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PrinceNugaalHawd wrote:
theyuusuf143 wrote:Habar awal is wealthier, and more resilient than dhuloos. Their territory is currently more valuable than all dhuloos territories combined.

They got

The biggest port in the country
The biggest city in the country
The biggest farmland in the country
The biggest commercial zone in the country
The richest people in the country plus Offshore and onshore minerals in their territory . They also got huge diaspora community. Dhuloos got some geel bes kkk
Dhulos got oil on their territory, the most important export commodity for Somalis more Geel. We have a huge diaspora. The awals were helped by the Hargaysa and Berbera ports used by millions built by governments from the colonial to the civil and military. I don't envy them good luck to them.
That oil would belong to Somaliland not Dhulos if there is any oil to begin with,which I highly doubt :)
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Ben Dover wrote:
OD, I have heard that before, Arab being maternal uncles to Dhulos, but it just does not make sense given the lineage.
They are makings things up on the spot.
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Ben Dover wrote:Prince, I am pretty sure a typical Darod counts 28-30 to Darod. Regardless though, my point stands. You count 18 to Dhulbahante whereas Siilanyo counts 17 to Isaaq!

OD, I have heard that before, Arab being maternal uncles to Dhulos, but it just does not make sense given the lineage.
The point walaal is most isaaqs don't count 17 to Isaaq. I can find Dhulos who count the same to Darood. 20-23 is Majority Dhulos and Absame (who are the biggest Darood subclan) Absame & Dhulbahante alone could be 55% of Darood.
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Sahibzada wrote:
PrinceNugaalHawd wrote:
theyuusuf143 wrote:Habar awal is wealthier, and more resilient than dhuloos. Their territory is currently more valuable than all dhuloos territories combined.

They got

The biggest port in the country
The biggest city in the country
The biggest farmland in the country
The biggest commercial zone in the country
The richest people in the country plus Offshore and onshore minerals in their territory . They also got huge diaspora community. Dhuloos got some geel bes kkk
Dhulos got oil on their territory, the most important export commodity for Somalis more Geel. We have a huge diaspora. The awals were helped by the Hargaysa and Berbera ports used by millions built by governments from the colonial to the civil and military. I don't envy them good luck to them.
That oil would belong to Somaliland not Dhulos if there is any oil to begin with,which I highly doubt :)
Without my consent not an a drop is coming out, u better stick to your farm. :troll:
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Ben Dover

There is no difference between me and the abtirsi of todays sultan of the reer Diiriye Sugulle.

Sultan cismaan cali madar xirsi diiriye sugulle ceynaashe xirsi cismaan xildiid Maxamed Aadan cumar cabdalle Ismaaciil Care siciid Garxajis isxaaq. And Siilaanyo been older relatively to sultan Cismaan comes the 17 on less generation all isaaqs who are about the same age count + or - 1 or 2 at most. But when it comes to dhulbahante and ogaden their average to daarood is 21 to 23 The Mareexaan, majeerteen and warsangali count more then 30 an issue we have discussed a decade ago which means mathamathically they can't be of the same decent.

18 total yet the they are the landheere of the h.y. most people confuse the length of the trunk of the tree the topical abtirsi to isaaq or daarood with the branch or laan. The reer ceynaashe are landheere but they count the same to Sheekh isxaaq.

Laandheere in the sense of huge branching out. Xirsi cismaan had 8 sons, caynaashe had 17 nand sugulle had had 8 , his son diiriye had 18 and his son Amaan had 11, Amaans sons xirsi and Ismaaciil had each at least 10 and so forth.

You see the point.
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And you stick to starving you PeasentOfNugaal :)
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Sahibzada wrote:And you stick to starving you PeasentOfNugaal :)
Wasn't it last year Gabilay was starving? All your cows lost, no water, Draught stricken don't act like you live in a paradise.
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PrinceNugaalHawd wrote:
Sahibzada wrote:And you stick to starving you PeasentOfNugaal :)
Wasn't it last year Gabilay was starving? All your cows lost, no water, Draught stricken don't act like you live in a paradise.
We regularly receive rains...the same cannot be said in your barren post apocalyptic wasteland called eastern Sool :)
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^^You must be referring to the golden kind. :)
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PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: The point walaal is most isaaqs don't count 17 to Isaaq. I can find Dhulos who count the same to Darood. 20-23 is Majority Dhulos and Absame (who are the biggest Darood subclan) Absame & Dhulbahante alone could be 55% of Darood.
Prince, Siilanyo's 17 is not atypical, I would say the majority are in the 17-19 range. I believe you count what you said to Darod and Dhulbahante respectively but the question is if that is the norm or an outlier. A cursory look at the forums of the cadaan guy's Abtirsi site would show you what might be considered the norm for both clans. The 30 names range for Daroods is prevalent it seems.
X.Playa wrote:Ben Dover

There is no difference between me and the abtirsi of todays sultan of the reer Diiriye Sugulle.

