By MZ.
Walee waa yaab, ninkaan shalay Xawaadlaha cawaanta uga hiileyniney baa anaga maanta dhulkeena nugu heysta?? I have never questioned the presence of Biyomal in Jamaame where they share with Ogaadeen, but to question Jilib and give to Reer Aw Qudub??? You are focking dichead and I recommend you learn the history of the land. While there is a Sheekhaal presence in the city, OGs are three times more than Skheekhaal and all other clans combined in Jilib and its surrounding villages. Do you know how Reer Aw Qudub of Sheekhaal came to Jilib? When OGs migrated to Jubbaland in early 1840s, they wanted Quran teachers and it has been well documented history. As a matter of fact, Maqaabul and Cawyahan collided on this same issue; to bring the Reer Aw Qudub from Galbeed or not. Cawlyahans didn't want that, and I think Maqaabuls wanted them to be brought. I have seen some writings that transpose as who of the two wanted them. The entire family of Suldaan Lugadheere, the current second VP of Jubbaland is in Galbeed. As for Mareereey, there is no village more Ogaden than Mareereey which is also called Hargaisa Yareey. It was a hub for all Absame traders at one point from Badhaade,Afmadow, Buaale, Xagar, Jamaame and so on, you can easily get to Mareerey. Educate yourself before you utter nonsense.
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Firstly, did I even state that Sheekhal were a majority in Jilib. Nigga, I clearly stated that the Gosha Bantus were the single biggest 'clan' in that area. As a matter of fact, I highlighted that their main Deegan is Xaramka village and that they are one of many dwellers in the town. I know you guys got beef with the Sheekhal but there is no need to lose your rag over a simple statement that Sheekhal have a presence in Jilib district. In regard to Mareerey, did you see me even mention it?
Secondly, Ogaden and Biimaal never neighboured each other nor do they currently have clan boundaries. Check any historical map of Jubbaland and you will observe that between them were the Gosha and other clans. Biimaal mainly share the district with their former Bantu slaves and that is an undeniable fact. Ogaden individuals might live in the area but that does not amount to a deegan. Heck, you even some Harti families that resided there before the Civil War and some still do.
Lastly, as Blue Blood can bear witness to, I do not get involved in Og FKD threads. However, I will not bite my tongue when it comes to speaking the truth about degmada Jamaame just because Cabdi Iley helped Surres during our conflict with the Xawaadle by ensuring that we did not run out of supplies. He did not do it out of the goodness of his heart considering that OG's have no love for Xawaadle after what happened during the Civil War. That is Somali politics for you.
Samaale,
I got nothing but love for Beesha Sure and appreciate their bravery in keeping the baby-killing Xawaadle folks at bay. Just for your information, hoping this may help, during the civilian government where we had a little bit more civilized clan elections, both Jamaame candidates were often Ogaadeen. There were four parliamentary elections from 1960 to 1969 and with the exception of two times, Jamaame sent two OGs to the parliament. The two exceptions were Biyomaal MP and Mareexaan MP. The Mareexaan MP was a relative of one of the OGs that dominated the Jamaame politics. For you information, the first Somali Defense Minister and the first Somali ambassador to United States were both elected from Jamaame. There were brothers; Hilowle Macalin and Cumar Macallin.
Here is Hilowle on the far right; the first Defense Minister of the newly-born Somali Republic:
And here is Cumar Macallin welcoming the prime minister of the state to Washington. Check at 3:42 of the video and listen how the Somali Ambassador to the United States provides the reception for the PM and other international dignitaries. This was in 1962. Both Ilma-Macalin brothers were elected from Jamaame. By the way, the famous Mataano sisters are the grand daughters of Cumar Macallin, one of the greatest Somalis I have ever met. He died in San Diego 1999. You can see him clearly at the end of the video at 9:02 smoking cigarettes.
Yes, you can argue that they were rich and perhaps bought the election. But Somalia in 1960s is where the so-called Somaliland is today. All candidates were elected democratically along clan lines and if you don't have strong presence of your clan in the area, you are toasted. Yes there were few instances were people from other clans were elected from cities where they did not have strong clan connections, but even those had strong maternal links. Yuusuf Dheere who was Ogaadeen was sent to the parliament by Hargaisa, and of course the sub clan of his mother was responsible for that. And I know for sure that Ila-Macalin had no Biyomaal or Bantu relatives
Everyone knows that those elections were bogus and fake.
Compared to your example.. Majeerteen got more MP's from Bay and Bakool in those same elections, can you argue that they outnumber Raxanweyn or that Bay and Bakool is MJ gobols?
Jamaame district is Biimaal and will always be Biimaal territory. I hope they secure their areas in Jilib district as well.
