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hoa
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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paperino wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 2:34 pm
St8OuttaDirree wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 11:12 am There are more a lot of common words we share in Afan oromo and af-Somali.

i will give a little example, our numbers..

Takka - 1
Lama - 2
Sadi - 3
Afur - 4
Shan - 5
Ja'ha - 6
Torba - 7
Sadeet - 8
Sagal - 9
Qudan - 10.
1, 6, 7 and 10 don't seem similar. Oromo itself has a lot of Arabic vocabulary. Example:
Monday: dafinoo / ojja duree
Tuesday: facaasaa
Wednesday: roobii
Thursday: kamisa
Friday: jimaata
Saturday: sambata xinnaa / sambata duraa

Sunday: dilbata / sambata guddaa
http://ilanguages.org/oromo_vocabulary.php
Check the link, including fruits and vegetables.
How can you say torba doesn't sound like Somali 7 because of a few different letter's? Idiot. Oromo borrowed half of these words off Amharic. they share these proto words with Arabic.

Stop trying to make Somali sound like it's Arabic's identical twin language. Loanwords don't count, you look at cognates. The word for father in Arabic and Somali is an example of a cognate, Somali didn't borrow it off Arabic but they share this from a proto ancestor.

The quicker you start understanding this the smarter your arguments will become.
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 5:42 pm
hoa wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 4:43 pm

And you are saying the rest of Semitic languages are not close to Arabic at all?!

"انا ما ر أيتها
aniga maanan arkin ayada"

Sorry but this isn't how similarities work. The things you listed simply are not similarities,they just sound the same. You are ignoring the deeper similarities other languages have with Arabic and concentrating on your story.
Somali is closer to Cushitic languages.u

Compare the numbers, they are literally similar in every sub language group.

The root r-ʾ-y ر ء ي means 'see/show' in Arabic. Not our root, other Semitic languages have this root, not us.
You are making a lot of assumptions that I never stated. Just because I said Somali is a Semitic language, it does not mean that it is closer in relation than other Semitic languages to Arabic.

I personally believe that Somali is a very old Semitic language.

Also having the same or similar words for numbers means nothing in terms of relation. They may just be loan words, which is not surprising considering our location. That is even after the fact that I have not studied the numbers and counting system of south Semitic languages like Mahra and Harasis.

Oromo does not even have certain sounds like ع or ح. But I do not speak the language, hence I cannot explain how similar it is to Somali or Arabic.

What I listed sound the same and have the same approximate meaning. In what world is this not evidence of a relation?

The funny thing is that the entire Somali language is like this. Which is why I said it is mind blowing how similar it is to Arabic.
Somali is ancient Semitic language because look
I listened to a Mahra poem
it mentioned a The word Ebbe. By the help of Mahra friend in Yemen
Ebbe in Mahra means God.
In Somali Ebbe means God too.

The word Ebbe is old very old, in Oromo since it is a Cushitc language it is goytaa.
Mankind calls unto God's name first, Ebbe is in Mahra and in Somali it is Ebbe.
,

See,

In terms of counting numbers is different, aff somali has changed through Islam.
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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hoa wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 3:13 pm
paperino wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 2:34 pm
St8OuttaDirree wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 11:12 am There are more a lot of common words we share in Afan oromo and af-Somali.

i will give a little example, our numbers..

Takka - 1
Lama - 2
Sadi - 3
Afur - 4
Shan - 5
Ja'ha - 6
Torba - 7
Sadeet - 8
Sagal - 9
Qudan - 10.
1, 6, 7 and 10 don't seem similar. Oromo itself has a lot of Arabic vocabulary. Example:
Monday: dafinoo / ojja duree
Tuesday: facaasaa
Wednesday: roobii
Thursday: kamisa
Friday: jimaata
Saturday: sambata xinnaa / sambata duraa

Sunday: dilbata / sambata guddaa
http://ilanguages.org/oromo_vocabulary.php
Check the link, including fruits and vegetables.
How can you say torba doesn't sound like Somali 7 because of a few different letter's? Idiot. Oromo borrowed half of these words off Amharic. they share these proto words with Arabic.

Stop trying to make Somali sound like it's Arabic's identical twin language. Loanwords don't count, you look at cognates. The word for father in Arabic and Somali is an example of a cognate, Somali didn't borrow it off Arabic but they share this from a proto ancestor.