Sultan cismaan cali madar xirsi diiriye sugulle ceynaashe xirsi cismaan xildiid Maxamed Aadan cumar cabdalle Ismaaciil Care siciid Garxajis isxaaq. And Siilaanyo been older relatively to sultan Cismaan comes the 17 on less generation all isaaqs who are about the same age count + or - 1 or 2 at most. But when it comes to dhulbahante and ogaden their average to daarood is 21 to 23 The Mareexaan, majeerteen and warsangali count more then 30 an issue we have discussed a decade ago which means mathamathically they can't be of the same decent.

18 total yet the they are the landheere of the h.y. most people confuse the length of the trunk of the tree the topical abtirsi to isaaq or daarood with the branch or laan. The reer ceynaashe are landheere but they count the same to Sheekh isxaaq.

Laandheere in the sense of huge branching out. Xirsi cismaan had 8 sons, caynaashe had 17 nand sugulle had had 8 , his son diiriye had 18 and his son Amaan had 11, Amaans sons xirsi and Ismaaciil had each at least 10 and so forth.

You see the point.
Xplaya,

I see your point. I am aware of the long branches being descriptive of the branches rather than the trunk. My main issue with comparing Dhulbahante and Sacad Muse is that of timeframe. Both could be counting 5 names to the originator but if Isaaq himself was a contemporary of Dhulbahante then the point is rendered moot.
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Ben Dover wrote:
PrinceNugaalHawd wrote: The point walaal is most isaaqs don't count 17 to Isaaq. I can find Dhulos who count the same to Darood. 20-23 is Majority Dhulos and Absame (who are the biggest Darood subclan) Absame & Dhulbahante alone could be 55% of Darood.
Prince, Siilanyo's 17 is not atypical, I would say the majority are in the 17-19 range. I believe you count what you said to Darod and Dhulbahante respectively but the question is if that is the norm or an outlier. A cursory look at the forums of the cadaan guy's Abtirsi site would show you what might be considered the norm for both clans. The 30 names range for Daroods is prevalent it seems.
X.Playa wrote:Ben Dover

There is no difference between me and the abtirsi of todays sultan of the reer Diiriye Sugulle.

Sultan cismaan cali madar xirsi diiriye sugulle ceynaashe xirsi cismaan xildiid Maxamed Aadan cumar cabdalle Ismaaciil Care siciid Garxajis isxaaq. And Siilaanyo been older relatively to sultan Cismaan comes the 17 on less generation all isaaqs who are about the same age count + or - 1 or 2 at most. But when it comes to dhulbahante and ogaden their average to daarood is 21 to 23 The Mareexaan, majeerteen and warsangali count more then 30 an issue we have discussed a decade ago which means mathamathically they can't be of the same decent.

18 total yet the they are the landheere of the h.y. most people confuse the length of the trunk of the tree the topical abtirsi to isaaq or daarood with the branch or laan. The reer ceynaashe are landheere but they count the same to Sheekh isxaaq.

Laandheere in the sense of huge branching out. Xirsi cismaan had 8 sons, caynaashe had 17 nand sugulle had had 8 , his son diiriye had 18 and his son Amaan had 11, Amaans sons xirsi and Ismaaciil had each at least 10 and so forth.

You see the point.
Xplaya,

I see your point. I am aware of the long branches being descriptive of the branches rather than the trunk. My main issue with comparing Dhulbahante and Sacad Muse is that of timeframe. Both could be counting 5 names to the originator but if Isaaq himself was a contemporary of Dhulbahante then the point is rendered moot.

