Somalia ‘plans to file legal complaint against UAE’ over Somaliland base

[skywalker25]

The UAE is so desperate.

Somaliland could have gotten a better deal. More development like building of roads and infrastructure. They should have invited the Chinese.

SL is more desperate. I was listening to Cirro and Samatar on the BBC and they said a deal hasn't even been finalized. SL hopes that this bring them more legitimatacy and more development will follow. The only interest outside powers have ever shown in the north is Berbera. UAE will take the risk for their short term benefit. They believe Xamar will not be able to do anything atm and if they can in the future they will either leave or negotiate with Xamar.

Loool

Desperate is your government that's being kept alive on live support by the international community. Somaliland is not desperate. It has found a business opportunity with a willing partner to improve its position, both internally and externally. The UAE likewise sees a from committed willing business partner it can do business with. Granted a few spoilers exist in both Somaliland and outside Somaliland. However, the great majority of Somalilands people and even good natured Somalis understand, a new and improved berbera port is good for the horn in general. The SFG donor government, may or may not have a problem with Somaliland advancing its interests. That's not surprising as the have been unable to advance there own courses and only there pockets.

[SultanOrder]

The UAE is so desperate.

Somaliland could have gotten a better deal. More development like building of roads and infrastructure. They should have invited the Chinese.

SL is more desperate. I was listening to Cirro and Samatar on the BBC and they said a deal hasn't even been finalized. SL hopes that this bring them more legitimatacy and more development will follow. The only interest outside powers have ever shown in the north is Berbera. UAE will take the risk for their short term benefit. They believe Xamar will not be able to do anything atm and if they can in the future they will either leave or negotiate with Xamar.

Loool

Desperate is your government that's being kept alive on live support by the international community. Somaliland is not desperate. It has found a business opportunity with a willing partner to improve its position, both internally and externally. The UAE likewise sees a from committed willing business partner it can do business with. Granted a few spoilers exist in both Somaliland and outside Somaliland. However, the great majority of Somalilands people and even good natured Somalis understand, a new and improved berbera port is good for the horn in general. The SFG donor government, may or may not have a problem with Somaliland advancing its interests. That's not surprising as the have been unable to advance there own courses and only there pockets.

That's a nice bedtime story.

[26June1960]

SL is more desperate. I was listening to Cirro and Samatar on the BBC and they said a deal hasn't even been finalized. SL hopes that this bring them more legitimatacy and more development will follow. The only interest outside powers have ever shown in the north is Berbera. UAE will take the risk for their short term benefit. They believe Xamar will not be able to do anything atm and if they can in the future they will either leave or negotiate with Xamar.

Loool

Desperate is your government that's being kept alive on live support by the international community. Somaliland is not desperate. It has found a business opportunity with a willing partner to improve its position, both internally and externally. The UAE likewise sees a from committed willing business partner it can do business with. Granted a few spoilers exist in both Somaliland and outside Somaliland. However, the great majority of Somalilands people and even good natured Somalis understand, a new and improved berbera port is good for the horn in general. The SFG donor government, may or may not have a problem with Somaliland advancing its interests. That's not surprising as the have been unable to advance there own courses and only there pockets.

That's a nice bedtime story.

Duufle does make a solid point here, Sultan Orderoow.

[random1234567]

The UAE is so desperate.

Somaliland could have gotten a better deal. More development like building of roads and infrastructure. They should have invited the Chinese.

SL is more desperate. I was listening to Cirro and Samatar on the BBC and they said a deal hasn't even been finalized. SL hopes that this bring them more legitimatacy and more development will follow. The only interest outside powers have ever shown in the north is Berbera. UAE will take the risk for their short term benefit. They believe Xamar will not be able to do anything atm and if they can in the future they will either leave or negotiate with Xamar.

Loool

Desperate is your government that's being kept alive on live support by the international community. Somaliland is not desperate. It has found a business opportunity with a willing partner to improve its position, both internally and externally. The UAE likewise sees a from committed willing business partner it can do business with. Granted a few spoilers exist in both Somaliland and outside Somaliland. However, the great majority of Somalilands people and even good natured Somalis understand, a new and improved berbera port is good for the horn in general. The SFG donor government, may or may not have a problem with Somaliland advancing its interests. That's not surprising as the have been unable to advance there own courses and only there pockets.

