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X.Playa wrote:Image

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Nice try but I don't see any relation between the two pics.
What makes a hijab wearing Allah fearing women trashy?
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not a fan of arabs and arab culture as it is today especially gulf arabs, but i also understand some people use arab bashing to insult diinta.
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NoAngst wrote:[

No one, least of all me, is faulting Muslims for fighting against injustice. I don't fault, for instance, Palestinians for resisting Israeli occupation of their land. But their struggle is nationalist struggle limited to freeing their land from usurpers. Islamists on the other hand are after global conquest and subjugation of all that stands before them. Hell, even Alshabaab threatened to fly the black flag over the Whitehouse. Calling for and dying for the reconstitution of the Caliphate has nothing to do with freeing your land and people.
Again, these militant groups are the product of US interventionism and Western Colonialism. In fact, many of them were backed by the US just some decades ago just like the US today backs repressive, undemocratic regimes in the Middle East. Instead of worrying about a potential Islamic empire, why don't you address the actual Western destabilisation and colonisation of foreign lands which is at the root of all of these conflicts?

You want to whine about the potentiality of these small rag-tag militias conquering the White House and in the same breath you're minimising the disastrous impact that the current global Western Empire has had on the world :lol:

If the premise of your argument is that it is bad for any group to desire to dominate another group, then your biggest priority should be removing the actual oppression that's going on instead of worrying about what could potentially happen in the future.

No need to acknowledge it because anyone with a half a brain knows the US intervention in Iraq is the original sin responsible for all this mess in the Middle East today. So, I completely agree that the US made a colossal blunder in invading Iraq. Where you and I differ is I'm steadfast against Jihadism and in particular the Caliphate. These are imperialistic yearnings not liberty or justice. I also consider the people of the Middle East as fully autonomous agents capable of making their own decisions and therefore accountable for their actions. So, I will hold them accountable for when they blow up mourners at funeral or worshipers in a mosque.
This goes far beyond just Iraq. And why are you holding "the people of the Middle East" responsible for ISIS. You just agreed that ISIS was the product of the US invasion of Iraq.

The US has killed far more people than ISIS - innocent people, mind you.
There's no moral equivalency between US bombings of military targets and Islamists deliberately massacring civilians. The US at least takes steps to avoid and minimize civilian casualties. What does ISIS do?
This is why you're such a hypocrite. The US has killed far more innocent people than ISIS. Many of them in countries against which the US had not even declared war. Do you know that in some of these countries (Yemen, Pakistan, Somalia etc.), any male above the age of 16 is considered as a "combatant" and thus "fair game" for drone attacks?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arc ... ts/257749/

Do you know the meaning of a "signature strike"?

"Signature strikes, a key aspect for years of what the administration likes to call its “targeted killing” program, permit the CIA and JSOC to kill without requiring them to know who they kill.

The “signatures” at issue are indicators that intelligence analysts associate with terrorist behavior – in practice, a gathering of men, teenaged to middle-aged, traveling in convoys or carrying weapons. In 2012, an unnamed senior official memorably quipped that the CIA considers “three guys doing jumping jacks” a signature of terrorist training."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... re-strikes

If your entire block was blown to pieces and your family killed because some 16-year old kid was considered a potential suspect and thus a target for assassination, I am sure that you would think of this as an immoral act. You would not be referring to your own family as "collateral damage". Instead you justify these acts of barbarity because you consider the US government to be inherently moral and good (despite all the evidence which points to the contrary) while you consider these Jihadis to be inherently immoral and evil.

I am no fan of ISIS and hate them with a passion, but the hypocrisy of you liberal gaalo is just astounding..
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thelucky1 wrote:
X.Playa wrote:Image

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Nice try but I don't see any relation between the two pics.
What makes a hijab wearing Allah fearing women trashy?

Wallahi this guy is such a degenerate. He routinely dehumanises and degrades Muslim women (especially Somali women), yet he constantly whines that Somalis do not accept him and his kaafir buddies into the fold.

The funny thing is that since he is Somali, it is very likely that some of his own female family members wear jilbabs. I guess they are all trashbags according to him.
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The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
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X.Playa wrote:The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
Are you not a man? What is it your business what a female chooses to wear on her body? Would you like to recommend styles and colours for women?!
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Macarons wrote:
X.Playa wrote:The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
Are you not a man? What is it your business what a female chooses to wear on her body? Would you like to recommend styles and colours for women?!

cheap shot , its you and your religion that cares what women wear not me.
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X.Playa wrote:
Macarons wrote:
X.Playa wrote:The resemblance is obvious , between a garbage bag and what the Arabs call " cabaaya" expect no mercy from the rest of humanity because you and your faith dispense non.
Are you not a man? What is it your business what a female chooses to wear on her body? Would you like to recommend styles and colours for women?!

cheap shot , its you and your religion that cares what women wear not me.
Your cheapshots on women's attire says otherwise.
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doesn't your religion regulates the kastuumo of women?
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No.
You need to find yourself a real job, a career as a stylist for women won't do. Goodbye.
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NoAngst wrote: What a ridiculous red herring: who did I attack? Or do you think labeling a political movement "Islamist" is an ad-hominem attack?