The quicker you start understanding this the smarter your arguments will become.
in terms of days acc somali iS this
Ahad
Isiin Sunday
Talatho
Arba'o
Khamis
Jum'ah
Sabt saturday

Arabic
Al Ahad
Al ithniin
Al thulutha
Al Arbi'a
Al Khamis
Al jum'ah
As salt

Oromo
Monday: dafinoo / ojja duree
Tuesday: facaasaa
Wednesday: roobii
Thursday: kamisa
Friday: jimaata
Saturday: sambata xinnaa / sambata duraa

Sunday: dilbata / sambata guddaa

Also if you look into Amharic it doesn't share God to any other language of the Semitic tree
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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hoa wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 4:44 am
Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Wed May 17, 2017 4:31 am
hoa wrote: Tue May 16, 2017 6:04 pm

Somali is related to Arabic through one ancestor. Cushitic languages and Somali have a common ancestor, in which this ancestor has an ancestor that the ancestor of Semitic languages have.
That is how they are related.

Having similar numbers does mean something, none of the numbers Semitic languages have, Hebrew, Arabic, Amharic, etc. are borrowed off each other, all of these languages share these numbers from a proto-Semitic ancestor. Somali clearly shares it with a proto-Cushitic ancestor.

Now to your next point:
So what if Oromo doesn't have sounds like ع and ح??? Why does everyone always bring up this point. Phonology plays little when languages are classed into groups.

Do Spanish and Italian have the guttural French R? Why are they classed together.
Doesn't matter if a letter is pronounced differently, if the root is the same, it is similar. Heck even Hebrew doesn't have ع ق ح , why don't you contest this?

The Arabic root as I said, for 'to see' is r-'-y ر ء ي . I just done a quick lookup and the root for 'to see' in Tigrinya is r-'-y as well. This is what is similar. They literally have the same exact root, not a coincidence unlike our word for it.

'SEE' in Oromo is arkuu, what have you got to say about this........
For one Hebrew is a revived language hence it is not the same as the ancient variant.

As for Cushitic, I do not speak Oromo, but I do speak Somali and Arabic, hence why I know there is a deep similarity.

I for one suspect that Cushitic is just another form of south Semitic that migrated into the horn a long time ago, being influenced by various native Horn African languages present at the time, for example Omotic and Nilo Saharan.

However the so called Cushitic languages retain various amounts of their original purity, with Somali being among the purest.
Written Modern Hebrew is almost the same as Biblical Hebrew.

Well there I have given an example of arkaa being arkuu in Oromo, so instead of focusing just on Arabic, start to focus on the languages that are very similar to Somali first, rather than a language that's not even in the same group.

Cushitic is not Semitic at all, believe what you want but there are no similarities apart from a bunch of Arabic loanwords and some proto-AfroAsiatic words.
Religion is my p rofessionm I studied the old testament Hebrewthat we have today is not even close to he grew we had in Jesus's time. Let me bring a verse from the psalms of david.

In pslams 23 it says
A Psalms of David The Lord is my shepherd; I shall not want.

In Biblical Hebrew
מִזְמוֹר לְדָוִד: יְהוָה רֹעִי, לֹא אֶחְסָר.

In modern hebrew
מזמור דוד. יהוה הוא רועי; לא ארצה.

Some letters are missing
Some words gave changed and nowhere as near as to the Hebrew we have today.
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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Also look in biblical Hebrew David is
לְדָוִד

If you write down David in Mordern Hebrew it will become
דוֹד
Which automatically becomes uncle in Hebrew.
How indeed you are foolish.
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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ExSomalispotter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:53 am Also look in biblical Hebrew David is
לְדָוִד

If you write down David in Mordern Hebrew it will become
דוֹד
Which automatically becomes uncle in Hebrew.
How indeed you are foolish.
Somali is actually a modern form of ancient Hebrew, not the fake Yiddish mutant spoken in modern Isralie!

Most of what we have been taught to accept by the cadaan people is just complete hateful lies.

Literally all ancient Somali graves have the star of David placed on them. I believe we migrated from the Levant as Israelites, and genetics also links us to the Levant rather than southern Arabia.
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:39 pm Literally all ancient Somali graves have the star of David placed on them.
Any picture or video to corroborate the claim?
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Re: Somali and arabic language

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Gaashaanle1000 wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 5:39 pm
ExSomalispotter wrote: Sat Jul 01, 2017 4:53 am Also look in biblical Hebrew David is
לְדָוִד

If you write down David in Mordern Hebrew it will become
דוֹד
Which automatically becomes uncle in Hebrew.
How indeed you are foolish.
Somali is actually a modern form of ancient Hebrew, not the fake Yiddish mutant spoken in modern Isralie!

Most of what we have been taught to accept by the cadaan people is just complete hateful lies.

Literally all ancient Somali graves have the star of David placed on them. I believe we migrated from the Levant as Israelites, and genetics also links us to the Levant rather than southern Arabia.
Yes Yiddish has been mutated into the language but hoa, thinks it is the same as biblical Hebrew. I studied the old testament in Biblical Hebrew and it is no way as close to the Mordern day mutant Yiddish Hebrew.
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