It definitely isn't a good deal, and it definitely is desperate. Firstly, on your aid point, Somaliland is actually in need of aid. They get the most droughts in Somalia and are in a much worse situation. The violent areas in the South have a greater standard of living which actually says quite a lot. The UAE doesn't see a good partner, they see a semi autonomous state which is willing to accept any deal which looks as though it would grant them legitimacy and become recognised to any degree(a small one if any). The port is clearly gonna be Emirate owned with only a little bit of regional influence. Anyway, the UAE knows that this is temporary. When the capital stabilises, they'll have to deal with the actual government.

[skywalker25]

SL is more desperate. I was listening to Cirro and Samatar on the BBC and they said a deal hasn't even been finalized. SL hopes that this bring them more legitimatacy and more development will follow. The only interest outside powers have ever shown in the north is Berbera. UAE will take the risk for their short term benefit. They believe Xamar will not be able to do anything atm and if they can in the future they will either leave or negotiate with Xamar.

Loool

Desperate is your government that's being kept alive on live support by the international community. Somaliland is not desperate. It has found a business opportunity with a willing partner to improve its position, both internally and externally. The UAE likewise sees a from committed willing business partner it can do business with. Granted a few spoilers exist in both Somaliland and outside Somaliland. However, the great majority of Somalilands people and even good natured Somalis understand, a new and improved berbera port is good for the horn in general. The SFG donor government, may or may not have a problem with Somaliland advancing its interests. That's not surprising as the have been unable to advance there own courses and only there pockets.

It definitely isn't a good deal, and it definitely is desperate. Firstly, on your aid point, Somaliland is actually in need of aid. They get the most droughts in Somalia and are in a much worse situation. The violent areas in the South have a greater standard of living which actually says quite a lot. The UAE doesn't see a good partner, they see a semi autonomous state which is willing to accept any deal which looks as though it would grant them legitimacy and become recognised to any degree(a small one if any). The port is clearly gonna be Emirate owned with only a little bit of regional influence. Anyway, the UAE knows that this is temporary. When the capital stabilises, they'll have to deal with the actual government.

Again, you need to learn the difference between, a, your own personal wishes, and reality. Now, you can make stupendous claims by comparing a relatively poor, yet stable region, with some formal governance , to a conflict zone with no rule of law, routine killings, terrorism and half the 3rd worlds armies stationed in it. The reality however is the total opposite to your fantasy claims. The Hutu brain may find all this killings and conflict "grater standard of living" but to any normal human being, this is not a high standard of living. Lol

What's hurting your Hutu soul is that we have achieved everything by ourselves, whilst you are being treated like a mental patient by the international community. The UAE did not come to us like some Jesus like saviour as Erdogan did whilst visiting your refugee camps. He gave a hospital as charity and couldn't even trust you to run it. He took over your port because you Hutu chimps will loot the place at the first opportunity. He built you roads, because you are not capable. And even the UN banned any Hutu from its premises based in your city. Your airport is run by blackwater mecenary group. Your countryside is owned by alshabab. Your border regions are split between Ethiopiaand Kenya, respectively.

You see my Hutu friend. What ever the case with Berbera. You have far bigger fish to fry, would you agree?

[X.Playa]

What happened to the quotation feature? Now it only copies the text and leaves out the poster!

Its very confusing finding out who Skywalker is replying to.

[original dervish]

I don't blame the iidoors for signing any crappy deal they're offered.
After thirty years of nothing.......anything looks good.

[random1234567]

Loool

Desperate is your government that's being kept alive on live support by the international community. Somaliland is not desperate. It has found a business opportunity with a willing partner to improve its position, both internally and externally. The UAE likewise sees a from committed willing business partner it can do business with. Granted a few spoilers exist in both Somaliland and outside Somaliland. However, the great majority of Somalilands people and even good natured Somalis understand, a new and improved berbera port is good for the horn in general. The SFG donor government, may or may not have a problem with Somaliland advancing its interests. That's not surprising as the have been unable to advance there own courses and only there pockets.

It definitely isn't a good deal, and it definitely is desperate. Firstly, on your aid point, Somaliland is actually in need of aid. They get the most droughts in Somalia and are in a much worse situation. The violent areas in the South have a greater standard of living which actually says quite a lot. The UAE doesn't see a good partner, they see a semi autonomous state which is willing to accept any deal which looks as though it would grant them legitimacy and become recognised to any degree(a small one if any). The port is clearly gonna be Emirate owned with only a little bit of regional influence. Anyway, the UAE knows that this is temporary. When the capital stabilises, they'll have to deal with the actual government.

