Ethiopian and Western propagandist for the Ogadeen narrative, in the Hawd region against the Isaaq.

[balwarama]

Horta mid baaba jirta. Gaal ingiriisa oo carrada yimid hilaaddii 1830madii wuxuu qorayaa in dhulka carrada cas oo dhan Ogaadeenku degan yahay. Wuxuu kaloo sheegayaa in afka dooxada Nugaal laga bilaabo ilaa webi shabeele daantiisa ay carro Ogaadeen tahay, xoolaha iyo dadkuna ay aad ugu badan yihiin. Laakiin Daroor haba kayaabin, 1940skii dhowaa carro Ogaadeen maba ahayn.

[balwarama]

Kaliil waxaan ku waydiinayaa ma reer Caynaanshaa tahay?

[kaliil]

Balwarama sxb maya reer caynaashe ma Ahi laakiin sugule caynaashe ayaa i dhalay.waxan ahay qolo baho ismaaciil la yidhaahdo reer hawdna waanu nahay.adigu ogadenka yaad ka tahay?

[balwarama]

Anigu reer Caynaanshahaa reer ay isu dhigmaan aadna u xididi jireen baan ahay. Waxaan ahay reer Ugaas Magan oo reer Ugaas kasii ah. Reer Sugule waxay isu dhigmaan laandheerahanaga reer Dalal Ugaas Magan. Baha Caynaanshoo kalana waan leenahayoo Baha Magan ayaan anaguba leenahay. Lkn si aad u fahanto aan kugu sheege Maxamed Subeer reer Cabdile baan ahay

[kaliil]

Anigu reer Caynaanshahaa reer ay isu dhigmaan aadna u xididi jireen baan ahay. Waxaan ahay reer Ugaas Magan oo reer Ugaas kasii ah. Reer Sugule waxay isu dhigmaan laandheerahanaga reer Dalal Ugaas Magan. Baha Caynaanshoo kalana waan leenahayoo Baha Magan ayaan anaguba leenahay. Lkn si aad u fahanto aan kugu sheege Maxamed Subeer reer Cabdile baan ahay

Waan gartay sxb,,nin laandheere ah baad tahay.ilaa imika reer caynaashe iyo reer cabdile aad bay u kala guursadaan.

[balwarama]

Reer kiina laftiisu ciyaar ma aha Issaqu waa Habaryoonis iyo baabah, dad iyo dal ba! Takale mid ba la ogaadayoo ninba ninkuu ka waran galsanyahay wuu ka gobsan yahay. Garxajisku Iidoorka kale, ka gobsan kana Soomaalisan.

[metamorphosis]

Your daddie, aka the british, have extensive documentation of the nature of the ogaden, both in the north and in the south.
isaq never ventured out of berbera and hargaysa, while subclans of ogaden went all the way to the border of tanzania.

It is simple, if you have no ogaden, all somali people have left is proper somalia(including somaliland ). We expanded the somali territories, and we don't expect anyone to clap for us.


Ogaden=ultimage expansionist clan.

We haven't moved an inch despite being under 100 year Ethiopian(Western sponsored) prosecution. The eydoors would have batched and backed their bags by now.

[X.Playa]

The Ogaden , have always claimed to be the victims of colonial powers. Their narrative is simple , that they were ardent nationalist , who both opposed the Ethiopian and the British and Italians . Their second claim is that the Isaaq in the Hawd region was brought in by the British and before the British these regions were Ogaden regions. Now thats their mythology or narrative , reality is completely different. I have so far read all the materials of the pro-Ogaden narrative expert/writers or researchers.

1- Cedric Barnes ( American? or British)
2- John Markakis ( Scandinavian)
3- Gufu Oba ( Kenyan)
4- and one Ethiopian. cant recall his book , but i will find it.

Most of them follow the original Ogaden narrative popularized by John Markakis whom in 1981 wrote " The Ishaq-Ogaden dispute..." basically putting the Ogaden narrative in print and pass it as a research. His recent books among them Ethiopia: The Last Two Frontiers basically follow the same Ogaden narative from his 1981 paper. The rest of the above researchers , basically followed his initial conclusion , that " the poor dark Ogadens were the victims of Britain and Isaaq''".