Islamism is Islamic political movement that promotes theocratic dictatorship. Islamists want to re-institute the Caliphate and with it will witness the rolling back of all the civil and human rights progress mankind has made in the last few hundred years.

The world is doing Muslims a favour by distinguish Islam as practiced by the average from Islamism.
You use ad-hominems frequently for self-affirmation like ''Confused as usual'''. If you cannot hold any intellectual debates, where you are tolerant to disagreements and showed them inform of respectable informed arguments, then it is totally understandable and we will stop here.

Let me ask you this why don't you or others call Zionism judaists or judaism, why don't you call Christian righwing terrorists Christianists or Christianism? You don't see the that you are affirming my point that ''Islamists'' or ''Islamism'' is a false neologism create by US foreign policy.

Don't you see this dishonesty in attaching "Radical," or ''Islamist on Muslim who wants to be ruled by a Islamic system-- as opposed to a Western one-- Extremist. Extremist is a relative term it holds no value other than political propaganda.

There is nothing wrong with Muslims wanting to form their own governmental systems, live in their own image and values. It is basic human rights for them to self determine.
Islam does not promote either democracy or dictatorship ,clearly. There are muslim countries with are democratic just as they are muslim countries that theocratic, nothing to do with islam just different usage of political systems. Islam is like any religion, it has lifestyle for the invidual and laws that govern the muslim community, might i add these rules or laws do not apply to non-muslims.

Let us be honest, America has an air tight campaign of hegemony. It first neutralizes you with the media, it then demonizes any ideological forms of rebellion by labelling such ideas as Islamist, it then has the right to war, but no one has the right to defend, it has the right to nuclear weapons but no one else can use them. The right to take your oil, the right to force you to trade, the right to cross your borders at will, and the right to make propaganda films to justify all of the above.

Nice attack but up the wrong hill kiddo!

No where in my post did I say anything about Islam invading the West. Muslims would first have to conquer poverty, illiteracy, mass unemployment, misogyny, ignorance and the likes before being in a position to conquer the West.

And what in the frigging world are you on about? Alshabaab is peaceful opposition group? :lol: I must have missed where blowing up your own people all the while screaming Allahu Akbar entailed self-determination. Alshabaab want to implement Sharia and have pledged allegiance to Al Baghdadi and his Caliphate nonsense. Who elected Alshabaab? Who said Somalis want Sharia or want to be part of Caliphate?

You clearly have imbibed way too much radical left talking points. But let me give a little advice that I got from Noam Chomsky: the role of the social critic is to hold HIS OWN SOCIETY accountable. Your role, assuming you see yourself as a critic or skeptic, is to hold your people both Muslims and Somalis accountable. Stop criticizing the West. That's for the Westerners. Charity begins at home.
Never insinuated that you did mention anything about you saying Islam was invading the west. i was responding to this:
NoAngst wrote: There's a resurgence of Islamism (Al qaacida, ISIS, Alshabaab, Boko Haram, etc.) cascading across the globe and equally resurgent resistance to Islamism. You're confusing opposition to Islamism and bigotry of Islamophobia which is unpleasant reality.
Now how do rationalize such statements. Since islam there is no Muslim agenda or conquest of the west where is this resistance coming from.? Considering how UK, North America, several other supporting nation invade, bomb attack and deny Muslims the right to self-determine.

How many non-combatant Westerners have these "terrorist" killed in post 9/11 - now? So what is Obama "defending" his nation against? He is really defending his nation's imperialist interest:

There is a correlation between people like you fear mongering, demonizing Islam and islamophobia. You know the hatred and fear for Muslims, people who practice and express the Faith in their names, costumes looks and geographical phenotype. I find it funny how you contrast Islam and Muslims as if they are distinct from one another. That any vitriol can be labeled as criticism towards Islam and somehow this is inconsequential to those who practice the faith.

Who is to say i don't hold my own society accountable, i am not sympathetic to Alshabaabs crimes on innocent civilians i find it totally reprehensible and immoral, but i am sympathetic to their background.. So-called terrorist are people who have been denied a forum for redress their grievances and in that vacuum, overwhelmed by inequity they take extreme methods. To break the yoke of apartheid terrorism was a vital tool.