Again, you need to learn the difference between, a, your own personal wishes, and reality. Now, you can make stupendous claims by comparing a relatively poor, yet stable region, with some formal governance , to a conflict zone with no rule of law, routine killings, terrorism and half the 3rd worlds armies stationed in it. The reality however is the total opposite to your fantasy claims. The Hutu brain may find all this killings and conflict "grater standard of living" but to any normal human being, this is not a high standard of living. Lol

What's hurting your Hutu soul is that we have achieved everything by ourselves, whilst you are being treated like a mental patient by the international community. The UAE did not come to us like some Jesus like saviour as Erdogan did whilst visiting your refugee camps. He gave a hospital as charity and couldn't even trust you to run it. He took over your port because you Hutu chimps will loot the place at the first opportunity. He built you roads, because you are not capable. And even the UN banned any Hutu from its premises based in your city. Your airport is run by blackwater mecenary group. Your countryside is owned by alshabab. Your border regions are split between Ethiopiaand Kenya, respectively.

You see my Hutu friend. What ever the case with Berbera. You have far bigger fish to fry, would you agree?

Ad hominems, the language of an idiot. No need to say Hutu since we aren't in Rwanda. Whether you like it or not, we're the same country and ethnic group. And yes, I'm surprisingly not wrong. The relatively peaceful Somaliland receives many droughts. Much more than any other area in Somalia. As sad as it is, the Somalis in Somaliland aren't experiencing basic standards of living. Despite the fact that some areas, and I stress some, areas in the South are experiencing conflict, they are experiencing a much greater standard of living. I put this question to you. Somaliland hasn't experienced 20 years of conflict yet it's arguably the poorest state in Somalia. Why is that? People in Somaliland are living worse than people in Gambia yet you hold pride in it's peace? That should be embarrassing no? No conflict yet the people there can't be fed, sad.
All these problems in Mogadishu are justified. They suffered conflict for 20 years so of course problems like this would exist. Somaliland hasn't had anything as large scale as a 20 year conflict, so where is this development? To say the countryside is owned by Alshabab just shows that you're grasping at straws. You can't defend the fact that the UAE are using this region but eventually they'll have to actually negotiate with the legal government. Not only this but Somaliland is clearly desperate to accept this deal to gain recognition and legitimacy. Though this deal doesn't suggest that it will happen.

[FAH1223]

The UAE is so desperate.

Somaliland could have gotten a better deal. More development like building of roads and infrastructure. They should have invited the Chinese.

For a man who's chosen filed is politics you sure make very little sense.

Can you tell us;

1, What reasons you have for claiming the UAE is desperate?

2, Why you think the Chinese would be A, a better option for Somaliland and B, be interested in acquiring Berbera port?

3, How Somaliland could have gotten a better deal? This by the way applies to every single deal that's ever been done. But you tell us how it could have been done better. Do you have info to support your claim?

The UAE is running out of time. They are aggressively trying to diversify their economy with the dwindling reserves of oil they have. The 2008 crisis had to have Abu Dhabi bail out Dubai.

They are trying to control the flows of trade throughout the region. Dubai Port World is trying to get the monopoly permanent and taking over Berbera port is the first step as they take advantage of the short-sightedness of brain dead Somali politicians.

Everything that is shipped to Somalia has to stop in Dubai ports and everything that is bought from sofas to fridges we just buy from them to avoid shipping hassle. Think of all the money they've been making off us all these years. And you start to understand their psyche.

Why do I believe the Chinese are better? Because they along with the Turks actually provide something tangible for the use of land. They help develop the place. Djibouti/Ethiopia are examples of that. Now, I don't think China would be interested as they are stickler for the international order and would deal with Mogadishu first and they value stability.

And Somaliland would have gotten a better deal WITHOUT DOING A DEAL. This is just signing off your port to a country that is not going to provide you with anything. They give a few million bucks. Big fukking deal.

[AwRastaale]

Dubai never had oil for your information nor is UAE reliant on oil.

Looks like your clueless about the region and decided to come out because Farmajo is a family friend.

Oil only contributes 30% of UAE GDP at present and that will be reduced to only 20% in the next 5-10 years. Oil is from Abu Dhabi.

DP World is global contender and if its business wasn't innovative and tangible it wouldn't be operating so many international ports. It is the third largest port operator innthe world. That means it only has to swallow up two other bigger fishes.

