Does the Subxaana Wa Tacaalaa hate the non muslims?

[Saar]

Gurey, please stop the dirty trick arabs invented when they r cornered ...ie only arabic speakers can fully understand the Holy Quran!
Quran says that its writen in clear words.

There is a methodology to studying and interpreting the quran, fluency in arabic alone is not enough. Tafsir is a whole science and require intensive study.
The quran cannot be translated , and you cannot make a ruling or judgement by reading a few ayat here and there.

The quran is the direct word of the creator, a translation is what some human thinks is the best approximation of the meaning .

So no tricks here, if you want to attack the quran go ahead, it the lawx almaxfud and immune to all attempts by man.

I would suggest use of the hadith, this is also human hands and there is allot of room for mischief there,

Spoken like true Mulsim classist. You should be all equal under Allah no? The quran is a 'mercy' from allah, a 'perfect' book with a timeless message for ALLL mankind. If a methodological approach was required it wouldnt have been send down to an illiterate Sheppard but rather to a scholar.

[Basra-]

Abdiwahab

Bilal Philips is not as interesting as Mufti menk or Yasir qadhi! Philips---will appeal to a sector of muslims ie adoon Africans but no more. I like Mufti and Yasir. Mufti for his strong voice and he is funny. Yasir for his PhD Fiqhi !



bareerto aka gurey25


xplaya aka Saar------I don't know what sort of bi polar games u people r playing but I want no part of it!

[gurey25]

Have you ever translated anything, a story or even a joke, from one langauge to another.
sometime the catch line of a joke cannot be translated , many ideas and concepts are dificult to translate from one language to another, but you know that.

you are asking why you with little knowledge or understanding cannot just use the translation of the quran and come to my own conclusions as i please.

The problem is the text you are basing your views on is not gods word.
its the best a human translator can do.

A methadological appraoch is need when one wants to be an expert and have the authority to make judgments and rulings and even attempt to answer metaphysical or spiritual matters.
You wouldnt go to your barber to fix your tooth ache would you? you would go to a dentist that went to dental school and is qualified.

[Saar]

Have you ever translated anything, a story or even a joke, from one langauge to another.
sometime the catch line of a joke cannot be translated , many ideas and concepts are dificult to translate from one language to another, but you know that.

you are asking why you with little knowledge or understanding cannot just use the translation of the quran and come to my own conclusions as i please.

The problem is the text you are basing your views on is not gods word.
its the best a human translator can do.

A methadological appraoch is need when one wants to be an expert and have the authority to make judgments and rulings and even attempt to answer metaphysical or spiritual matters.
You wouldnt go to your barber to fix your tooth ache would you? you would go to a dentist that went to dental school and is qualified.

Yes actually i have.

Im not denying that the quran looses some meaning in translation but it's not all lost. Nice try. The essence of the statement and the meaning the author is trying to convey can be captured.

The OP's question wasnt metaphysical or spiritual. It was simple. Does allah hate the non believers. The answers is yes according to his own words he more than hates them.

For some it's an exclusive scholarly work with technical and scholarly language that only a select few could understand.For most, this is the word of Allah for ALL mankind as dictated to the illerate sheppard prophet Mohamed. It's universal appeal to ALL mankind is what makes it divine.

But what you are saying is that this is an exclusive book (ie NOT divine) for only arabic speakers that can only and truly be understood through a strict methodological approach by an arabic muslim scholar. Close enough, its a coded book of arabic witchcraft.

[Saar]

xplaya aka Saar------I don't know what sort of bi polar games u people r playing but I want no part of it!

Shut up Basra, You're a disgrace to Somalis and Muslims everywhere

And why are you calling a black muslim adoon as an insult. You are all adoons of your arab god and arabs. You think you're better than him and closer to allah? You old pathetic hypocrite.

[Shirib]

If he hated them he wouldn't have blessed them with all that they have. He is Al Rahmaan and Al Rahiim and willing to forgive all if only you repent.

But if after everything Allah has given them and blessed them with they continue to disbelief and rebel and stick their nose in arrogance to the almighty then he gives them warning of a fire who's fuel is man and bone.

[Basra-]

xplaya aka Saar------I don't know what sort of bi polar games u people r playing but I want no part of it!

Shut up Basra, You're a disgrace to Somalis and Muslims everywhere

And why are you calling a black muslim adoon as an insult. You are all adoons of your arab god and arabs. You think you're better than him and closer to allah? You old pathetic hypocrite.

Saar@looool


Adoon is not an insulting word. It simply means---belonging to the negroid or bantu race. Its not a bad thing. It does not say slave. It is no secret that adoons brain function in a very lower level than none adoons!

[Saar]

xplaya aka Saar------I don't know what sort of bi polar games u people r playing but I want no part of it!

Shut up Basra, You're a disgrace to Somalis and Muslims everywhere

And why are you calling a black muslim adoon as an insult. You are all adoons of your arab god and arabs. You think you're better than him and closer to allah? You old pathetic hypocrite.

Saar@looool


Adoon is not an insulting word. It simply means---belonging to the negroid or bantu race. Its not a bad thing. It does not say slave. It is no secret that adoons brain function in a very lower level than none adoons!

Aodon as used in southern somalis vernacular actually has a lot of disgusting connotation and is often directed at the non somali blacks that live with you as an insult. You know this this. Since we're on the subject of brain function did you know belief in allah shuts down medial frontal cortex of the brain, Y'all are basically brain dead like the zombies in all the zombies movies. Espcially you Basra

In the eyes of Allah no man/woman is less,he created you all equally right? Of course didnt he is an arab creation after all. Stop being racist.