Are we forgetting how Alshabaab came to be? They came as a result of the United State supporting the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia. Breaking up the peaceful ISlamic courts union who brought security and stability during their 6th month rule, which they have never been able to replicate. Alshabaab from the get go has been about Somali Self-determination that has been continuously denied of us and yes Somalia want Sharia and heck we are Muslims why wouldn't we, Just look at Islamic courts rule as an example how happe we were . Alshabaab is an internal factor , The international community is an external one both factor in to the issue.

IF you are going to quote chomsky why stop there? He also said ''The West response to terrorism is hypocritical'' and ''United States is a terrorist state'''

What is loosely, nebulous, hypocritically, termed the war on terror™ is a Western response to a failure of convention treatment to resistance stemming from “religious” fervor.

You clearly have lost your marbles if you are now arguing (probably from the comfort of some liberal Western nation) that the child raping outfit Boko Haram is some kind of progressive social movement seeking justice for the oppressed. The current president of Nigeria IS from the North. A Muslim is the president of Nigeria and yet you have Boko Haram kidnapping and raping young girls in the of Islam?

And you're a liar when you say the West imposes education on Africans. Nigeria, for example, is fully independent state and has full control of its own curriculum. Boko Haram is an Islamist movement, and like all Islamists be it Alshabaab, Alqaacida, Taliban, ISIS, etc., they're against secular education. They see secular education as a threat to their unearned ideological monopoly over the masses.
Again with the ad-hominems ,'' lost your marbles comfort of some liberal wester nation''. Are you incapable of handling disagreements without self affirmative character attacks? it only shows how immature you are and cannot tolerate reasonable intellectual debate. If you keep that up i see no point in furthering this discussion.

I've never said that the west imposes education on African or Nigera. That is a misrepresentation, i am saying Boko Haram's grievances stems from their Government who allows for western neo-colonialism in supplying western educational material, aid,etc. Western mis-education is very extreme for Africans. So restoring their center cannot be extremist.

Lastly i do no support or excuse the crimes commited by Alshabaab. Mythical fairy Alqaeda or any other organization. while most find the act of terrorism morally reprehensible when it targets innocent non-combatants. This is the aspect which becomes reprehensible, the single act of targeting innocent civilians. Apart from this, terrorism is just another type of ugly and heinous warfare, which mankind seems not to be able to evolve out of. But the old canard of the random crazy terrorist is not a serious assessments— just a better way to continuing denying the merit and agent of certain grievances. Especially when those grievances are the results of US foreign policy and admitting that would make America liable. Terrorist, if anything, are not random, cowards, or illogical.

A coward is someone who flies a nuclear bomb high in the sky and drops it on women and children at zero risk to himself. A coward gets 7 nations to attack one 3rd world country. A coward hides behind White House walls while sending the poor to Vietnam to die. Terrorist, just like the crying of a baby— creates a desired effect.

The motives for terrorism always come back to entitlement and especially inequity. As Cabral said no one is fighting for the ideas in your head. So-called terrorist are people who have been denied a forum for redress their grievances and in that vacuum, overwhelmed by inequity they take extreme methods. To break the yoke of apartheid terrorism was a vital tool,
When we look deep into recent history we can map a dyadic relationship between Western encrouchment and the rise of militant Islam. (Iran, Egypt, Saudi, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Mali, Somalia, etc)

Always bear in mind that the people are not fighting for ideas, for the things in anyone's head. They are fighting to win material benefits, to live better and in peace, to see their lives go forward, to guarantee the future of their children


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NoAngst wrote:
TheMightyNomad wrote:Are these two really serious @NoAngst and @SahanGalbeed ?

Listen , You cannot expect to; marginalize people, persecute them, prod and poke at them for their religious lifestyle and then complain when they retaliate: No free human being sits quiet while their rights to their own land, resources and lifestyle are infringed upon. People with any form of identity (ethnic and/or religious) will resist by all means, anything which tries to challenge self.

It ironic how It becomes just "self-defense" or "Peace mission" when they engage in war to secure a border, or to protect oil interest in the Gulf. But when the opposing force fights back, for all the same reasons, it becomes a "morally reprehensible" religious jihad. So Muslims (as a religious group) are demonized for resisting the campaigns of the global imperialist and their henchmen.
Dude, you do you know that this is Somali site, right?

We destroyed our country and we did it with alacrity. And we continue to destroy. Son, what in the fukking world are you on about above? Who persecuted or marginalized Somalis?
So let me get this straight when the U.S forces in 1992 invasion killed almost 200 Sultans and elders who gathered to broker peace in Xamar, across ALL QABILS. It was our fault? we asked them to do it?