Xildiiid wrote:Everyone knows that those elections were bogus and fake.
Compared to your example.. Majeerteen got more MP's from Bay and Bakool in those same elections, can you argue that they outnumber Raxanweyn or that Bay and Bakool is MJ gobols?
Jamaame district is Biimaal and will always be Biimaal territory. I hope they secure their areas in Jilib district as well.
What the fock do you know about who lives where and who don't live in the Jubbas? why you talking senseless bullshit in this topic which you have no knowledge on? do you want morgan to karbaash you again? kindly gtfo and head back to your holocaust camp.
How was Bah geri and ONLF relations? i heard bah geri used to round up wounded ONLF soldiers and hand them to Ethiopia, due to their fareness of MZ domination.
Professor ghaani's video of isir raac and qabiils stated that subclan bah geri was made by sayid abdalla hassan? which means they are not even real ogs?
MarsinQorahay wrote:How was Bah geri and ONLF relations? i heard bah geri used to round up wounded ONLF soldiers and hand them to Ethiopia, due to their fareness of MZ domination.
Professor ghaani's video of isir raac and qabiils stated that subclan bah geri was made by sayid abdalla hassan? which means they are not even real ogs?
lol if Bahgeri are sheegato, Baahale oo dhan waa sheegato
guhad122 wrote:Samaale,
I got nothing but love for Beesha Sure and appreciate their bravery in keeping the baby-killing Xawaadle folks at bay. Just for your information, hoping this may help, during the civilian government where we had a little bit more civilized clan elections, both Jamaame candidates were often Ogaadeen. There were four parliamentary elections from 1960 to 1969 and with the exception of two times, Jamaame sent two OGs to the parliament. The two exceptions were Biyomaal MP and Mareexaan MP. The Mareexaan MP was a relative of one of the OGs that dominated the Jamaame politics. For you information, the first Somali Defense Minister and the first Somali ambassador to United States were both elected from Jamaame. There were brothers; Hilowle Macalin and Cumar Macallin.
Here is Hilowle on the far right; the first Defense Minister of the newly-born Somali Republic:
And here is Cumar Macallin welcoming the prime minister of the state to Washington. Check at 3:42 of the video and listen how the Somali Ambassador to the United States provides the reception for the PM and other international dignitaries. This was in 1962. Both Ilma-Macalin brothers were elected from Jamaame. By the way, the famous Mataano sisters are the grand daughters of Cumar Macallin, one of the greatest Somalis I have ever met. He died in San Diego 1999. You can see him clearly at the end of the video at 9:02 smoking cigarettes.
Yes, you can argue that they were rich and perhaps bought the election. But Somalia in 1960s is where the so-called Somaliland is today. All candidates were elected democratically along clan lines and if you don't have strong presence of your clan in the area, you are toasted. Yes there were few instances were people from other clans were elected from cities where they did not have strong clan connections, but even those had strong maternal links. Yuusuf Dheere who was Ogaadeen was sent to the parliament by Hargaisa, and of course the sub clan of his mother was responsible for that. And I know for sure that Ila-Macalin had no Biyomaal or Bantu relatives
Good argument Guhad.
zumaale wrote:....
What is your take on this indr. Awaaw gii la gubkan wuxu ka hadlayo bal eray gaaga ka dhiibo.
Xildiiid wrote:Everyone knows that those elections were bogus and fake.
Compared to your example.. Majeerteen got more MP's from Bay and Bakool in those same elections, can you argue that they outnumber Raxanweyn or that Bay and Bakool is MJ gobols?
Jamaame district is Biimaal and will always be Biimaal territory. I hope they secure their areas in Jilib district as well.
Drop this sht,jubba is majority ogaden with minorities,there are less 20 families of biyamaal and they are refugees from ethiopia,stop inflating thier numbers and influence,as hawiye and abgaal i support this initiative,absame will rule this region with other minorities.
orod oo jaadka inoo keen.
Plus strong jubbaland is strong somalia,it will shabab dogs(which you clap for ) at bay and make somalia strong and secure.
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SamaneAxmad wrote:
lol if Bahgeri are sheegato, Baahale oo dhan waa sheegato
Indha adkaa bahgeri was made by the Sayid kuye
U misunderstood....the prof said BG existed as four seperate qabiils but the sayid united them since they share the same mother. waa sida cowlyahan iyo Mz.. we know they share same mom but they are not united under one qabiil banner..each qabiil exist independently. Alliance was common before..just watch this video about the gashaanbuurta bahamagan. bahamagan were 9 seperate brotherly qabiils but were united by quman bulxan yusuf. https://youtu.be/Z7GHPzcuBGs?t=10
..Zumaale is a nice brother.
I will watch in my free time.