They conflate two issues , first Hawd the traditional Isaaq rainy season grazing lands from time immemorial with the post Dervish invasion of Ogadeen land Doollo by the Isaaq , the raid of Haji Waraabe in October 1920 , that crushed the dervish and settled Isaaq in the heart of the Ogadeen country. Doollo and Hawd are two different things.

In 1935 emperor Heila Selassi met with the Ogaden clan and their various cheifs. Requesting from the Ogaden to fight along the Ethiopian colonial troops against the Italian invasion. The Ogaden accepted Heila Selassie request on one condition, the Ogaden chief and spoke person Gerad Makhtal Gerad Dahir said:

" If its wished Somalis become a sincere friend of the Abyssinian , then the English subjects should be obliged to move out of the Ogaden immediately

Ethiopia the last two frontiers, page .142.

Meaning we will collaborate with the colonial Ethiopians , that kill Ogadens , rape ogadens and robb ogadens , if only the Ethiopian kick the the Isaaq out of " our land".

to be continued.

You're one hate filled Tumaal.Listen ,whats your source of Gerad Makhtal biography? Or this one of your many irrelevant snet propaganda?

Hawd was always shared and u don't control any of the seven famous traditional boreholes of Dollo.Your poor habarYonis were pushed out of Doollo into the north of Danood.

Bring acceptable academic source that says all that u mentioned about Garaad Maktal AUN or this confirms to be another cuqdad ridden gibberish from the sickest Eyduur gaal ever.waiting for your sources

Buffoon had you read all the books and articles i quoted above , you would have seen my sources , how hard is that little son of a single mother?

[X.Playa]

Garaad Makhtal has never changed his mind until his last breath. It is well known by everybody. Garaad Makhtal was the leader of the Somali Galbeed delegation at the gathering of all Somalis in Mogadishu for the meeting of the UN security council members.
Suldaan Cabdilaahi Diiriye was also opposed to the British control of all the Somaliland's because he never trusted the Brits like his father. I heard the latter part from the oldest Iidoor living, a very sensible man if you ask me, Cabdi Waraabe. Cabdi Waraabe said he was part of the Suldaans delegates that attended the same meeting representing beelaha woqooyi a.k.a Iidoor

Bring the source when engaging in debates , we cant just post and present Daarood mafrish chatter as history. Makhtal Dahir from 1950-1962 was an Ethiopian stooge and collaborator. Thats almost the entire years of the quest for greater somalia.

Cabdi Waraabe is a local small time hassaler , he participated in not a single great event throughout his life besides been Afweyne Faqash loyalist and a snitch, with few of his clan armed fighting against the SNM . Any Isaaq who hold that snitch in esteem is himself a buffoon , only few of his Ciidagale sub clanns hold that snitch in esteem , the rest scorn his life long collaboration with the enemies.

[X.Playa]

Your daddie, aka the british, have extensive documentation of the nature of the ogaden, both in the north and in the south.
isaq never ventured out of berbera and hargaysa, while subclans of ogaden went all the way to the border of tanzania.

It is simple, if you have no ogaden, all somali people have left is proper somalia(including somaliland ). We expanded the somali territories, and we don't expect anyone to clap for us.


Ogaden=ultimage expansionist clan.

We haven't moved an inch despite being under 100 year Ethiopian(Western sponsored) prosecution. The eydoors would have batched and backed their bags by now.

Any reference for that load of dhuuso? If not then shut the fuck up.

[X.Playa]

xplaya, no proof we ever foguht on side of habashi, the people of Ogaden were betrayed bu brtiain, the colonial power,

I don't see any betrayal there unique to the Ogaden. The ogaden themselves rejected the Bevin plane of giving both three territory to the Somalis.

In fact it was none other Makhtal Dahir who rejected Bevin plane and sided with Ethiopia claiming the British plane is essentially an Isaaq scheme to rule the Ogaden.

So who betrayed who?

did you not read dude, it tells you there bevin succumbed to Soviet pressure in the UN, Ethiopia and Russia have always been allies, they supplied them the weapons menelik used since 1880s because waa same orthodox church,

Bevin gave in to pressure from the soviets and her allies, adn thus by 1954-58 Ogaden was out of British hands and into Ethiopian hands, betrayed by Britannia


also you keep saying garad Maqtal this and thast, can you bring proof? ironic you ask us proof, yet you make stuff up, war the NEW YORK TIMES was caling garad Maqtal AUN a fundamentalist in 1942 as he fought the Ethiopians and British before the British betrayed the land, the NY TImes was calling him the Sayid number 2, freeing his country,

sure haile was always trying to appease Ogaden and offered all things, but this is because he knew the problem we were causing for him, atleast we were men enough to fight and be willing to die for our land, whilst other tribes sat idly,

How Bevin succumbing to the league pressure is a betrayal to Ogaden who rejected his plan to begin with reasoning it will make Isaaq our masters??.