No one really knows, but I would say Darood & Isaaq are of the same Generation.
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The problem is the Daarood genealogy is a confusing mess. The Daarood claim they are the decendant of Daarood ( Cabdiraxman) Ismaaciil Jabarti. The father Ismaaciil Jabarti the Yemeni mullah according to his biography died in 1404 A.D. a century after Sheekh isxaaq. Yet they count a crazy numbers of generation to his supposed son Cabdiraxmaan aka Daarood ( historically Ismaaciil had no son called Cabdiraxmaan never mind Daarood).

so once you have this crazy premises you can't compare anything to Sheekh isxaaq. Sheekh isxaaq lived long ago before Ismaaciil Jabarti yet they count wild numbers to a man who was almost a contemporary of Amxed Gurey's father.

We can date Ismaaciil Jabarti and Sheekh isxaaq both have their own biographies. The problem is this man Daarood is not historical. If I eloberate further in todays Daarood shrine in Haylaan constructed by Afweyne in the 1980s, in the entrance of the shrine it says in Arabic " her rests the God known man Sheekh daarood Ismaaciil jabarti deceased 900 A.d.

So the father ismaaciil died some 500 years later before his son and visa versa. :notsure:
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X.Playa wrote:Ben Dover

There is no difference between me and the abtirsi of todays sultan of the reer Diiriye Sugulle.

Sultan cismaan cali madar xirsi diiriye sugulle ceynaashe xirsi cismaan xildiid Maxamed Aadan cumar cabdalle Ismaaciil Care siciid Garxajis isxaaq. And Siilaanyo been older relatively to sultan Cismaan comes the 17 on less generation all isaaqs who are about the same age count + or - 1 or 2 at most. But when it comes to dhulbahante and ogaden their average to daarood is 21 to 23 The Mareexaan, majeerteen and warsangali count more then 30 an issue we have discussed a decade ago which means mathamathically they can't be of the same decent.

18 total yet the they are the landheere of the h.y. most people confuse the length of the trunk of the tree the topical abtirsi to isaaq or daarood with the branch or laan. The reer ceynaashe are landheere but they count the same to Sheekh isxaaq.

Laandheere in the sense of huge branching out. Xirsi cismaan had 8 sons, caynaashe had 17 nand sugulle had had 8 , his son diiriye had 18 and his son Amaan had 11, Amaans sons xirsi and Ismaaciil had each at least 10 and so forth.

You see the point.
In the Majerteen abtiris they tend to add names, like Amanleh Koombe which no other Harti or Geeri count. Which would make their abtiris I longer and make you question did they also add names to their own line to make it longer.

The Majerteen, Marexaan, Warsangeli, Leelkase some count 30 or so. I would say they most likely had children at younger age.

Maybe 15 yrs old, by 30 he would be a grand father, 45 he would be a great grand father, 65 a g g grand father etc

Og, Dhulos, 30 father, 60 grand father etc

This could also be an affect.
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X.Playa wrote:The problem is the Daarood genealogy is a confusing mess. The Daarood claim they are the decendant of Daarood ( Cabdiraxman) Ismaaciil Jabarti. The father Ismaaciil Jabarti the Yemeni mullah according to his biography died in 1404 A.D. a century after Sheekh isxaaq. Yet they count a crazy numbers of generation to his supposed son Cabdiraxmaan aka Daarood ( historically Ismaaciil had no son called Cabdiraxmaan never mind Daarood).

so once you have this crazy premises you can't compare anything to Sheekh isxaaq. Sheekh isxaaq lived long ago before Ismaaciil Jabarti yet they count wild numbers to a man who was almost a contemporary of Amxed Gurey's father.

We can date Ismaaciil Jabarti and Sheekh isxaaq both have their own biographies. The problem is this man Daarood is not historical. If I eloberate further in todays Daarood shrine in Haylaan constructed by Afweyne in the 1980s, in the entrance of the shrine it says in Arabic " her rests the God known man Sheekh daarood Ismaaciil jabarti deceased 900 A.d.

So the father ismaaciil died some 500 years later before his son and visa versa. :notsure:
I don't think the Kacaan would know when Daroods father was born.

And there are many Jabartis not one Darood could be descended from one of them.

DNA has also proven you Isaaq are not Arab so how can you claim sheikh Isxaaq? Lol

Most likely only Sub sub sub clans are related not All Darood or Isaaq are related and we are all Africans majority.

Isaaq is a confederacy and used to be part of a confederacy Dir.

Hawiye is a confederacy

So is Darood, where are the DNA experts?

Just like the Raxaweyn & Digil & Mirifle confederacy.

We should all take the dNA test to see.
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