The port is great deal.

Before China saw Djibouti the light was lit by DP World. Without DP Djibouti would not be where it is today.

Now watch DP make another great projects in SL and Eritrea.

[Futurist]

And Somaliland would have gotten a better deal WITHOUT DOING A DEAL. This is just signing off your port to a country that is not going to provide you with anything. They give a few million bucks. Big fukking deal.

This is nonsense.

Firstly China will not deal with Somaliland. It never has and it never will. That's its foreign policy.

As for the UAE deal we will have to see what the details look like. We don't know the details at this point. Somaliland can only benefit from this the way that I see it, assuming it gets investments in key infrastructure. At the moment the revenue from Berbera port is consumed on day to day government expenditure. The government of SL has shown that it is incapable or unwilling to invest in large scale infrastructure. So if a third party will investment in the power, airport, roads and power generation it is a massive improvement.

If you oppose this deal then have the courtesy to also oppose the countless deals that were done in Mogadishu.

[Xildiiid]

^
He won't.

His Hutu bias came out strong.

[FAH1223]

And Somaliland would have gotten a better deal WITHOUT DOING A DEAL. This is just signing off your port to a country that is not going to provide you with anything. They give a few million bucks. Big fukking deal.

This is nonsense.

Firstly China will not deal with Somaliland. It never has and it never will. That's its foreign policy.

As for the UAE deal we will have to see what the details look like. We don't know the details at this point. Somaliland can only benefit from this the way that I see it, assuming it gets investments in key infrastructure. At the moment the revenue from Berbera port is consumed on day to day government expenditure. The government of SL has shown that it is incapable or unwilling to invest in large scale infrastructure. So if a third party will investment in the power, airport, roads and power generation it is a massive improvement.

If you oppose this deal then have the courtesy to also oppose the countless deals that were done in Mogadishu.

The only good deal Mogadishu has done is with the Turks who have, you know, actually built shid there.

And of course China isn't going to go to Somaliland... they recognize One Somalia and have their diplomats in Xamar.

The UAE isn't going to do shid in Somaliland. Mark my words. All they want to do is monopolize the flow of trade in the Horn. They were pissed off with the Mogadishu port business.

[Futurist]

And Somaliland would have gotten a better deal WITHOUT DOING A DEAL. This is just signing off your port to a country that is not going to provide you with anything. They give a few million bucks. Big fukking deal.

This is nonsense.

Firstly China will not deal with Somaliland. It never has and it never will. That's its foreign policy.

As for the UAE deal we will have to see what the details look like. We don't know the details at this point. Somaliland can only benefit from this the way that I see it, assuming it gets investments in key infrastructure. At the moment the revenue from Berbera port is consumed on day to day government expenditure. The government of SL has shown that it is incapable or unwilling to invest in large scale infrastructure. So if a third party will investment in the power, airport, roads and power generation it is a massive improvement.

If you oppose this deal then have the courtesy to also oppose the countless deals that were done in Mogadishu.

The only good deal Mogadishu has done is with the Turks who have, you know, actually built shid there.

And of course China isn't going to go to Somaliland... they recognize One Somalia and have their diplomats in Xamar.

The UAE isn't going to do shid in Somaliland. Mark my words. All they want to do is monopolize the flow of trade in the Horn. They were pissed off with the Mogadishu port business.

We will have to see about UAE. But Mogadishu's deals with Turkey were good deals in the sense that it produced tangible results. Of course the financial flows relating to the Turkey-Mogadishu deals are beyond opaque, but the infrastructure is certainly there.

[FAH1223]

Dubai never had oil for your information nor is UAE reliant on oil.

Looks like your clueless about the region and decided to come out because Farmajo is a family friend.

Oil only contributes 30% of UAE GDP at present and that will be reduced to only 20% in the next 5-10 years. Oil is from Abu Dhabi.

DP World is global contender and if its business wasn't innovative and tangible it wouldn't be operating so many international ports. It is the third largest port operator innthe world. That means it only has to swallow up two other bigger fishes.

The port is great deal.

Before China saw Djibouti the light was lit by DP World. Without DP Djibouti would not be where it is today.

Now watch DP make another great projects in SL and Eritrea.

Dude.

I know oil is only a 1/3 of GDP. I'm saying, they are aggressively trying to diversify. The economic situation in the UAE longterm isn't good!

They're desperate. And beyond the money, they don't offer much else. No tangible development.