The Ogadeen collaborated with imperial Ethiopian, through out the years of Menelik , Ras Mekanus , queen Tauia, and Heila Selaasi. When Heila Salassi was in power in the 1930-1960s the Ogadeen were a loyal pet, they collaborated with the Ethiopians, they fought for Ethiopia against Italy and it always has been like that till the the 2nd war world concluded . Only then did the Ogaden motivated by the newly created SYL did the Ogaden sought independence from their Amahara masters. And even that was brief , by 1950 all the Ogadens were back in the bosom of thier Ethiopian masters , with the exception of sultan Bihi who joined Micheal Mariano's campaign for the Hawd and Rserve area.

[X.Playa]

. But he did not tell me about the rear caynaashe or reer suldaan diiriye how they took daroor. Remember daroor and gaashaamo were both lost prior to English colonialism. In 1870s

Khalid daroor waxa la qabsaday 1942 ragii qabsadayna waxay u badnaayeen reer sugule.daroor waxa loo yaqaanaa haro dhiig oo maalin keliya ayay ku dhinteen 100 nin oo habar yoonis ah iyo 200 ogaden ah.sidaad sheegtay gaashamo waxa la qabsaday 1870

1942 ninyow qaadkaaga iyo reer hebel nimadaada iyo xisbi xisxisbigaaga ku eekow.

[BestPlaya]

Your daddie, aka the british, have extensive documentation of the nature of the ogaden, both in the north and in the south.
isaq never ventured out of berbera and hargaysa, while subclans of ogaden went all the way to the border of tanzania.

It is simple, if you have no ogaden, all somali people have left is proper somalia(including somaliland ). We expanded the somali territories, and we don't expect anyone to clap for us.


Ogaden=ultimage expansionist clan.

We haven't moved an inch despite being under 100 year Ethiopian(Western sponsored) prosecution. The eydoors would have batched and backed their bags by now.

Any reference for that load of dhuuso? If not then shut the fuck up.

Why do you ignore the native version of history why do you have to deny the obvious and believe everything written by gaalo as an authentic and objective truth

OK,put on your eye glasses and read this iidoor monk


https://www.hiiraan.com/news2/2009/may/ ... turce.aspx

[BestPlaya]

Iidoor expanded into Darood territories during British Somaliland but the few villages in hawd cannot be compared to the The expansive land between the two rivers (River jubba and River Tana) that we conquered

Books are written about the Darood southern conquest or the holy Darood/OG invasion of Jubaland and Tanaland.this a link to a book called DAROOD INVASION .You can't have similar legacy langaab monk
http://www.worldcat.org/title/darod-inv ... c/31768901

[kaliil]

. But he did not tell me about the rear caynaashe or reer suldaan diiriye how they took daroor. Remember daroor and gaashaamo were both lost prior to English colonialism. In 1870s

Khalid daroor waxa la qabsaday 1942 ragii qabsadayna waxay u badnaayeen reer sugule.daroor waxa loo yaqaanaa haro dhiig oo maalin keliya ayay ku dhinteen 100 nin oo habar yoonis ah iyo 200 ogaden ah.sidaad sheegtay gaashamo waxa la qabsaday 1870

1942 ninyow qaadkaaga iyo reer hebel nimadaada iyo xisbi xisxisbigaaga ku eekow.

Sarkhaanyow Aniga daroor iiga warami maysid anigaa reer daroor ah.buurta gacanlibaax iyo buuraha kale muuse cabdale dego waad iiga warami kartaa laakiin haro digeed wakhtigii la qabsaday waxba kama ogid.daroor waxay ka mid ahayd meelihii ugu danbeeyey e habar yoonis ogaden ka qabsato.2006 markii habar yoonis iyo ciidagale daroor isku laayeen dadkii ergoda u yimi waxa ku jiray odayaal ogaden ahaa oo goobjoog ahaa markii habar yoonis daroor qabsaday 1942.