From the New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/books/99/03/14/ ... nnegt.html

"The hunt for Aidid was a fiasco. In July helicopters under United Nations command fired high-explosive TOW missiles into a house where a meeting of Habr Gidr clan elders was being held. There were 250 casualties, including 54 dead, according to the International Committee of the Red Cross. Four Western journalists who rushed to the scene were also killed, by a furious mob. ''The journalists' deaths focused worldwide anger on the Somalis,'' Bowden writes, ''but in Mogadishu the shock and outrage was over the surprise attack.'' This was not the only massacre perpetrated from the air. Aidid, defiant and uncaptured, became a folk hero, and the United Nations, particularly its helicopters, became widely hated in Mogadishu."

From the Wall Street Journal

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2002/02/hawk-f19.html

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Even before October 3 the US military were casually brutal about the number of dead and injured among the Somalis, whom they referred to contemptuously as “Sammys” or “Skinnies.” They regularly lobbed mortar shells into the city from the UN compound. They hit hospitals and homes killing an unknown number of civilians. No attempt was even made to count the number of casualties when troops opened fire on crowds.

The single action that did more than any other to cement Somali hostility and to unite the different clan factions in Mogadishu against the Americans was the massacre of a meeting of Habr Gedir clan elders on July 12, 1993. They had convened their meeting to discuss peace proposals Admiral Howe had put to them the previous day. Cobra gunships armed with TOW missiles and 20 mm cannons attacked the house, with ground troops finishing off the wounded."


So when they US broke the order of natural succession as well as ruined the meeting between clan leaders discussing peace resolution by massacring them in their homes. That was all our fault to?


and Also when the US sent Ethiopian troops to disband the Government that brought us peace security and prosperity. That was also our fault/

How US forged an alliance with Ethiopia over Invasion
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ethiopia-h ... frica/4446

The Speaker of Somalia’s interim parliament has criticized Ethiopia’s military intervention in Somalia, saying that Ethiopian troops cannot bring peace to areas formerly ruled by the Islamic Courts movement.
“I believe that the security created by the [Islamic] Courts during their 6-month rule cannot be recreated by Ethiopian troops, even if they stay in Somalia for another 6 years,” Speaker Sharif said.

The Speaker also criticized the role of the U.S. government in the ongoing Somali crisis: “America recently bombed civilians but said they were bombing ‘terrorists’…where are the terrorists?”

Speaker Sharif said the U.S. government wrongfully believes any Muslim with a long beard is an al-Qaeda terrorist or suspect, and appealed to the American government to stop bombarding innocent Somali civilians.


This was was also our fault? When American and Ethiopians attacked a self formed independent Somali government that created peace,trade and security during a 6th month stretch dubbed ''Golden Age'' by the UN? The invasion by the United States and Ethiopia which led to the formation of Alshabaab was our fault?

And are you also saying all the constant hate crimes Somalis receive and experience in the western world for being muslims and Racialy Somali is something we asked for? It is our fault that we get publicly daily abuse and hate?

Somali experience of hate crime in the UK
http://www.councilofsomaliorgs.com/site ... _-_CSO.pdf
. Prevalence of hate crime against Somalis
15. Not a single interviewee was untouched by hate crime. Most interviewees
have suffered multiple incidents and see hate crime as a ‘normal’ part of
being a minority in the UK.
16. There are no reliable national statistics on hate crime against Somalis, as the
police record them under the larger category ‘Black African’.
17. Our interviews show that hate crime is suffered by most UK Somalis on a
regular, even daily, basis. Incidents include verbal abuse, assaults, being spat
at, being attacked with objects, death threats, hostile looks, damage to
property, arson, and racist ‘jokes’. Younger interviewees have also
experienced or witnessed online hate crime.
18. Hate crime occurs around homes, workplaces, on public transport, in parks
and shops, at bus stops and on streets and on social media. In Bristol, over a
third of incidents occur in/around victims’ homesv
.
19. Some examples of hate crime suffered by Somalis:
a. Shamso Ahmed was confronted by a white man as she walked home
with her young son. The man removed his shoes and hit her with
them, shouting racist abuse and threatening to kill her. In a separate
incident, someone threw a brick at Shamso’s elderly mother.
b. Abdirachid Fidow was approached by an aggressive white man on a
train, who asked ‘Are you going to blow yourself up?’ Fellow
passengers confronted the perpetrator and supported the victim.
c. Khadra Warsame was spat at outside her home by a group of boys
who set their dogs on her and her 8-month old daughter while
shouting, ‘Go back to your country, you f-king Somali.’


When Somali mosques get burned down 3 times in the west and get vandalized it is all our fault as well?
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