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Nice try but I don't see any relation between the two pics.X.Playa wrote:
The same group taking the bus
Again, these militant groups are the product of US interventionism and Western Colonialism. In fact, many of them were backed by the US just some decades ago just like the US today backs repressive, undemocratic regimes in the Middle East. Instead of worrying about a potential Islamic empire, why don't you address the actual Western destabilisation and colonisation of foreign lands which is at the root of all of these conflicts?NoAngst wrote:[
No one, least of all me, is faulting Muslims for fighting against injustice. I don't fault, for instance, Palestinians for resisting Israeli occupation of their land. But their struggle is nationalist struggle limited to freeing their land from usurpers. Islamists on the other hand are after global conquest and subjugation of all that stands before them. Hell, even Alshabaab threatened to fly the black flag over the Whitehouse. Calling for and dying for the reconstitution of the Caliphate has nothing to do with freeing your land and people.
This goes far beyond just Iraq. And why are you holding "the people of the Middle East" responsible for ISIS. You just agreed that ISIS was the product of the US invasion of Iraq.No need to acknowledge it because anyone with a half a brain knows the US intervention in Iraq is the original sin responsible for all this mess in the Middle East today. So, I completely agree that the US made a colossal blunder in invading Iraq. Where you and I differ is I'm steadfast against Jihadism and in particular the Caliphate. These are imperialistic yearnings not liberty or justice. I also consider the people of the Middle East as fully autonomous agents capable of making their own decisions and therefore accountable for their actions. So, I will hold them accountable for when they blow up mourners at funeral or worshipers in a mosque.
This is why you're such a hypocrite. The US has killed far more innocent people than ISIS. Many of them in countries against which the US had not even declared war. Do you know that in some of these countries (Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia etc.), any male above the age of 16 is considered as a "combatant" and thus "fair game" for drone attacks?There's no moral equivalency between US bombings of military targets and Islamists deliberately massacring civilians. The US at least takes steps to avoid and minimize civilian casualties. What does ISIS do?
thelucky1 wrote:Nice try but I don't see any relation between the two pics.X.Playa wrote:
The same group taking the bus
What makes a hijab wearing Allah fearing women trashy?
Are you not a man? What is it your business what a female chooses to wear on her body? Would you like to recommend styles and colours for women?!X.Playa wrote:The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
Macarons wrote:Are you not a man? What is it your business what a female chooses to wear on her body? Would you like to recommend styles and colours for women?!X.Playa wrote:The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
Your cheapshots on women's attire says otherwise.X.Playa wrote:Macarons wrote:Are you not a man? What is it your business what a female chooses to wear on her body? Would you like to recommend styles and colours for women?!X.Playa wrote:The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
cheap shot , its you and your religion that cares what women wear not me.
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You use ad-hominems frequently for self-affirmation like ''Confused as usual'''. If you cannot hold any intellectual debates, where you are tolerant to disagreements and showed them inform of respectable informed arguments, then it is totally understandable and we will stop here.NoAngst wrote: What a ridiculous red herring: who did I attack? Or do you think labeling a political movement "Islamist" is an ad-hominem attack?
Islamism is Islamic political movement that promotes theocratic dictatorship. Islamists want to re-institute the Caliphate and with it will witness the rolling back of all the civil and human rights progress mankind has made in the last few hundred years.
The world is doing Muslims a favour by distinguish Islam as practiced by the average from Islamism.
Never insinuated that you did mention anything about you saying Islam was invading the west. i was responding to this:Nice attack but up the wrong hill kiddo!
No where in my post did I say anything about Islam invading the West. Muslims would first have to conquer poverty, illiteracy, mass unemployment, misogyny, ignorance and the likes before being in a position to conquer the West.
And what in the frigging world are you on about? Alshabaab is peaceful opposition group?I must have missed where blowing up your own people all the while screaming Allahu Akbar entailed self-determination. Alshabaab want to implement Sharia and have pledged allegiance to Al Baghdadi and his Caliphate nonsense. Who elected Alshabaab? Who said Somalis want Sharia or want to be part of Caliphate?
You clearly have imbibed way too much radical left talking points. But let me give a little advice that I got from Noam Chomsky: the role of the social critic is to hold HIS OWN SOCIETY accountable. Your role, assuming you see yourself as a critic or skeptic, is to hold your people both Muslims and Somalis accountable. Stop criticizing the West. That's for the Westerners. Charity begins at home.
Now how do rationalize such statements. Since islam there is no Muslim agenda or conquest of the west where is this resistance coming from.? Considering how UK, North America, several other supporting nation invade, bomb attack and deny Muslims the right to self-determine.NoAngst wrote: There's a resurgence of Islamism (Al qaacida, ISIS, Alshabaab, Boko Haram, etc.) cascading across the globe and equally resurgent resistance to Islamism. You're confusing opposition to Islamism and bigotry of Islamophobia which is unpleasant reality.
Again with the ad-hominems ,'' lost your marbles comfort of some liberal wester nation''. Are you incapable of handling disagreements without self affirmative character attacks? it only shows how immature you are and cannot tolerate reasonable intellectual debate. If you keep that up i see no point in furthering this discussion.You clearly have lost your marbles if you are now arguing (probably from the comfort of some liberal Western nation) that the child raping outfit Boko Haram is some kind of progressive social movement seeking justice for the oppressed. The current president of Nigeria IS from the North. A Muslim is the president of Nigeria and yet you have Boko Haram kidnapping and raping young girls in the of Islam?
And you're a liar when you say the West imposes education on Africans. Nigeria, for example, is fully independent state and has full control of its own curriculum. Boko Haram is an Islamist movement, and like all Islamists be it Alshabaab, Alqaacida, Taliban, ISIS, etc., they're against secular education. They see secular education as a threat to their unearned ideological monopoly over the masses.
When we look deep into recent history we can map a dyadic relationship between Western encrouchment and the rise of militant Islam. (Iran, Egypt, Saudi, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Mali, Somalia, etc)
Always bear in mind that the people are not fighting for ideas, for the things in anyone's head. They are fighting to win material benefits, to live better and in peace, to see their lives go forward, to guarantee the future of their children
Amilcar Cabral
So let me get this straight when the U.S forces in 1992 invasion killed almost 200 Sultans and elders who gathered to broker peace in Xamar, across ALL QABILS. It was our fault? we asked them to do it?NoAngst wrote:Dude, you do you know that this is Somali site, right?TheMightyNomad wrote:Are these two really serious @NoAngst and @SahanGalbeed ?
Listen , You cannot expect to; marginalize people, persecute them, prod and poke at them for their religious lifestyle and then complain when they retaliate: No free human being sits quiet while their rights to their own land, resources and lifestyle are infringed upon. People with any form of identity (ethnic and/or religious) will resist by all means, anything which tries to challenge self.
It ironic how It becomes just "self-defense" or "Peace mission" when they engage in war to secure a border, or to protect oil interest in the Gulf. But when the opposing force fights back, for all the same reasons, it becomes a "morally reprehensible" religious jihad. So Muslims (as a religious group) are demonized for resisting the campaigns of the global imperialist and their henchmen.
We destroyed our country and we did it with alacrity. And we continue to destroy. Son, what in the fukking world are you on about above? Who persecuted or marginalized Somalis?