[Basra-]

Saar@loool


I am confused. How can u renounce God as believing goes, and then praise God being fair in promoting equality in his human/creations. SO basically your beef is with Arabs, not GOd? If that is so---I am with u---Arabs are the least favorite race of mine. The ONLY thing I like about arabs is because our beloved prophet peace be upon him comes from them!

[Saar]

If he hated them he wouldn't have blessed them with all that they have. He is Al Rahmaan and Al Rahiim and willing to forgive all if only you repent.

But if after everything Allah has given them and blessed them with they continue to disbelief and rebel and stick their nose in arrogance to the almighty then he gives them warning of a fire who's fuel is man and bone.

He didnt bless them with anything lol, he hates them and continuously threatens them in his book

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"


Revealed during the battle of badr, first battle between muslims and non muslims. This is the genesis of islam, war and subjugation of the disbelievers.

They dont care and openly carry on in their Kafiir ways like they have been for 1438 yrs.

They are not sticking their nose in arrogance, they are simply unconcerned about the empty threats of an arab god.

You guys are the arrogant ones actually. You come to their lands and talk all this shit about them

[Basra-]

Saar

I think u r being disingenuous. Like u say--the Surah was revealed during battle of badr---so it was relevant to the battle but not Allaah's belief of disbelievers in general. In essence Allaah saw sent the surah for these specific idol worshipers who were the aggressors towards the peaceful loving muslims. There is another Surah--Qul yaa "ayyuha al-kafiruna -Lakuum diini yakumm----which explicitly instructs muslims to leave other religions (disbelievers according to Islam) alone! To leave them alone. Surely---u see the difference here? In fact, during the early Caliphate---Caliphate Umar ibn Khataab to be precise encourage the co existence of many religions. There is a mosque in Israel where Umaar Raadiyallaahu aanhu wrote a declaration treaty of peace which still exists in the mosque.


Saar---u r acting exactly the way the idol worshipers were acting during the revelations. Argumentative, arrogant and passive PC aggressive!

[Saar]

Saar@loool


I am confused. How can u renounce God as believing goes, and then praise God being fair in promoting equality in his human/creations. SO basically your beef is with Arabs, not GOd? If that is so---I am with u---Arabs are the least favorite race of mine. The ONLY thing I like about arabs is because our beloved prophet peace be upon him comes from them!

You think im praising him? lol You know they say lack of understanding sarcasm is connected with low brain functionality...we keep going back to this basra.

Girl there is an entire thread of you attempting to align Somalis with the vile quraish arabs, you wish you were arab.

Walaal i know that you are under heavy programming and like i said before i dont expect you to think objectively. The minute you were born until now all you ever knew and practiced was Islam. This is wasnt your fault but try to cultivate an open mind and see the world beyond the confines you were put in.

And stop being racist, that's haraam girl.

[Basra-]

Saar

There is no evil or downside in "Aligning" myself or Somalis with the Darwadiish Quraaish of bin Hashim! Absolutely no shame in it. Because it is the tribe of our prophet. PBUH. There is no denying we share DNA with arabs--however miniscule it is. We are grateful because through them we have gained Islam. And there is nothing to be ashamed of it.

The "heavy programming" u talk about is--my imaan being nurtured and perfected --Inshallaaah! I am sorry to say that---after being born a muslim, being so lucky u chose to be Godless. That is very sad indeed. For your soul, for your mother, and father in a small amount.


I am not a racist. I am a realist. God created hierarchy of race. That is Gods right! I have no doubt---White race stands at the top food of the chain as far as race ladder is concerned. Unfortunately--adoons are at the bottom. This view has not changed in my view despite my imaan growing. The only difference is---I know the nuances now. Hierarchy A and B

A - is for geonology. Which includes brain, looks, ete etc


B involves those are muslims---are superior race. Islam unites the Whites and the Adoons and makes them both equally superior.



ALlaah saw gave me brains to think. And I am thinking. But I am also believing, and that is my right!

[bumps]

Basra something is wrong with your brain. If whites and Blacks are both equally superior in Islam , then why did you call the Africans/Black 'adoon' ?

I don't know what you are trying to prove

[Saar]

Saar

I think u r being disingenuous. Like u say--the Surah was revealed during battle of badr---so it was relevant to the battle but not Allaah's belief of disbelievers in general. In essence Allaah saw sent the surah for these specific idol worshipers who were the aggressors towards the peaceful loving muslims. There is another Surah--Qul yaa "ayyuha al-kafiruna -Lakuum diini yakumm----which explicitly instructs muslims to leave other religions (disbelievers according to Islam) alone! To leave them alone. Surely---u see the difference here? In fact, during the early Caliphate---Caliphate Umar ibn Khataab to be precise encourage the co existence of many religions. There is a mosque in Israel where Umaar Raadiyallaahu aanhu wrote a declaration treaty of peace which still exists in the mosque.


Saar---u r acting exactly the way the idol worshipers were acting during the revelations. Argumentative, arrogant and passive PC aggressive!

Peaceful loving muslims?

"I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

What kinda god of a peaceful loving people talks like this? lol

There are hundreds of verses that call muslims to war against the non believers.

Quran is for all people at all times, You cant pick and choose which verses were for a specific people at a specific time and which are universal and timeless. They are all universal and timeless and a reflection of Mohamed's bloodthirst and conquest at the time of revelation.

Besides, if that's the case then the quran is full contradictions there's no compulsion in religion yet

"As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."


You are acting like a confused westernized moderate muslim who doesnt know her religion and can only regurgitate the same refuted points about context and peaceful muslims she's been spoonfed her whole life. Girl try it with someone who has been muslim and practicing and knowledgeable.

I dont worship idols and there's nothing wrong with idol worship lol. During revalation christianity, judaism and other pagan beliefs were already being practice in mecca and medina before johnny come lately and his bloody sword appeared.